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PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Smythe posted:

pretty sure the autobots have always enslaved the decepticons although they (the decepticons) have indeed always been genocidal fascists as well... complicated politics....
I don't recall that from any of the 80s media.

Edit: what I remember from the comics was that Decepticons were descendents of the fascist original elder transformer so they were basically Transformer Slytherin.

PerniciousKnid has issued a correction as of 19:42 on Jan 15, 2023

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The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

megatron's alt mode is a walther p-38. the decepticons have always been facists, ultra magnus is a midget on stilts in a trenchcoat and there's an unironic cannonical crossover with mlp

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/My_Little_Pony/Transformers:_Friendship_in_Disguise!

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

most transformers toys are manufactured in vietnam which makes this the most communist thread in cspam

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

The Voice of Labor posted:

megatron's alt mode is a walther p-38. the decepticons have always been facists, ultra magnus is a midget on stilts in a trenchcoat and there's an unironic cannonical crossover with mlp

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/My_Little_Pony/Transformers:_Friendship_in_Disguise!

Also a bunch of deception consumer goods, very capitalist.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

PerniciousKnid posted:

I don't recall that from any of the 80s media.

Edit: what I remember from the comics was that Decepticons were descendents of the fascist original elder transformer so they were basically Transformer Slytherin.

Cartoon transformers were created by cyborg squids as as consumer goods to sell on the intergalactic market. They had a military caste and a civilian caste. They both worked together, led by the first Prime to overthrow the squids and then fell into civil war.

Later on it's retconned that the squids were merely enacting the divine will of the Robot God.

Marvel transformers evolved from a series of naturally occurring levers and gears in an analog form of natural selection untill they got retconned to be direct creations of the Robot God.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Yeah the 'Autobots enslaved the Decepticons' bit doesn't really come from anywhere in the canons

The IDW comics and the general 'Aligned' continuity based stuff (including Prime and War For/Fall Of Cybertron) did have Optimus (as Orion Pax) and Megatron be revolutionaries who both fought to overthrow the previous lovely caste-based status quo and shared correspondence until Megatron went full fash and Orion Pax dug up the Matrix of Leadership (funny thing, Orion Pax is explicitly a different person from Optimus Prime, the latter being a manifestation of the gestalt consciousness of the Matrix that includes him)

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

such heroic nonsense

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

The Voice of Labor posted:

such heroic nonsense



russia and ukraine :smith:

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

the decepticon ranks harbor nazi mad scientists

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scalpel_(ROTF)

the autobots would never allow their scientists to perform immoral experiments

*wheeljack rushes in*

"hey prime, I just made some huge violent mindless robotic dinosaur terrors wanna see?"

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

ghost-based laws of succession

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
They ever do an all transformers Macbeth

NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

The Voice of Labor posted:

the decepticon ranks harbor nazi mad scientists

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Scalpel_(ROTF)

the autobots would never allow their scientists to perform immoral experiments

*wheeljack rushes in*

"hey prime, I just made some huge violent mindless robotic dinosaur terrors wanna see?"

Lol I just learned from the site that they novelized the transformers movies

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
i think every movie gets a novelization by default now

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Crusader posted:

ghost-based laws of succession



Talking consumer good is haunted by the ghost of Amazon Prime.

NeatHeteroDude posted:

Lol I just learned from the site that they novelized the transformers movies

Lol I only knew about the comic book.

Edit: I'm guessing that was a UK story?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cuttlefush posted:

i think every movie gets a novelization by default now

I've read the novelisation of the Super Mario Bros movie

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I've read the novelisation of the Super Mario Bros movie

how was it

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

Crusader posted:

ghost-based laws of succession



wasn’t expecting freaking destro lol

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Colonel Cancer posted:

They ever do an all transformers Macbeth

kinda hard since for the most part they don't have fathers

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
Which one was the atheist who didn't believe in robot ghosts and Gods??

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

War and Pieces posted:

Which one was the atheist who didn't believe in robot ghosts and Gods??

Best I can come up with is Ben Wattkins.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cuttlefush posted:

how was it

Pretty much a description of the movie, which is a fever dream

It's got a really shiny fancy cover and I was extremely bored in the high school library

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

desantis, trump and even jeb! shall kneel in the primaries before the might of megatron

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Colonel Cancer posted:

They ever do an all transformers Macbeth

Starscream going through a car wash repeatedly while shouting "out drat spot!"

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

megatron's platform of enhanced energy extraction and obedience and loyalty to megatron is getting him a lot of support in right wing circles

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Talking recently with several Decepticons, I found that the dominant concern among those arriving in Cybertron was to go to
bed with a female Autobot. As soon as their ships docked in the space port, they were off to the brothels. Once this ritual of initiation
into “authentic” robothood had been fulfilled, they took the train for Iacon.

NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

I'd like to be the one that can turn into a jet because otherwise you're sort of just stuck on the ground or, god forbid, the ocean

Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010

all the transformers can fly. even the ones who can’t turn into planes.

NeatHeteroDude
Jan 15, 2017

Ringo Roadagain posted:

all the transformers can fly. even the ones who can’t turn into planes.

??? Really?

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

Ringo Roadagain posted:

all the transformers can fly. even the ones who can’t turn into planes.

Just the decepticons can fly in robot mode.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Ringo Roadagain posted:

all the transformers can fly. even the ones who can’t turn into planes.

This is unsettling

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Just the decepticons can fly in robot mode.

And only in G1

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Cromulent_Chill posted:

Just the decepticons can fly in robot mode.

Except the cartoon pilot where the autobots can also fly, except at the end I think Optimus still borrows a jetpack from somebody (Sideswipe?) which I think is basically the guy's back but whatever, so basically just imagine whatever you want.

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

the reboot of beast wars will feature mammoricons and cloacons

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Oglethorpe posted:

the reboot of beast wars will feature mammoricons and cloacons

And the war over boobs vs butts opens another front

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Oglethorpe posted:

the reboot of beast wars will feature mammoricons and cloacons

Transformers have one hole for poop and pee but they rotate it front or back appropriately so it's not weird.

When they go to the restroom they transform into the gender with the shortest line, that's why 99% of them look like men.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
They pee used engine oil and poo poo nuclear waste, do NOT let transmorphers
Into your bathroom

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

NeatHeteroDude posted:

I'd like to be the one that can turn into a jet because otherwise you're sort of just stuck on the ground or, god forbid, the ocean

in which NHD confesses his secret desire to be a cartoon villain

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

War and Pieces posted:

in which NHD confesses his secret desire to be a cartoon villain

I'd rather just have a transforming vehicle like Miles Mayhem, myself. Being a robot sounds like a pain.

Edit: Not Switchblade though it sucks.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
If I ever get to rewrote transformers I'm going to make the boats into the baddies to represent the perfidiousness of EurooAmerican maritime empires

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Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010

PerniciousKnid posted:

Except the cartoon pilot where the autobots can also fly, except at the end I think Optimus still borrows a jetpack from somebody (Sideswipe?) which I think is basically the guy's back but whatever, so basically just imagine whatever you want.

okay that explains things. I recently rewatched the 3 part pilot on youtube and was surprised they could all fly but just figured it was something I had forgotten.

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