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computer touchers spend more time thinking about software licenses than normal people spend thinking about food, sex, and shelter combined
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Cat Face Joe posted:i don't know who they are or am unlikely to meet them whereas rms could spring from any appropriately sized pile of dirty rags well i mean yeah this is certainly true
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Cat Face Joe posted:i don't know who they are or am unlikely to meet them whereas rms could spring from any appropriately sized pile of dirty rags clean your room or rms will get ya!
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Dec 13, 2022 23:58
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rotor posted:no, why do you ask? without open source every computer user would need to program their own operating system
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without enforcement this will be difficult to bring those transitively responsible for harm to justice. under the JDPON, we'll
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i have only contributed to one open source project and its gpl 3 affagato or whatever to make it as unpleasant as possibe to anyone to use o7
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i opened a pr for some open source go library a couple years back to close an open issue that seemed simple. the maintainer made me agree to some CLA and then marked the pr as a breaking change and afaik it’s still open to this day
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carry on then posted:without enforcement this will be difficult to bring those transitively responsible for harm to justice. under the JDPON, we'll me and manny from the BSA just goin door to door with tire irons
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without open source every computer user would need to program their own operating system
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carry on then posted:without enforcement this will be difficult to bring those transitively responsible for harm to justice. under the JDPON, we'll The Junior Developers Party of Oppressed Noobs
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aw frig aw dang it posted:I think Ghost is just a boring rock band, op somebody call for an exterminator?
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The topic of today's business meeting is Tim J. Hudson, who was born again. What this means for us practically is that we need to roll our own openssl implementation, or we can give into his demands that we fire any employees who have ever had an abortion.
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Dec 14, 2022 02:57
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there is but one type of computer user, and that user is Richard stallman
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Dec 14, 2022 03:02
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RokosCockatrice posted:The topic of today's business meeting is Tim J. Hudson, who was born again. What this means for us practically is that we need to roll our own openssl implementation, or we can give into his demands that we fire any employees who have ever had an abortion. perhaps your business should … pay??? for the things it needs?? idk
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Dec 14, 2022 03:03
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rotor posted:Step One: stop releasing code under any open source licence. what about gpl
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Dec 14, 2022 03:19
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Let's be fair, the dozens of boutique business that sprouted up around the open sourcing of Stable Diffusion hadn't just not heard of google and openai's text-to-image, as-a-service apis. They took the open source Stable Diffusion project, built on top of it, and used it to walk away from otherwise soul crushing jobs to do passion projects full time.
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Dec 14, 2022 03:22
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fart simpson posted:what about gpl still doesnt address problems 1&3
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rotor posted:still doesnt address problems 1&3 dont help evil people & don treat open sores as a resume?
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Dec 14, 2022 03:23
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RokosCockatrice posted:Let's be fair, the dozens of boutique business that sprouted up around the open sourcing of Stable Diffusion hadn't just not heard of google and openai's text-to-image, as-a-service apis. They took the open source Stable Diffusion project, built on top of it, and used it to walk away from otherwise soul crushing jobs to do passion projects full time. ok that doesnt really address any of the issues in the manifesto but even if it did, come on, those aren’t passion projects theyre start ups
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fart simpson posted:dont help evil people & don treat open sores as a resume? yes
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rotor posted:yes are you saying i made a mistake publishing this to github http://deadfoxygrandpa.github.io/Beer/
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like if we’re just posting that’s cool but if we’re gonna have a real conversation about it you should probably read the thing
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Dec 14, 2022 03:34
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Free Software allowed my to quit the daily grind and pursue my own passion project: jerking off all day
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im just posting as i actually read through it
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fart simpson posted:im just posting as i actually read through it very good sir
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i actually think problem #1 should be the least important because its functionally impossible to entirely avoid it while still living in society. im not saying you should seek out ways to help zuck but everyone has to deal with the reality of it, not just software touchers. even a farmer's food might end up on jeff bozo's table or something. i think any solution that exists to that problem lies in not empowering people like that in society in the first place
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that is to say, i dont really see an example like inkscape being a real problem. i think stuff like that is probably good, on the whole
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I mean, the issue is with the revocable license. What's to say you and I agree on who the evil people are. What's to say that stays true ten, thirty years from now? There aren't alternatives to some of these open source projects, so my options are either live with a timebomb or, idk, openjdk the thing I need.
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Dec 14, 2022 03:54
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Make a spinoff of the GPL that only extends permissions to natural persons. Put some clauses in there saying you can't use it in the course of your employment, under direction from employer blah blah blah. Businesses have to purchase a licence from you. Problem. Solved. Forever. 
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Dec 14, 2022 04:01
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just write really bad software that no one else would want to use. problem solved,
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post hole digger posted:just write really bad software that no one else would want to use. problem solved, way ahead of you pal
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fart simpson posted:i actually think problem #1 should be the least important because its functionally impossible to entirely avoid it while still living in society. its actually pretty easy, its just hard to solve the problem with zero effort on the part of software authors. Just dont give your sofware away, problem solved.
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the only way anyone would ever want anything I ever made was if it was free, no one would ever pay for anything I created hence free software is necessary
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RokosCockatrice posted:I mean, the issue is with the revocable license. What's to say you and I agree on who the evil people are. we definitely dont have to agree quote:What's to say that stays true ten, thirty years from now? no one, thats why its important that its revokable. People change, on both sides. quote:There aren't alternatives to some of these open source projects, so my options are either live with a timebomb or, idk, openjdk the thing I need. Are they really your options? or are they your jobs options? but yeah its wild that we've built all this on volunteer work and I'd argue that its been an immense migration and concentration of wealth in the hands of very few because of it.
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Buck Turgidson posted:Make a spinoff of the GPL that only extends permissions to natural persons. Put some clauses in there saying you can't use it in the course of your employment, under direction from employer blah blah blah. Businesses have to purchase a licence from you. Problem. Solved. Forever. no but thanks for popping in
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rotor posted:its actually pretty easy, its just hard to solve the problem with zero effort on the part of software authors. Just dont give your sofware away, problem solved. yes its easy to solve in the narrow sense of, who can possible benefit from this specific project. but i dont see that as the real issue. presumably you still go to work for a company and produce things for a society which empowers all those people you dont want to help. if the guys writing inkscape have decided they value giving inkscape away so that a bunch of nerds can have fun making their crappy vector art outweighs the risk that an evil person might create some crappy vector art, they might be right
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Oh. So this is like a union-y thing.
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its easy in the sense of, contributing nothing of value to society solves all these same problems. just be a gutterpunk, its easy.
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the other 2 problems need to be solved with something like a software guild, idk
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I think as long as we all agree Affero GPL is the worst this will have been a productive discussion.
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