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my studied opinion on this topic is that a porn company worth billions shouldn't continuously get away with distributing child porn and revenge porn and ignoring requests to take it down just because it's the biggest, most popular porn company
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Scam Likely posted:When the pandemic hit a lot of in person figure drawing classes moved online. This had the side effect of connecting a ton of artists with models all over the world, so there's a big community of artists and models that will get hosed over by this because Evangelicals can't stand knowing people are looking at dicks, hoo-ha's and nipples. inventing ever more niche reasons I need this specific site to not moderate porn uploads more strictly
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cat botherer posted:There’s more child porn on YouTube than there is on pornhub drat it sounds like somebody should also crack down on that
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Scam Likely posted:Does it count as "invention" whenever you learn about something that had existed all this time despite you not being aware of it? I believe online life drawing classes exist. I don't believe there is any connection between life drawing classes and sexually explicit content covered by gumroad's ban. So yeah, you've invented a victim (art students) to be outraged on behalf of when you're just mad about VR chat avs with huge asses going away
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Mar 19, 2024 02:22
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Scam Likely posted:Sure seems like a rock solid policy totally not written by puritanical ghouls who want to abuse the legal system to blackmail payment processors to enforce their own sexually repressed attitudes between other consenting adults. Nobody wants it to be rock-solid. It's obvious to me that the policy is deliberately written to not be rock-solid, to allow moderators to make a judgment call for products that involve nudity but aren't porn, such as the life drawing classes you pretended to care about
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Mar 19, 2024 14:05
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Scam Likely posted:It's literally my job, what do you do for a living? Because belittling peoples careers based on your personal prejudices sure does make it easier to write them off as mere hobbies deserving of defunding. whose career am I belittling by doubting that a website banning porn but explicitly allowing non-porn nudity will affect normal art classes
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Mar 19, 2024 14:11
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Icept posted:mods how many threads has this guy reported for nsfw posts? not even one, but you make a good point: SA's a great example. somehow these forums banned porn without also getting rid of all the erotic artists and writers, and it hasn't resulted in a christian nationalist takeover or impacted the careers of those artists in any way. what it has done is cut down on the creeps sexually harassing people by turning threads about, say, anime into their personal J.O. Zone
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Mar 19, 2024 17:32
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Scam Likely posted:You keep insinuating that these policies don't hurt the wrong people but I know dozens of models who have gotten hit and have to scramble because their income has been cut off, funds locked and their work deleted. Dozens of models for the life drawing classes you mentioned, or dozens of porn models? Life drawing classes getting hit by a policy banning porn is bad, I agree, and I'd agree that that would show that the policy was actually a cover for purging the site out of puritan motives or at the behest of right-winger pressure groups. If it's porn models getting banned, I mean, that strikes me as an intended effect of the policy, and that policy could have been undertaken for good reasons
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Mar 19, 2024 17:55
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Just say the quiet part out loud already so you can stop your constant sidestepping that you think everyone that does porn is just as bad as pedophiles. It'll make it easier on everyone. lol?
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temple posted:Instagram is fine. It's no worse than the beach or the night scene in a city. oh you don't want to see porn on general-interest websites when you aren't looking for it? you're bothered by every major web company trying to juice ad revenue by making you horny 24/7? you think artists, writers, and streamers might not enjoy feeling like they have to compete with porn in every space on the internet? why don't you just say the quiet part out loud and admit you want to put sex workers in camps
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Rockman Reserve posted:“this is an intentionally vague rule pushed by religious extremists but it’s definitely going to be applied in a fair, common-sense way.” -cassias of imola, victim of oxygen deprivation to the brain I'm totally prepared to believe that the policy is unfair and targeting more things than it says it does, which is why I asked for clarification here: Cassian of Imola posted:Dozens of models for the life drawing classes you mentioned, or dozens of porn models? Life drawing classes getting hit by a policy banning porn is bad, I agree, and I'd agree that that would show that the policy was actually a cover for purging the site out of puritan motives or at the behest of right-winger pressure groups. If it's porn models getting banned, I mean, that strikes me as an intended effect of the policy, and that policy could have been undertaken for good reasons Is the policy being applied unfairly? That's what I'm asking. I am 100% on your side if art classes are in fact being banned
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Expo70 posted:I get that this is the "well its tuesday" answer and doesn't sound very empathetic but at some point there's only so much you can do about a problem before it becomes functionally unsolvable due to the sheer magnitude of general content I'm not seeing a lot of great reasons for not prosecuting people and companies who knowingly distribute child porn and revenge porn here Expo70 posted:i promise you helen lovejoy: someone is thinking of the kids and its not who you think it is your post is generally kind of a loose batshit screed but I guess here you mean to imply that people who want to address an extremely visible problem (multibillion dollar companies profiting from child porn and revenge porn) are pedophiles, or are in league with pedophiles, or are the dupes of pedophiles. but I have to point out that between the two of you, you're the one arguing that companies should be allowed to profit from child porn without consequences, and they're the ones with the opposite opinion Cassian of Imola fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Expo70 posted:yeah because you're reading the post like its a shopping list for your talking-points and you're shocked when I'm making an argument, not repeating you back at yourself what argument? you start with the observation that there is so much child abuse that there's a limit to what you can do to address it, which is true, but then you don't actually explain why nothing should be done about pornhub. all you do is insinuate that advocates for policing child porn on major porn sites are in cahoots with hypocritical republican pedophiles. I could link a wikipedia article that describes that rhetorical technique but I'd have to eat my gun afterward from embarrassment
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rotinaj posted:the thing is that the histrionic "wont someone please regulate pornhub" folks are confusing thinking this dumb corporate move by gumroad, not pornhub or any other pornographic video website, will in any way negatively impact pornhub or the other websites that are actually doing bad things oh yeah I'd prefer if they were two totally separate arguments. I don't think gumroad is policing its content for the same reasons pornhub is. the only way they're linked is if you believe that american christian nationalists are mainly responsible for both policy changes. that's dumb for a couple reasons: (1) they aren't. pornhub was responding to the threat of prosecution, whereas gumroad was probably just saving their investors and payment processors a headache. (2) even if christian nationalists were primarily responsible for pornhub deleting a bunch of revenge porn and child porn, why would you want to hand them that W? why are you letting 'advocacy for victims of revenge porn' be a christian nationalist plank, and why are you publicly getting mad at them for it? what bloc of public opinion are you trying to appeal to here?
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Expo70 posted:off topic, but drat i wasn't aware of this from page 1, which incidentally is how long pornhub has been a topic in this thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4056590&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post538407522
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Expo70 posted:you realize that post is literally going against the very argument you yourself actually made, right? well don't leave me in suspense. which argument and how
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I think there are obvious good reasons for a company to want to pursue the non-porn creator marketplace niche. not sure that's what gumroad is doing, they blamed their payment processors. but I suspect that the porn stuff just wasn't making much money either and the bosses judged the perceived seediness of being the big titty VR av clearinghouse would do more financial harm by driving out non-erotic artists and their customers in any case, unless you're an Amazon-size monopoly, it makes sense to separate the porn and non-porn markets no matter how comparatively lucrative they are. but certain annoying people feel entitled to spam their worthless lois griffin erotica in every possible forum and whine about fairness when they're told No
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:being an entertainer is an ancient profession op old folks ragging on streamers should remember the streamer of yesteryear: the hangman, the circus freak, the village idiot,
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dervival posted:it makes a lot of business sense, which strips away any nuance besides immediate profit. it made a lot of business sense at the time to redline minorities too
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people on here will tell you it's soooo wasteful for a capitalist grocery store to carry 20 different brands of breakfast cereal but go ballistic when you suggest that onlyfans selling videos of 2 million  creators' most revolting orifices under dental clinic lighting might be a little much
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Mistle posted:"The excuse was business, but the intent was moralistic/propagandist" is about where the comparison ends, and it's a contrived comparison. In any form of society, everyone in it needs a place to live, and both land and housing are scarce and non-fungible. Porn hosting, on the other hand, is cheap, effectively infinite, and — I could almost leave this unsaid but for a few very special posters — unnecessary to sustain life. Likewise, in any society, people who build homes are valuable. And sure, a certain number of sex workers and other entertainers are useful as well, even if they aren't providing for a need as fundamental as shelter. But can we claim with a straight face that, just because some people are willing to pay them, all the users on gumroad who were selling photos of themselves dressed as D.Va ought to make a living doing that? It's work, okay, but is it hard work? Are they performing labour more difficult, skilful, or valuable to society than the guys holding the STOP/SLOW sign at road construction sites in hundred-degree heat? Obviously not. So why do they feel entitled to more money than those guys? At least they're just worthless and not actually harmful to society like a private equity investor or a soldier, but still, I don't think a second Civil Rights Act for cosplayers is called for. Find a new vocation. Go pick oranges or teach history or something
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Meet a nice man, settle down, have some kids
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I think my main problem with the idea of individuals selling bespoke porn is not the immorality of prostitution — I'm not perfect and I don't expect anyone else to be. And yes, many of these women would undoubtedly be happier locked in a convent praying and contemplating the Trinity, but I know I'm tilting at windmills there. It's not the 'porn' thing that really bothers me, it's the 'individual' part. Huge swathes of porn are just duplicated effort. The typical end user can't or won't distinguish between most of it, and becoming famous as a performer is mainly down to luck: having pale skin, two X chromosomes, and large breasts helps to start, and you also need to get memed into popularity by total serendipity to make real money at it. Moreover, the biggest money being made in porn is in these aggregator streaming sites that present uninterrupted, wall-to-wall thumbnails of people engaged in acts contrary to God's plan for their lives. How many people looking at Pornhub, generating ad revenue, are looking for a specific video? Probably not many. Probably they're just there to engage in acts contrary to God's plan for their lives without a specific recorded performance in mind. The attraction is not the unique qualities of a particular performer, but the sheer quantity of nearly identical performances. The fact that success is down to pure luck, and that most consumers treat porn videos as interchangeable (within broad, often hideously racist and misogynist genres): you take these two features of the porn market, and you realise that the Turkish bazaar model of porn marketplace doesn't make any sense. Gumroad was a failure of imagination, just trying to be another OnlyFans for goths and nerds. The vast majority of erotic artists and performers were going to get nothing from that model. It was going to suck just as bad for 99% of performers as OnlyFans, but also have zero brand recognition and terrible SEO, while 1% would hoover up all the money through pure luck as usual. Right now the choice for porn actors, for example, is being paid a one-off fee of 3 to 4 figures for a performance that gets fed into billion-dollar aggregators like Reddit and Pornhub, or playing the lottery with sites like OnlyFans and Gumroad. Or, ideally, taking vows. But surely there's an obvious fourth option, one that guarantees pay and a stake in the future earnings of the performance? Not individual stalls in a bazaar like Gumroad, each fighting for attention; a proven successful model of website, a Wal-mart of porn like Pornhub. The catch? Its ownership is structured like a convent: the profits are collected then distributed to meet the needs of all the workers. And with proper stewardship, just like a convent, it can continue to care for its members in old age, when their orifices get too worn out to keep working in a customer-facing capacity. I genuinely believe a community adopting the convent model will be the next big disruptor in online porn
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counterfeitsaint posted:Are sex workers providing a greater fundamental need than arguing against porn on a dead gay comedy forum? Of course not, but I don't expect a dime from you ingrates.
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weg posted:So if I join the convent but get no views on my AI generated videos of Thomas the Tank Engine getting his boxcar derailed, do I get the same health care benefits as the beautiful people filming amazing sex in 8k 4D? First of all, I can personally guarantee your video would get at least one view  Second, I'm not a Harvard MDiv or even an MBA but yes, part of my overall point was that even the worthless filler has worth as filler to Pornhub, and contributes to its overall success. If I were running things, everyone would be compensated equally, but the bean counters at the porn convent might settle on some kind of performance incentives over and above a minimum package of wages and benefits, or else reassign 'underperformers' to other jobs such as picking oranges or teaching history under a collectively negotiated contract with an orchard or private secondary school.
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:Yeah I wanna watch nuns gently caress too. I'll never pay for it though. Who pays for Pornhub? I'm just taking the most successful business model in porn and putting it under the most ethical model of non-state collective ownership (vow of poverty) Cassian of Imola fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:would everyone in the getting dudes off industry be sharing the same guild in catholic porno communism or would there be separate rival ones for the folks drawing dragons with huge tits and the ladies who pretend to be stuck in the mud, the idea is compelling but the logistics daunting I envision it as an organisation of workers from across the whole sector. You raise a good point, though — inevitably, some media won't 'pull its weight' compared to genre porn videos. Although collective bargaining will raise the rates for artwork, it seems likely that demand for bespoke pieces like commissioned furry smut will continue to fall short of the needs of all the artists willing to make them. In that case some should be retrained to paint biblical scenes and icons of saints. Cassian of Imola fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:You could have saved everyone a lot of time by just getting to the point right away. Nothing gets past this guy!
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StrangersInTheNight posted:yeah the 'lol guess you just can't survive without consuming porn you gross perverts' is an interesting route for some people to take because porn and sex work have been around forever and people will continue to buy access to these things until the end of time. like, whole-rear end forms of technology have settled in as common for public use bc of porn, you may think of VHS players as where you watched your Disney movies growing up, but that's certainly now how they gained dominance in the household market originally. and how did IBM punchcards gain dominance in midcentury government recordkeeping
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Smugworth posted:Did anyone ever figure out what Gumroad is/was It was a modern-day Gomorrah. Now it has pulled a Tumblr.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The whole argument against gumroad was mainly pushed by that stupid God guy. Unsurprisingly for awhile he was all about shutting down places like gumroad because he hated porn being shoved in his face everywhere and won't you guys think of the children before eventually letting slip that he's just mad cause he doesn't think posting spicy feet pics on the internet is "part of God's plan" and that these nice ladies should instead be getting married and starting a family. I stand by every word.
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Bad Purchase posted:oh? 1. _____ worship (idolatry) 2. Dirty talk (blasphemy) 3. Sex on Sunday 4. Incest (dishonouring your parents) 5. Sadism/snuff (murder) 6. Adultery 7. Cosplay (bearing false witness) 8. Spermjacking (stealing) 9. Cucking (coveting neighbour's wife/property) 10. Zoophilia (coveting neighbour's animals)
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I hope certain former Gumroad users take the opportunity of Good Friday to reflect on the suffering endured by God on account of, among other things, their commerce in pornography.
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Elukka posted:I'm sure the omnipotent master of the entire universe can deal with it. He did deal with it, through His crucifixion.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:I'll only think about it till I cum. Disrespectful.
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