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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2NzusLAqk

Poker Face is a new mystery series on Peacock created by acclaimed filmmaker who has definitely never made a divisive movie ever no sir Rian Johnson, recently responsible for the Benoit Blanc flicks, and starring Natasha Lyonne as Natasha Lyo-Charlie Cale, a casino worker who for Reasons goes on the run and ends up coming across various murder mysteries to solve. Charlie has a supernatural ability to tell whether or not someone is lying, but isn't given any more details, leading to much sleuthing and various japes. One of the main draws of the show is that it marks a return to almost entirely episodic TV - aside from Lyonne and Benjamin Bratt as the guy after her, there are no other recurring characters, with a completely new cast and case every week, ala Columbo.

Johnson's pedigree and the fact they only have to do one episode means the ten-episode first season has a pretty wild array of guest stars, such as Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Chloe Sevigny, Adrien Brody, Hong Chau, Ron Perlman, RHEA Perlman, Tim Meadows, Jameela Jamil, Nick Nolte, Clea DuVall, Tim Blake Nelson, Ellen Barkin, Luis Guzman, Stephenie Hsu, and many more!!!!!

The first four episodes of Poker Face are available on Peacock now, with a new episode dropping every Thursday (what a concept).

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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
I figure for this first week we should use spoiler tags and specify which episode you’re talking about beforehand, but from next week onwards just treat it like a normal weekly thread and lose the tags.

Episode 1: a slow but real good start with some fantastic shots (Steve Yedlin GOAT) and really fun lines. The main point is, of course, to introduce us to Charlie as a character, and she’s great! Definitely someone who I want to follow through various hijinks. The actual storyline isn’t so hot and perhaps too focused on making sure we understand Charlie’s ability, becoming a little over-expository, but it does the job of setting the series as a whole up nicely and the climactic moments are fuckin great, especially that excellent Brody suicide shot. I enjoyed the more measured pacing and hope that continues.

Gonna try and spread these episodes out a little but we’ll see how that pans out.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008
Oh wow this show is incredible, just finished E01 and E02, didn't realise four dropped at once, can't wait to watch the rest, really hope this show does well.

I love the extended run times and the throwback to episode of the week TV. The format really lets the characters and stories breathe and its all filmed so beautifully and with great character actors I could watch this forever. I could do without the serialised aspect at all, I presume at some point she becomes a full time PI, randomly running into murders seems like it would quickly get old.

Smallest of griped for E01/E02: Some of the clues are a bit too heavy-handed. I'm thinking the thing with the gun and the metal detector would have been better if the camera didn't focus on both the gun being taken away and the metal detector for so long, and similarly the scratch-card serial number bit was way over explained, I'd prefer a bit cleverer solutions.

But overall I love this show. I enjoyed the Knives Out films but this is by far my favourite thing from him, much prefer the smaller more realistic slice of life scale to this than Knives Out's campy larger than life-ness. After that and this I'm craving some good classic detective stuff and I've never seen anything, any suggestions? I know Colombo is the main influence and the first one I'll check out.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008

Escobarbarian posted:

RHEA Perlman

I guess we are getting a bit of a Cheers re--union with Ratzenberger in Ep 2. He was great in his part, I wouldn't have recognised him these days if not for the voice.

Pan Dulce
Jan 4, 2011

Beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure



This was really good! I caught up on all the episodes that released today, but it's episode three that was my favorite, mainly because it works around Texas barbeque and I got so hungry, I actually got to eat Texas barbeque right after. Episode four has Chloe Sevigne and she looks perfect as an aged rock star has-been. I don't know if it was her voice for Sucker Punch and Staplehead, but it was catchy as hell!

theblackw0lf
Apr 15, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"
Yea 3 was my favorite. It was also the most hilarious.
Everything with the dog was comedy gold.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
lmao okja

Pan Dulce
Jan 4, 2011

Beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure




I haven't seen that, but I have seen the other references Babe and Charlotte's Web so I got what they were heading towards thematically for the character.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Episode 2: again, good stuff. I wasn’t so interested in the pre-Charlie stuff, but I imagine that’ll vary episode to episode. Small-scale story but very well-told and a very enjoyable set of side characters plus Charlie being a wonderful fuckup. Laughed out loud a good amount of times. Again the actual storyline is somewhat thin but the characters are so fun that I minded less. I’m hoping as the series goes on and Charlie recognises the pattern and settles into this kinda-detective role the sleuthing will take up more of the episodes, but I understand why that isn’t the case right now.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Episode one is a stunning hell of a pilot.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Episode 3 good as hell. Probably my favourite so far. Lil Rel Howery is great. I like how Charlie calling bullshit when she hears a lie is almost like a tic. I really enjoy the small scale of this show compared to the Benoit Blanc movies, and Lyonne is constantly proving that everyone was right to assume she would kill this.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008
I got half way through ep 3, loving the running gag of presumably increasingly showing why this dog was a piece of poo poo and not to feel bad for it being bludgeoned to death.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

One day nearer spring
got home late and watched the first ep and half of the second one and I love it. story telling is great, character actors are great and the cheesy 70s/80s detective vibe is perfect. somehow she's doing columbo but better.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Episode 4: still excellent and the best guest cast so far. John Darnielle!!!!!!! The one criticism I have is that I think they should ease up on the “btw Charlie was there the whole time!” thing, I’m somewhat bored of it already. But other than that I still absolutely love it.

Fartington Butts
Jan 21, 2007


Watched the first episode last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. A minor detail at the beginning confused me. After the opening Natalie is talking about using an Apple TV (dick cloud), but they had a CRT in their living room which makes no dang sense. Mixing that with the time jump made me rewind to check that she was the same character.

Good Columbo reference, too. This Old Man played in the Casino.

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



After seeing Knives Out, Glass Onion, and the first episode of this, I feel like I’ve finally nailed Johnson’s particular sub-subgenre of neonoir: retro pastiche postmodern camp. There’s something very calming about how predictable the story is even as the narrative’s presentation swerves all over the map. His mysteries are ultimately howdunnits focused on the fun of the performance and the elegance of the solution, just as Columbo was, and I find that somehow very comforting, even if its simplicity doesn’t necessarily dazzle me or break the mold.

Looking forward to more after a long workday or night out. 😊

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
Rian Johnson: Characters Welcome

hell he references burn notice directly

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Combed Thunderclap posted:

After seeing Knives Out, Glass Onion, and the first episode of this, I feel like I’ve finally nailed Johnson’s particular sub-subgenre of neonoir: retro pastiche postmodern camp.

You should also watch Brick.

Qmass
Jun 3, 2003

lmao @ lady trucker goon in episode 2.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

One day nearer spring

Annabel Pee posted:

I got half way through ep 3, loving the running gag of presumably increasingly showing why this dog was a piece of poo poo and not to feel bad for it being bludgeoned to death.

agreed when the dog lunges at her when she tries to change the radio station and the various times she yells at it "gently caress you, you racist fascist dog!"

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Is this show really like Columbo? I'm about to check it out and you all better be right :argh:

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

One day nearer spring

Jose Oquendo posted:

Is this show really like Columbo? I'm about to check it out and you all better be right :argh:

imho columbo but better

it's like prestige camp(?)

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

Jose Oquendo posted:

Is this show really like Columbo? I'm about to check it out and you all better be right :argh:

Having just finished watching the entirety of Columbo a month or so ago, this is absolutely very much like classic Columbo before the revival.

Ninurta
Sep 19, 2007
What the HELL? That's my cutting board.

I was a little iffy after episode two but three and four knocked it out of the park. The payoff at the end of episode four was fantastic.

Looking forward to the rest of the season.

Luff
Jul 11, 2006

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
(ep 4)Recognizing the Suckerpunch song as the Benson theme made a lot of the scenes really funny. I wonder if that made it funnier than getting it as a reveal at the end would have

Fezz
Aug 31, 2001

You should feel ashamed.
A general observation: My only complaint so far is not enough rich assholes as the murderers.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Heh, when I heard Natasha Lyonne was going to be in a murder mystery series, my immediate thought was “holy poo poo, she was born to be a lady Columbo” and clearly Rian Johnson agreed.

This is a fantastic show. I was a bit thrown early on as coming off the Knives Out movies I expected a subversion of what I’d expect from these mysteries, but instead they are relatively straightforward, with some clues extremely obviously highlighted as being important (oh, hey, let me show you my tiny GoPro recording my feet during the performance, sure this won’t come up later). But that lack of pretension kind of adds to its charm, and of course contributes to the Columbo/general 70s TV pastiche.

I wonder how much of that rests on Lyonne though. The guest stars have been uniformly great, but I feel like it would get tiring if it wasn’t just so drat fun to watch Charlie bumble through everything. I really love the running joke of her being secretly present through the whole murder setup. I feel like Natasha Lyonne could somehow be on the periphery of any story trying to bum a smoke off someone.

I have a personal theory that Rian is an outright Marxist and got to say, so far the show isn’t proving me wrong, which is cool!

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

Wet
Watched episode one tonight and it ruled.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Love it so far. I'm already pissed we have to wait a week in between new episodes moving forward.

Natasha Lyonne is always delightful, and the rest of you should watch any of her late-night interviews on Youtube to tide you over in the meantime, especially the ones with Conan and Seth Meyers.

mr. unhsib
Sep 19, 2003
I hate you all.
God, the gag with the Nissan Leaf in episode 3 killed me.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
John Hodgman and John Darnielle were great

Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.
This show is a blast, I haven’t had this much fun with a series in a while. Just firing on all cylinders, well made and enjoyable to watch.

I hope the rest of the run lives up to the first four, if so this will be a great first season.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

hey look,
a post
I just watched the first two episodes. First one had some rough patches (the drive to work scene is really clunky, the suicide looked pretty bad, etc. etc.) but the second one flow a lot better and made me laugh more. Hope the next two keep up that trend.

Luvcow posted:

imho columbo but better

this is just unhinged

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I might just be slow, but I'm unclear on episode 2. I get that the dashcam footage freed Marge. but why didn't Jed just take the winning scratcher and run? Was the scratcher somehow not good and that's why he burned it? Why wait for the cops?

Narcissus1916 fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jan 30, 2023

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
ep 2 It still has the serial number, they would be able to trace it whenever he tried to cash in, and the cops would tell whatever company that that number is connected to a murder

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

ah, got it! Need to watch this earlier in the night and not when I'm about to pop a sleeping pill.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I'll be honest, I'm mostly here for the Great Comet joke in the thread title :allears:

I definitely want to check this out. Lyonne was SO GOOD in Russian Doll

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I just watched the first episode and though some of the writing was a little contrived in places, it was a real fun watch, especially since Lyonne's delivery and general scruffiness make me keep mentally projecting Peter Falk into her place :allears:

misguided rage
Jun 15, 2010

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:
There are some really great gags in this, e2: I was rolling my eyes at 'Charlie can't remember the word for something' popping up for the third time in two episodes, but the cut to her playing pictionary with a gaggle of truckers made me laugh.

I kinda wish she didn't have her lie detector super power, she's always picked up enough other clues to figure it out anyway and it's a bit stupid to have a scene in every episode like:
Natasha Columbo: Wow it sure sucks that the one person in the episode I liked was killed
The Murderer: Yeah it sure is a shame that they died in a way that I had nothing to do with
Natasha Columbo: Oh my god, you murdered them!

Although I did like in e3 where Charlie told the wife about the lie detecting and in every scene afterwards you can tell that she's choosing her words very carefully to be technically true

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Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.
I like that so far, all the murders have revolved around money in some way . I wonder if that theme will continue.

I love the gag of her being in the story the whole time and not knowing it until later, I wonder if you go back and rewatch if you can find her in the background.

Also, like every murder mystery show, the sheer number of murders this woman runs into is astounding! Don't hang out with her, or visit Cabot Cove, or go to Santa Barbara to visit Shawn and Gus. The murders are everywhere!

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