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FrensaGeran posted:No they met briefly at the chopper landing site. There was no scene of Daniel asking Desmond detailed loving questions about men in red shoes. Daniel probably didn't even recognize him with the beard. I don't know, I agree that Eloise being a timecop isn't really explained that well, but introducing another pre-afterlife that's different from the one we see in season 6 just seems unnecessary.
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marktheando posted:I don't know, I agree that Eloise being a timecop isn't really explained that well, but introducing another pre-afterlife that's different from the one we see in season 6 just seems unnecessary. It just neatly explains FBYE, why he sees people dying in visions immediately after, and why strong electromagnetism jumps him into his purgatory. It actually makes Lost simpler.
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They should have done that long-promised Vincent flashback episode just to settle matters like this. *Vincent watches as Faraday steals Desmond's diary*
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marktheando posted:They should have done that long-promised Vincent flashback episode just to settle matters like this. Didn't ABC put the kibosh on this? Regardless, the closest we got were the LOST Missing Pieces episode where Christian told Vincent to go find Jack post crash.
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Does anyone else feel like it was unacceptable that they never told us why Miles and Hurley can talk to dead people? the little things I'm ok with (The Outrigger, ect.), and I enjoy the freedom that LOST gives to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves, but goddamnit guys. That was a major plot point, and it seems lazy to introduce it if they have no intention of answering it.
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Bad Sun posted:Does anyone else feel like it was unacceptable that they never told us why Miles and Hurley can talk to dead people? the little things I'm ok with (The Outrigger, ect.), and I enjoy the freedom that LOST gives to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves, but goddamnit guys. That was a major plot point, and it seems lazy to introduce it if they have no intention of answering it. No, there isn't a single possible answer to that question that would make sense. It's just a loving 6th sense they have, some people are special, most aren't. Hurley and Miles are special. Hearing/Talking to the dead doesn't actually happen, so no answer would satisfy you.
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Bad Sun posted:Does anyone else feel like it was unacceptable that they never told us why Miles and Hurley can talk to dead people? the little things I'm ok with (The Outrigger, ect.), and I enjoy the freedom that LOST gives to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves, but goddamnit guys. That was a major plot point, and it seems lazy to introduce it if they have no intention of answering it. It's explained, just not in a "bit by radioactive spider" way. There are "special" people born into this Lost's world with unique somewhat supernatural abilities. Hurley and Miles were just born gifted with a special ability like Desmond, the Man in Black, Walt and probably a number of other people we just never saw.
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Tardstar posted:it wasn't loving purgatory at the end anyway I can't believe... after like weeks and weeks, people still think it was purgatory...
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marktheando posted:I don't know, I agree that Eloise being a timecop isn't really explained that well, but introducing another pre-afterlife that's different from the one we see in season 6 just seems unnecessary. Eloise had Daniel's book. Daniel's book probably mentioned Desmond's consciousness time traveling which is why Eloise knew who Desmond was, what he did for the island, and also what he was trying to do when he was in the past. Eloise believed that time couldn't be altered because she had a book from her dead son who time traveled into the past. There is enough evidence for this and I don't see why the issue is. Daniel's book only explains so much of the timeline until a certain point it ends because Daniel saw no more which is why Eloise eventually says "I have no idea what is going to happen next."
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Bad Sun posted:Does anyone else feel like it was unacceptable that they never told us why Miles and Hurley can talk to dead people? the little things I'm ok with (The Outrigger, ect.), and I enjoy the freedom that LOST gives to the viewer to fill in the blanks themselves, but goddamnit guys. That was a major plot point, and it seems lazy to introduce it if they have no intention of answering it.
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:It's explained, just not in a "bit by radioactive spider" way. There are "special" people born into this Lost's world with unique somewhat supernatural abilities. Hurley and Miles were just born gifted with a special ability like Desmond, the Man in Black, Walt and probably a number of other people we just never saw. Was Desmond born with his power, or did he gain his power from turning the failsafe key?
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Wyld Cannon posted:Was Desmond born with his power, or did he gain his power from turning the failsafe key? On that subject did everyone have their abilities from birth or were they imbued? Y'know, Hurley, Miles, and the rest.
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Wyld Cannon posted:Was Desmond born with his power, or did he gain his power from turning the failsafe key? Desmond's is weird because of the time travel thing. Even if he gained it in 2004, it had a retroactive effect over his life going back at least to the 90s.
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So I hadn't watched Lost since the start of season 3, and I marathoned through the rest of the series this past week, which was a little overwhelming. The ending was a little "wait, what?", but after reading a bit, I think I understand it a little better, even if I'm not sure I loved it(The "It worked" reunion between Sawyer and Juliet was great, however). Season 6 seemed a little chaotic, even without the flashsideways, and it makes me think that it could have been so much more awesome if they had addressed the power of the island concepts a little earlier. I really enjoyed season 5 though; the time jumps, and the ideas about causality in general were interesting, which is why it was kind of annoying when the altverse turned out to be a spiritual thing, rather than a scientific thing. Maybe that's just another facet of the science vs. faith theme. Also, Juliet and Daniel were awesome, and the fact that neither of them were in Season 6 made me a little less interested. Ultimately, I felt as though in concept, Lost could have been the most fantastic thing ever, but the implementation was a bit disorganised, and the mysteries were too mysterious, for lack of a better word. Now to engage in compelling discussion, hopefully without looking like too much of an idiot.
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Eloise was special too. It's also obvious from the Desmond/Eloise encounter in The Lamppost that FBYE was Desmond's past. At that part the universe was just course correcting, so presumably Eloise had been able to go back in the past with her mind, or maybe she just understand enough about the universe to understand that the man in red shoes would die. It's irrelevant. She was special just like the others. I mean I want to support the afterlife theory, but I had forgotten about that encounter between Desmond and Eloise where he told her that she sent him to the Island. That suggests more than some puppet-master poo poo.
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Tardstar posted:it wasn't loving purgatory at the end anyway Hey, remember the part when the camera lovingly panned over symbols from all the major religions? Remember when a Christ figure was betrayed by one of his disciples, but people chose to follow him anyway after he was dead? Remember when he made post-death appearances to the faithful? Remember when he dunked Richard under the water three times, i.e. Baptized him? Remember when he and a Satan figure competed for the souls of the people on the island? If you deny that LOST is a religious allegory you are not only astonishingly ignorant of world religions, but you are also robbing yourself of a deeper understanding of the show. LOST isn't any the worse for exploring religion. The island is a genius parable for real life: we wake up in a place that we have no clue about. We slowly discover that it has strange rules and belief systems that seem contradictory.
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Johnny B. Goode posted:Eloise was special too. It's also obvious from the Desmond/Eloise encounter in The Lamppost that FBYE was Desmond's past. At that part the universe was just course correcting, so presumably Eloise had been able to go back in the past with her mind, or maybe she just understand enough about the universe to understand that the man in red shoes would die. It's irrelevant. She was special just like the others. You can have your cake and eat it too, mon frere. Desmond in FBYE thinks he's time traveling. So it's not too unusual for him to blame the apparent time cop for his eventual landing on the island. But I think the reason she doesn't categorically deny it is because his accusation was true in a more real, tangible sense. If Desmond had said "Yes it was you in the ring shop and and and the shoes and and fall in the bathroom and and cricket bat and PEENNNYYYYYYY" she would almost certainly be confused. I can't quite connect them all smoothly in my head, but let's say you know the name of someone whom your son will meet in 2004 and make his constant. Obviously by reading Daniel's journal they would've uncovered the exact purpose of a constant, and they also would've realized quite easily that the entirety of the notebook was on the island, Dharma, time travel, constants and electromagnetism. Daniel could have conceivably written about his personal experiences on the island, and how he met his constant in 2004. Oh, and nukes. Post-nuke, Eloise and Charles see that the Swan gets built anyways, that there's still an electromagnetic anomaly, and that their son was wrong. Whatever happens, happens. This is discouraging, and it's why Eloise is so forlorn when she tells young Daniel that he won't be playing piano, at least not in this life. He has an inescapable destiny in science, and perhaps Charles (or both of them) feel that the result of his actions (returning the time travelers to their original time) is much too important to ignore. But what to do with Desmond Hume? Well they knew that this man, by 2004, MUST be on the island. Their sons obsession with electromagnetism and time travel, something surely they embedded in him themselves, will of course begin to affect his mind, and he'll NEED a constant. They already know who that is, luckily. At this point it's vague. The picture of Eloise and Desmond's head monk makes me think that Desmond becoming a monk was absolutely Eloise's idea. This is interesting, because who of all people do they send to that monastery to pick up wine? Their daughter, Penny. Why? Well perhaps they thought if they could invest Desmond in something that they can control, they can control him. With Penny as the carrot on the stick, Charles Widmore can break his spirit when he's offered the job. Remind him about a very convenient sailing race, and then tell him how he's not brave or worthy of his daughter. A few short years later Desmond tries to prove his honor, and the rest is history. But let's be clear. Daniel Tiberius Faraday, at no point, could he have possibly written in his journal the multitudes of exactitudes of events of a very personal experience Desmond had. And you can't change the past. Not one atom. If Desmond REMEMBERS a different playing out of events that he himself experienced, it is against the rules for him to do anything differently. But he did do things different in FBYE. He remembers a different playing out of events. So does Eloise. It's as if they're both extracting knowledge from the same memory of events, and modifying it. That's purgatory. If, in "The Constant", Desmond had said at any point "Wait...wait I remember this happening! You're gonna take a rat named Eloise and hit it with a VALIS laser and time jump it!", at which point he starts doing things differently, then yeah, I'd say Desmond can slightly alter the past. But at no point does he do this. When he's in the past, mind-time-traveling, he's doing exactly what he always did, but never remembered. In FBYE, he remembers what he did, and chooses to do things differently. That's completely different and only explainable through purgatory.
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I'll never let go! Click here for the full 600x800 image.
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jazz babies posted:I'll never let go! I love that shirt!!
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jazz babies posted:I'll never let go! Are you single?
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Bad Sun posted:Remember when he dunked Richard under the water three times, i.e. Baptized him?  Thanks for that. I might never have realized it.
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Jul 3, 2010 20:11
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BIOJECT posted:Are you single? Pretty suave there antonio.
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BIOJECT posted:Are you single? Are you serious?
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Johnny B. Goode posted:Are you serious? BIOJECT posted:I would enslaved and prostitute Shagathon out to the officers. She would spend her days getting raped all of the time by desperate men... and the occasional woman. Her services would boost moral all throughout the fleet. If she ever gets pregnant, the crew could just discard the babies and continue with their sex. Why care about morals? She's a sex toy, a machine!
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh come on, it's like he's a gigantic creep or anythi- If that's him talking about what happened to Athena in Pegasus, then he's a loving psychopath. That's easily the most depressing / horrifying scene in any show that I know of.
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Johnny B. Goode posted:If that's him talking about what happened to Athena in Pegasus, then he's a loving psychopath. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jul 3, 2010 |
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BIOJECT posted:Are you single? Are you a terrible poster?
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Bad Sun posted:Hey, remember the part when the camera lovingly panned over symbols from all the major religions? Remember when a Christ figure was betrayed by one of his disciples, but people chose to follow him anyway after he was dead? Remember when he made post-death appearances to the faithful? Remember when he dunked Richard under the water three times, i.e. Baptized him? Remember when he and a Satan figure competed for the souls of the people on the island? I'm not denying lost has religious allegory i'm denying that you should put judeo-christian beliefs over others. Many people in this thread think the sideways world was literally purgatory
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So Smokey promised to bring back Isabella and Nadia. Does this mean he was willing to sleep with Sayid and Richard after taking the form of their wives? Anything to get off the island I guess.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh come on, it's like he's a gigantic creep or anythi- Wow that's an old quote being used there from the Battlestar Galactica thread. I'm so proud. 
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BIOJECT posted:Wow that's an old quote being used there from the Battlestar Galactica thread. I'm so proud. I was kinda hoping you would respond to my post, but uh... I really didn't expect that. drat.
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BIOJECT posted:Wow that's an old quote being used there from the Battlestar Galactica thread. I'm so proud. Who cares? Apparently you're as equally insane now as you were then?
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Time to call the cops I think
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Bioject may be the best troll ever, because for the longest time I was convinced he was actually retarded.
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Johnny B. Goode posted:Who cares? Apparently you're as equally insane now as you were then? Knaw you guys always have something up your rear end. You can't take a joke, you can't take sarcasm, and you can't handle the occasional extreme comment or nonconformist opinion. I'm not insane, I just tend to go against the grain because in my arrogance, I believe most people are stupid and ignorant and they drat don't think outside the box. They're like proletarians in 1984. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BIOJECT posted:Knaw you guys always have something up your rear end. You can't take a joke, you can't take sarcasm, and you can't handle the occasional extreme comment or nonconformist opinion. I'm not insane, I just tend to go against the grain because in my arrogance, I believe most people are stupid and ignorant and they drat don't think outside the box. They're like proletarians in 1984. How are you not banned
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Friendly Factory posted:How are you not banned OldSenileGuy quoted the weed part of his post and replied "DING DING DING DING DING" BIOJECT then quoted that post with the reply: BIOJECT posted:Drr I'm stupid and close-minded. He was promptly banned for mod sass. Much to everyone's disappointment, he reregged.
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BIOJECT also spoiled the volcano thing from an interview Cuse gave or something, and I reported him, after which he was probated for a month or whatever. However, Aatrek reversed it because some doofus said that it wasn't a spoiler. Of course it was in the end.
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