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Cassian of Imola posted:I'm not seeing a lot of great reasons for not prosecuting people and companies who knowingly distribute child porn and revenge porn here please, pot, stop arguing past kettle about which is darker the thing is that the histrionic "wont someone please regulate pornhub" folks are confusing thinking this dumb corporate move by gumroad, not pornhub or any other pornographic video website, will in any way negatively impact pornhub or the other websites that are actually doing bad things
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rotinaj posted:please, pot, stop arguing past kettle about which is darker right, the entire point was that this was about gumroad deciding "uhhh nope" because investors got cold feet and how that genuinely loving sucks for creators e: loving lol at whoever did that Expo70 fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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thread was kind of interesting when it was artists chatting about how stupidly hard it’s getting to make a living off of big tittied vrchat models or whatever. whatever’s going on now just ain’t it
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TrashMammal posted:thread was kind of interesting when it was artists chatting about how stupidly hard it’s getting to make a living off of big tittied vrchat models or whatever. whatever’s going on now just ain’t it agreed, let's go back to that i've got friends who's fulltime income is literally doing what you've described and holy poo poo their mental health has taken such a dive in the last 24 hours, they are all scrambling to find solutions the big one seems to be moving towards a commission basis since there's some sort of wriggle room in some places if a product is bespoke rather than sold to the public i'll ask when they get on and see what i can find out
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TrashMammal posted:thread was kind of interesting when it was artists chatting about how stupidly hard it’s getting to make a living off of big tittied vrchat models or whatever. whatever’s going on now just ain’t it There's always gonna be that one person that's gonna talk past any reasonable response and try to link furries to pedophiles or something whenever there's any talk about something with boobs and adults.
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rotinaj posted:the thing is that the histrionic "wont someone please regulate pornhub" folks are confusing thinking this dumb corporate move by gumroad, not pornhub or any other pornographic video website, will in any way negatively impact pornhub or the other websites that are actually doing bad things oh yeah I'd prefer if they were two totally separate arguments. I don't think gumroad is policing its content for the same reasons pornhub is. the only way they're linked is if you believe that american christian nationalists are mainly responsible for both policy changes. that's dumb for a couple reasons: (1) they aren't. pornhub was responding to the threat of prosecution, whereas gumroad was probably just saving their investors and payment processors a headache. (2) even if christian nationalists were primarily responsible for pornhub deleting a bunch of revenge porn and child porn, why would you want to hand them that W? why are you letting 'advocacy for victims of revenge porn' be a christian nationalist plank, and why are you publicly getting mad at them for it? what bloc of public opinion are you trying to appeal to here?
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Diabetes Forecast posted:There's always gonna be that one person that's gonna talk past any reasonable response and try to link furries to pedophiles or something whenever there's any talk about something with boobs and adults. "but furries or pedos are so easy to scream loudly about, i don't want to have to think, thinking is hard let's have the easy topic" yeah idk i'm genuinely curious to see how this is going to impact secondary art communities at this point i'm shocked that some community hub furaffinity or w/e hasn't some how figured out how to become a payment processor some how for this exact reason they certainly have the expertise and the motivation
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stay on topic please or make a thread actually, you make stuff afaik (game art and some bonkers good spritework mainly)? do you do it thru gumroad, or paypal or some other processor? i know you have the pp, but i've never really asked you about this so now i'm curious -- same goes for your friends, do you know anybody using gumroad? gumroad's format is that of a store (one product, many customers), vs besoke (one product, one customer) i notice? not my area of expertise i will add Expo70 fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Twitch does a good job of categorizing and separating adult content from general audience content. A hot tub bikini stream is not going to show up on your front page unless you are specifically going right to those all the time. I've hit up Twitch a couple times incognito and got the Amouranth recommend in the side bar, but it had like, 14k and was live, so I can understand why it was there(because you show up for a channel that's popular) But other suggestive streams are usually due to extreme popularity at the moment, either the channel alone, or the category being broadcast, as the inevitable titty stream showed up when everyone and their cat was playing BG3. Algorithm gonna try to make money, I guess 
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Revenge porn wasn't being sold on gumroad, so i dont know why that strawman keeps getting trotted out. Maybe someone is being disingenuious or perhaps just stupid.Expo70 posted:i'm genuinely curious to see how this is going to impact secondary art communities I know there's an attempt by some art website (i forget the name) that's trying to make their own patreon like service, that will always allow nsfw art. Dunno how sucessful it'll be in the long run, but it would be nice for my artist friends to have a stable platform.
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I've been informed by the Christian nationalists who run this website that I may no longer sell my dirty socks or spicy foot pics where I smush food between my toes via PMs. Do not PM me with offers to purchase my dirty socks or my 60 new spicy foot pics set.
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DemoneeHo posted:Revenge porn wasn't being sold on gumroad, so i dont know why that strawman keeps getting trotted out. Maybe someone is being disingenuious or perhaps just stupid. if the name comes back to you, do let me know genuinely interested now and i think i'll be looking into this as a research topic my guess is there's a clustering of which law firms astroturf responses against payment middleware to put perception-risk pressure on investors and processors its sort of like how john oliver recently highlighted that most of the medical malpractice is done by a small number of doctors, and the state medical board lacks the proper authority or motivation (read: collusion) to suspend them there's likely a relationship at play here which could be undermined legally with a bill, legislation or careful legal writing Smugworth posted:I've been informed by the Christian nationalists who run this website that I may no longer sell my dirty socks or spicy foot pics where I smush food between my toes via PMs. Do not PM me with offers to purchase my dirty socks or my 60 new spicy foot pics set. i mean that's funny right until you remember that the only way for many marginalized groups to get the healthcare they need is to appeal to the fact they're fetishized by mainstream society then its way, way less funny or i'm being a dork and misreading your post because i'm still sour over dorkus mayfly or whatever i'm guessing its me
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NoiseAnnoys posted:a spectre is haunting this thread, the spectre of bust rodd. *shudders*
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Expo70 posted:actually, you make stuff afaik? do you do it thru gumroad, or paypal or some other processor? generally I use paypal invoices and just never write anything in. I have my emails separated for social media accounts so that they can't track what I do. I also have a business account and have alot of money through for all sorts of clients, so they generally don't gently caress with me at all. I don't really know what other services I would use, but there is a genuine thought towards some kinda stable crypto thing in a closed circuit meant for art commissions. Skeb, the japanese commissioning site, uses this method as their backend to make sure all transactions are obfuscated so that artists can retain their anonymity and safety, as well as make it almost impossible to charge-back. If something were to harness that, then you'd have probably the best platform for artists as a whole.
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Dandywalken posted:*shudders* https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=142496  Diabetes Forecast posted:generally I use paypal invoices and just never write anything in. I have my emails separated for social media accounts so that they can't track what I do. i think then there needs to be a look into why these companies like, fold my guess is its again, the investor/enshittification factor and not some secondary thing if that's true then in theory you could provided you had upkeep provided by a community of users actually maintain something like that e: I wonder if yospos would sponsor something like that Expo70 fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Expo70 posted:like there's also child pornography being hosted on google drive, and on geocities and on pretty much every service you can imagine This is generally not complained about because google / facebook / geocities: 1) will remove it as soon as it is pointed out to them, and actively report to law enforcement when they find it 2) the people putting it there are intentionally being sneaky to evade filters and hiding their activity 3) they don't make money from it in any direct way Whereas a number of actual porn sites were the complete opposite on all three counts. And their observed behavior was to keep doing the bad thing until threatened with being cut off from all payment processors. (None of this applies to gumroad afaik, and we still have zero clue why the gumroad thing happened. If the reason is just "people buy porn and then do chargebacks way too much" this whole conversation will look really stupid. In that case the problem for porn content creators is not the payment processors or the religious fanatics. It's that their main audience are lovely deadbeats.)
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Klyith posted:This is generally not complained about because google / facebook / geocities: off topic, but drat i wasn't aware of this  do you know where i could do some further reading? like, was there a study which revealed this, or some sort of investigation into the companies themselves, or whistle-blower or something? Klyith posted:(None of this applies to gumroad afaik, and we still have zero clue why the gumroad thing happened. If the reason is just "people buy porn and then do chargebacks way too much" this whole conversation will look really stupid. In that case the problem for porn content creators is not the payment processors or the religious fanatics. It's that their main audience are lovely deadbeats.) its more that the way that they classify nsfw content includes content which does go to lovely deadbeats because they treat nsfw content as a monolithic entity to justify puritanical views. The views are a lovely excuse save money that would be spent investigating stuff -- but its long been known that there is an extreme minority of content with extremely high charge-back rates because they're often used as channels to do fraud what kind of fraud? buying something, downloading it, doing chargeback and then distributing the content for ad money to make a profit which is really really really common and is how a lot of internet porn actually operates -- so everybody basically gets scalped and scraped its basically how most of the smaller content mills worked, and the same thing also now exists in general media ripping tv shows and movies, or even someone's entire youtube channel and packing it alongside mind-numbing minecraft jump-games on tiktok for monetizable views as slush content i'm genuinely pissed off that i don't remember the name of the documentary which went into the people actually doing this stuff, it was like a decade ago but yeah i'm VERY sure this has an influence on gumroad, and why chargebacks are taken seriously because they're used to defraud the platform and thus because the media is available through other channels this undermines the profitability of the creator and represents an existential risk to the company due to the losses incurred not just by the chargeback (13% of the sale after tax afaik) but also that if they're doing any side hustle investment that it fucks their liquidity  tl;dr: chargeback is often used to do fraud (scraping videos, streaming them for ads) which is why processors get mad about it its also why the number of redistribution porn sites dipped hard when adblockers got popular, and why primary sites conglomerated, due to the absurd price and difficulty getting into the good graces of and staying friends with VISA who basically have you by the balls over absurd poo poo Expo70 fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Expo70 posted:off topic, but drat i wasn't aware of this from page 1, which incidentally is how long pornhub has been a topic in this thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4056590&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1#post538407522
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Expo70 posted:off topic, but drat i wasn't aware of this https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/40-jane-does-sue-pornhub-for-hosting-girlsdoporn-videos-seeking-2m-each/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/nyregion/pornhub-aylo-profits-sex-trafficking.html It was resolved when the victims themselves finally sued pornhub and reached a settlement (monetary payment not public), and pornhub's parent company reached a deferred prosecution agreement with the Feds. And no, pornhub did the wrong thing at pretty much every turn. They deserve a loving  , not having mastercard and visa stop their cash flow for a week or two.
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Cassian of Imola posted:from page 1, which incidentally is how long pornhub has been a topic in this thread you realize that post is literally going against the very argument you yourself actually made, right?
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Klyith posted:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/40-jane-does-sue-pornhub-for-hosting-girlsdoporn-videos-seeking-2m-each/ thankyou . . . holy poo poo the sheer extent of this is nuts e: can we not just go back to the days of mom and pop porn sites where folks had ownership, access and control to their own material by virtue of hosting it themselves? yes I know the answer is "no, because aws ruined webhosting by being puritanical about it, and driving everybody else out by selling at a loss until their competitors all collapsed and they had near market dominance" gently caress this gay earth economics was a mistake e: it makes me wish we had like, a second internet where derivative markets are illegal and folks can host stuff at home if they want to and do load-sharing (lol) with their friends or w/e Expo70 fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Expo70 posted:you realize that post is literally going against the very argument you yourself actually made, right? well don't leave me in suspense. which argument and how
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Cassian of Imola posted:well don't leave me in suspense. which argument and how i'm not your babysitter, phyllis Expo70 fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Expo70 posted:i'm not your babysitter, phyllis no need to be demeaning
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this thread got so much worse than when i left it. i don't even know who to probate. maybe everyone
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Wasn't pornhub also linked to arms shipments as well? Not the company itself, but one of the major owners iirc
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:this thread got so much worse than when i left it. i don't even know who to probate. maybe everyone screw it, i'll eat a probe just to make it stop all i ask is you make it funny e: no, i don't mean a ban, i can't afford that a sixer with funny words will do (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Expo70 posted:screw it, i'll eat a probe just to make it stop ban this scum
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Expo70 posted:"but furries or pedos are so easy to scream loudly about, i don't want to have to think, thinking is hard let's have the easy topic" I wouldn't agree with this take 100%. Goons have repeatedly proven themselves too irresponsible to be able to post openly horny material on SA, at least as an aggregate. It's too insular or something, there's not enough critical mass to self correct? Whatever it is they get too weird and it ends up spiraling into some saga thread bullshit if it doesn't end with a strong probe or clean ban. There's sex positive and there's what the gently caress
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Cassian of Imola posted:oh you don't want to see porn on general-interest websites when you aren't looking for it? you're bothered by every major web company trying to juice ad revenue by making you horny 24/7? you think artists, writers, and streamers might not enjoy feeling like they have to compete with porn in every space on the internet? Lol?
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StrangersInTheNight posted:It was bad for a hot minute since it had no place to be, but yeah nowadays they've got it mostly roped off in its own area. Gumroad has done away with the spreading of any sort of ropes
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At the risk of making a useful post: I stumbled upon this. https://github.com/Qwaxi-Lixard/yes-porn-allowed A list of online services and their tolerance to NSFW (🌶) content. Hopefully it helps some in here that have been affected by this.
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It super sucks poo poo that people got assets froze tho, real rubbing salt on the wound there. Bad enough situation for everyone as it is already
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Just say the quiet part out loud already so you can stop your constant sidestepping that you think everyone that does porn is just as bad as pedophiles. It'll make it easier on everyone. jesus christ dude
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I think treating porn like it's the work of satan is weird, but I also think holding up consuming or paying for porn as a virtue is weird too, but I also just don't really want to know what people are getting off too. At the end of day everyone is too prudish and/or ostentatious, and they should be more like me, the perfect person with perfect opinions. Also, NF-Feet. Could make a buck or two. Just throwing that out there. I'll take 5%, very modest.
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syntaxfunction posted:Also, NF-Feet. Could make a buck or two. Just throwing that out there. I'll take 5%, very modest. NFFeets, putting feet pics on the cockchain.
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Paying for porn isn't virtuous but if you are consuming porn, doing that in a way where you directly paying the people who performed the labor is the least unethical way to do it.
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