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Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

I think the biggest lesson DeSantis has taught is how utterly worthless the Florida Democrats are. This man has the charisma of a sour dishrag and yet they can�t put up a credible challenge.

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Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Also, as the most nakedly fascist politician in the country, how has no one pegged him as Ron DeFascist yet? The alliteration of "fascist Florida" works nicely too.

It's almost like there's a huge hesitation to use the word "fascist" when talking about American politicians, no matter how accurate the label might be.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:31

Mustang: Jun 18, 2006; “We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

Stultus Maximus posted:

I think the biggest lesson DeSantis has taught is how utterly worthless the Florida Democrats are. This man has the charisma of a sour dishrag and yet they can�t put up a credible challenge.

Recently I read an article from someone that worked on Democratic campaigns in Florida through the Obama years and it sounded like a lot of the main Florida Democratic donors effectively sidelined the state party in favor of their own "alliance" that had more control over choosing candidates and electoral strategies. So the organization that helped Florida elect Obama twice essentially disappeared.

Can't remember where I read that article though, wasn't from one of the usual sites I follow. I think it was Axios or Vox or something.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:36

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Mustang posted:

Also, as the most nakedly fascist politician in the country, how has no one pegged him as Ron DeFascist yet? The alliteration of "fascist Florida" works nicely too.

It's almost like there's a huge hesitation to use the word "fascist" when talking about American politicians, no matter how accurate the label might be.

I think it�s due to overuse. Leftists spent most of the second half of the 20th century calling everything to the right of themselves �fascist.� Then you get morons like Jonah Goldberg saying that actually liberals are the real fascists because nobody actually knows that fascism is authoritarian but not all authoritarianism is fascist.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:45

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

Grip it and rip it posted:

(perhaps currently the most powerful)

Sir we live in a capitalism

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:48

Grip it and rip it: Apr 28, 2020

Mustang posted:

Also, as the most nakedly fascist politician in the country, how has no one pegged him as Ron DeFascist yet? The alliteration of "fascist Florida" works nicely too.

It's almost like there's a huge hesitation to use the word "fascist" when talking about American politicians, no matter how accurate the label might be.

I would wager it's related to how most americans react when they hear that accusation stated. For years calling someone a "fascist" has been presented as a the immediate reaction of out-of-touch leftists when confronted with reality. I don't think it's something that conjures much appreciation in the minds of your run of the mill voters and their largely denial based perception of what the USA is and how it operates.

M_Gargantua posted:

Sir we live in a capitalism

It's true, but after seeing Putin bring his Oligarchs to heel at the start of the War in Ukraine I think the Presidency has a lot of room to grow.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:48

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Grip it and rip it posted:

The timing of all this seems particularly bizarre if its part of any kind of Russian operation. It's not clear why Tara Reade would flee the USA now as opposed to any other time in the past. She hints at a possible warrant surfacing but I have no idea what that could be connected to. She could just be an victim who is scared because she accused a powerful (perhaps currently the most powerful) person in the USA of a crime, and fled to where she thinks its safe.

I can�t say that moving to Russia looks like a great idea to me, but I can understand that a person who had been assaulted and then saw the perpetrator not only not face justice, but become the Leader of the Free World might do some desperate things.

Grip it and rip it posted:

Her talking about the war is a very bad look, however. Her attorney also dropped her as a client but states that its not related to the veracity of her claim

Good response by the lawyer, IMO.

I don�t see how what she does now has a lot of bearing on the credibility of the four or more people she told, decades ago, about what Joe Biden did to her.

Separately, the lawyer does have good reasons to drop her as a client.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 21:58

MrMojok: Jan 28, 2011

bird food bathtub posted:

That is the stupidest, most cringey attempt to use Churchill's speech I have heard in my life. I would be embarrassed for any normal person.

This isn�t the first time he�s bastardized the Churchill speech, either. He used it before and some of his bootlickers must have said �Very effective, sir! 👍 � and now it�s his thing.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 22:06

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Stultus Maximus posted:

I think it�s due to overuse. Leftists spent most of the second half of the 20th century calling everything to the right of themselves �fascist.� Then you get morons like Jonah Goldberg saying that actually liberals are the real fascists because nobody actually knows that fascism is authoritarian but not all authoritarianism is fascist.

This problem existed with �fascism� in a big way even before V‑E day.

Orwell, 1944 posted:

Of all the unanswered questions of our time, perhaps the most important is: �What is Fascism?�

One of the social survey organizations in America recently asked this question of a hundred different people, and got answers ranging from �pure democracy� to �pure diabolism�. In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian r�gimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology.

It is not easy, for instance, to fit Germany and Japan into the same framework, and it is even harder with some of the small states which are describable as Fascist. It is usually assumed, for instance, that Fascism is inherently warlike, that it thrives in an atmosphere of war hysteria and can only solve its economic problems by means of war preparation or foreign conquests. But clearly this is not true of, say, Portugal or the various South American dictatorships. Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic. Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism. But still, when we apply the term �Fascism� to Germany or Japan or Mussolini's Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people � certainly no political party or organized body of any kind � which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term �Fascist�. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words �Fascist in sympathy�, or �of Fascist tendency�, or just plain �Fascist�, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or �Fascist-minded�. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: �The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism�.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet r�gimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a �Fascist country�. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky's own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;

War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term �Fascist� to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People's Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as �Fascist-minded� or �natural Fascists�. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

It will be seen that, as used, the word �Fascism� is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the r�gimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if �Fascist� means �in sympathy with Hitler�, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word �Fascist� in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By �Fascism� they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept �bully� as a synonym for �Fascist�. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one � not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

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Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Platystemon posted:

This problem existed with �fascism� in a big way even before V‑E day.

True which is why I encourage everyone to read Robert Paxton�s Anatomy of Fascism. It�s scholarly, it�s not trying to fit a contemporary event to make a political statement, and it�s as objective and concrete as history and political science can be.

And yes, sorry, Eco is a good writer but the characteristics of fascism that goons love to repost are not scholarly, concrete, objective, or useful.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 22:12

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

Platystemon posted:

This problem existed with “fascism” in a big way even before V‑E day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGAqYNFQdZ4

# ? Jun 3, 2023 22:12

Elviscat: Jan 1, 2008; Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Yup, that's language.

Thanks to this forum I've read like 5,000 pages of intense debate over the words "liberal" and "left".

Each individual has different beliefs, creating an huge political spectrum that is hard to characterize simply, and mostly characterized by morons.

# ? Jun 3, 2023 22:15

M_Gargantua: Oct 16, 2006; STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES; Exciting Lemon

Fascists - punch on sight
Liberal - bootlicker
Leftist - terminally online idiot
Me - cool and good and right and pro gay luxury space communism now

# ? Jun 3, 2023 23:15

Wrong Theory: Aug 27, 2005; Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code

Platystemon posted:

This problem existed with �fascism� in a big way even before V‑E day.

Astrology huh. I can't help being a fascist, I'm such a Taurus :shrug:

# ? Jun 4, 2023 00:33

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

I never did like lumping the Imperial Japanese in with Italian and German states as fascist. There are a lot of ways that comparison breaks down. Sometimes it's okay to just say the someone or something is really bad and sucks a whole lot and maybe we should do something about it.

# ? Jun 4, 2023 00:36

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

A.o.D. posted:

I never did like lumping the Imperial Japanese in with Italian and German states as fascist. There are a lot of ways that comparison breaks down. Sometimes it's okay to just say the someone or something is really bad and sucks a whole lot and maybe we should do something about it.

Fighting over semantics and minutiae is one of the great leftists calling cards though

# ? Jun 4, 2023 01:19

lightpole: Jun 4, 2004; I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Fighting over semantics and minutiae is one of the great leftists calling cards though

Let me tell you why you're wrong and a nazi

# ? Jun 4, 2023 03:23

Richard Bong: Dec 11, 2008

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Fighting over semantics and minutiae is one of the great leftists calling cards though

Even saying this is anti-revolutionary and another thing it also�

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Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

Richard Bong posted:

Even saying this is anti-revolutionary and another thing it also�

Lol that�s like some city subforums where I made the mistake of mentioning a former landlord who charged below market rates for a cool location and returned damage deposits right away, for you see, I should have seized his property & turned it into a commune.

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Grip it and rip it: Apr 28, 2020

Yeah a big problem with progressive politics are definitely its proponents. Free Market types espouse a framework where you can get rich by exploiting and harming others. Socialists offer you the chance to love collectively with people who love to whine about minutae and critique any outward expression of succession. Its easy to see why people are drawb to the former in many cases, even if the latter is obviously better for structuring a cohesive and successful society

# ? Jun 4, 2023 18:40

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

Grip it and rip it posted:

Yeah a big problem with progressive politics are definitely its proponents. Free Market types espouse a framework where you can get rich by exploiting and harming others. Socialists offer you the chance to love collectively with people who love to whine about minutae and critique any outward expression of succession. Its easy to see why people are drawb to the former in many cases, even if the latter is obviously better for structuring a cohesive and successful society

I'm reminded of people online promoting the idea of JDPON. Almost every single person I've seen do that are people that a JDPON would be putting near the top of the "against the wall with you" list.

# ? Jun 4, 2023 18:46

Soul Dentist: Mar 17, 2009

Grip it and rip it posted:

Yeah a big problem with ~~progressive~~ politics are definitely its proponents. Free Market types espouse a framework where you can get rich by exploiting and harming others. Socialists offer you the chance to love collectively with people who love to whine about minutae and critique any outward expression of succession. Its easy to see why people are drawb to the former in many cases, even if the latter is obviously ~~better for structuring a cohesive and successful~~ society

# ? Jun 4, 2023 19:03

Elviscat: Jan 1, 2008; Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

I like the internet socialists that make 6 figures from cushy WFH jobs, that let them post all day about ML thought or whatever. Always from middle class backgrounds who have never wanted for anything.

Most of the working class is too loving busy working lovely jobs to worry about such things.

# ? Jun 4, 2023 19:36

Basticle: Sep 12, 2011

https://apnews.com/article/india-passenger-train-derail-deadly-accident-dd0c82012f9e14016b58d09eb3adec2d

quote:

The derailment in eastern India that killed 275 people and injured hundreds was caused by an error in the electronic signaling system that led a train to wrongly change tracks and crash into a freight train, officials said Sunday.

# ? Jun 4, 2023 22:01

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

I'm surprised it's "only" 275 so far

# ? Jun 4, 2023 22:09

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

https://twitter.com/morgan_rimmer/status/1665412392442888194

# ? Jun 5, 2023 03:54

Mappo: Apr 27, 2009

I've grown to consider Leftist and Christian Conservatives to be basically the same people, they just use different words to express their outrage.

Here is some good news, Twitter's Ad sales are down 59% in the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/technology/twitter-ad-sales-musk.html

# ? Jun 5, 2023 17:04

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

https://twitter.com/crypto/status/1665738102294429696?t=LCz853ULhM8viSQG4YvNyQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1665757561600249856?t=M5nhrmBgP_5dWqm6qMv6oA&s=19

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23749480/sec-sues-binance-crypto-exchange-changpeng-zhao

good stuff

# ? Jun 5, 2023 17:32

ASAPI: Apr 20, 2007; I invented the line.

facialimpediment posted:

https://twitter.com/crypto/status/1665738102294429696?t=LCz853ULhM8viSQG4YvNyQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1665757561600249856?t=M5nhrmBgP_5dWqm6qMv6oA&s=19

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23749480/sec-sues-binance-crypto-exchange-changpeng-zhao

good stuff

This explains why some co-workers have suddenly been loud about how great crypto is and it will totally replace our dollar any minute now.

# ? Jun 5, 2023 17:53

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Lol that�s like some city subforums where I made the mistake of mentioning a former landlord who charged below market rates for a cool location and returned damage deposits right away, for you see, I should have seized his property & turned it into a commune.

If you have an example from Portland I will (reluctantly) begin dismantling the guillotine.

# ? Jun 5, 2023 18:21

ThisIsJohnWayne: Feb 23, 2007; Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!

ASAPI posted:

This explains why some co-workers have suddenly been loud about how great crypto is and it will totally replace our dollar any minute now.

Thoughts and prayers aren't working, we must pray harder

# ? Jun 5, 2023 18:49

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Who could've predicted that it was a scam all the way down.

# ? Jun 5, 2023 18:58

Suicide Watch: Sep 8, 2009

CommieGIR posted:

Who could've predicted that it was a scam all the way down.

Securities markets are all pretty scammy, it's just that crypto is far more scammy than the others

# ? Jun 5, 2023 19:11

Grip it and rip it: Apr 28, 2020

CommieGIR posted:

Who could've predicted that it was a scam all the way down.

Whoa I'm just trying to make you rich bro by introducing you to this once in a lifetime opportunity. lol ur going to be poor if u miss this!!!

# ? Jun 5, 2023 19:30

facialimpediment: Feb 11, 2005; as the world turns

this is a repost, but lmao at this being an official United States governmental infographic now

https://twitter.com/SECGov/status/1665779371108335618?t=TKyq_9dwHReKhVkq_q24yw&s=19

also Elon is on a Twitter space with RFK Jr and it's very full of brainworms for everyone involved

# ? Jun 5, 2023 20:01

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

https://twitter.com/IntlSpyMuseum/status/1665789928226140160?t=9MvspKoM3Dy6y7hOHcTGXw&s=19

Good

# ? Jun 5, 2023 21:05

Handsome Ralph: Sep 3, 2004; Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!

Rest in Piss, Ramon.

# ? Jun 5, 2023 21:22

LtCol J. Krusinski: May 7, 2013

Yooooo gently caress that motherfucker to loving back forty.

Pieces of poo poo bigger than him? I refuse to believe that Bradley Manning or Reality Winner or that stooge Snowden were as inherently evil as this motherfucker. Say what you want about those idiots, but rich wasn�t their end goal.

Hansen knee capped his own nation for loving chump change, absolute chump change. But it was enough money for his rear end to turncoat soooo� :sigh:

I hope he ends up in a potters field, but if anyone is up for a road trip to start a �let�s poo poo on this motherfuckers graves� tour I nominate Hansen as Upper Decker #1.

# ? Jun 5, 2023 21:43

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665523568271081480?t=2OH5IjQ-nFYzF5vYxBMXuw&s=19
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665762038281322496?t=stAXCv89AmocHYVJbXYMCw&s=19

Orange man realizes the walls are closing in and he's too much of a fatass to hold off getting squished too much longer.

E- https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/1665817503942017026?t=1duh-Qt_O40jZZlYJTwmkw&s=19

Maybe it was an accident...but maybe it wasn't? :hm: #JustAskingQuestions

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jun 5, 2023

# ? Jun 5, 2023 22:32

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:32

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665523568271081480?t=2OH5IjQ-nFYzF5vYxBMXuw&s=19
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1665762038281322496?t=stAXCv89AmocHYVJbXYMCw&s=19

Orange man realizes the walls are closing in and he's too much of a fatass to hold off getting squished too much longer.

E- https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/1665817503942017026?t=1duh-Qt_O40jZZlYJTwmkw&s=19

Maybe it was an accident...but maybe it wasn't? :hm: #JustAskingQuestions

LMAO how do you manage that accidentally??

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