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Aventine posted:Yeah, what the gently caress really. People were expecting too much from a 12 minute epilogue. Its more of a tipping the hat to the fans rather than a final chapter. I had actually hoped for some fun and hilarious banter between Hurley and Ben.
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Brocktoon posted:I found the Epilogue to be at best "wholly unnecessary" and at worst "catering to the whiners". While it's always great seeing more Lost the "answers" supplied were all either something I had extrapolated myself from the show's narrative (food drops, polar bears) or were things I really don't give a poo poo about (Hurley bird? Really?). Really? I found it to be a middle finger to whiners.
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Aug 26, 2010 20:51
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geeves posted:I had actually hoped for some fun and hilarious banter between Hurley and Ben. Yeah same here; that was the only way it disappointed me. illumn8d posted:Really? I found it to be a middle finger to whiners. I'd say it depends on which kind of whiner.
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Aug 26, 2010 20:54
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There were a lot of questions that were much more "important" than the ones answered in the epilogue, but it actually dealt with two of the issues I cared about being wrapped up the most. The food drop and Walt were the only two things that had ever really left a bad taste in my mouth about never being answered. Narratively I had felt cheated on them, while I never felt cheated on the light or the hieroglyphics or whatever most people seem to care about.
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Aug 26, 2010 20:57
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I've always been confused about them having two islands, the main one and Hydra island. I thought it was a lovely plot point to suddenly have a reason to go "nope..you want that island over there!" Never in the series do they say, "Move the Islands"
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Aug 26, 2010 21:24
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illumn8d posted:Really? I found it to be a middle finger to whiners. How so? They went out of their way to answer questions in the most straightforward and unambiguous way possible. It's just short having someone stand in front of the camera and read a list, which is what a lot of the complainers seemed to want. I would have rather had something more story oriented and fun. The worst parts of Season 6 for me seemed to be a result of forcing the story to fit the end or forcing the story to appease fans, and the short seemed like more of that. :/
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Aug 26, 2010 21:26
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If you ever really worried about the food drops you're a terrible viewer. I MEAN JEEZ WHY WOULD THEY PUT THEM IN DHARMA PACKAGES AND EVERYTHING *has it explained in a goofy video* I DONT LIKE THAT ESPLANTATION
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Aug 26, 2010 21:26
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The only questions I really wanted answers to were why Walt was so special and why Libby had the sailboat. They touched on it nicely with the video and they already said they dropped the Libby stuff. Maybe the encyclopedia will answer more. Besides, what would people do for the next 30 years if all the answers were given? You can only over analyze 2 and a half men for so long.
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Aug 26, 2010 21:31
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geeves posted:I had actually hoped for some fun and hilarious banter between Hurley and Ben.
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Aug 26, 2010 21:33
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Invalid Validation posted:The only questions I really wanted answers to were why Walt was so special and why Libby had the sailboat. They touched on it nicely with the video and they already said they dropped the Libby stuff. Maybe the encyclopedia will answer more. Besides, what would people do for the next 30 years if all the answers were given? Walt is special because he has psychic powers. Do you really want more of an explanation than that? That way leads to midiclorians.
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Aug 26, 2010 21:37
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Invalid Validation posted:The only questions I really wanted answers to were why Walt was so special and why Libby had the sailboat. They touched on it nicely with the video and they already said they dropped the Libby stuff. Maybe the encyclopedia will answer more. Besides, what would people do for the next 30 years if all the answers were given? Walt has ESP and quasi Jean Grey like powers. I thought that was really all that was to him. Libby I think they were going to talk about more but since a) she was fired and b) they shortened seasons to get rid of "How Jack got his tattoo back" type epsides so since she was already dead, why bother telling her story? Invalid Validation posted:You can only over analyze 2 and a half men for so long. This could be a bit of a generation thing. Now you can google every single aspect of a show. You can get imdb fact, fan sites, blogs, pod casts, fan fiction, production crew posting on message boards, etc. 20 years ago, you were limited to maybe a fanzine or TV Guide interview or a converstaion with your friends. You kinda made up your own interpretation of what happend and that was that. However now you have a generation were most members need if not demand gratification and an answer for every single question there is. Imagine Fantasy Island if it aired today. People would be flamming each other explaining the mysteries of Mr. Roarke's origin.
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Aug 26, 2010 21:40
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marktheando posted:Walt is special because he has psychic powers. Do you really want more of an explanation than that? That way leads to midiclorians. Only thing he ever really did was show up to Locke and Shannon once. At least with Miles and Hurley they actually had a use for their power and you could tell it was more psychic, Walt was just kinda lingering around and you really don't know why the hell they spent so much time hyping him up to be the next coming of Jes.....Jacob. Don't get so bent out of shape I really don't care that much I just think the those things were dropped harder than the other stupid things people are complaining about. Does it help the story at all if we know who was on the canoe shooting? Not really. Does kind of matter what Libby was doing with the same boat Desmond had. Invalid Validation fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 26, 2010 |
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Aug 26, 2010 21:54
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Invalid Validation posted:Only thing he ever really did was show up to Locke and Shannon once. Could this have been MIB trying to set things in motion?
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Aug 26, 2010 22:02
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Although they should just make a feature length movie of lost in a few years just so it would end up being poo poo like every other TV series movie just to piss people off even more.
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Aug 26, 2010 22:02
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Invalid Validation posted:why Libby had the sailboat. You're kidding... right?
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Aug 26, 2010 22:08
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geeves posted:You're kidding... right? Oh excuse me, they did mention it in a deleted scene. How the gently caress could I have missed that? So sorry.
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Aug 26, 2010 22:10
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Libby was fired? What?
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Invalid Validation posted:Only thing he ever really did was show up to Locke and Shannon once. At least with Miles and Hurley they actually had a use for their power and you could tell it was more psychic, Walt was just kinda lingering around and you really don't know why the hell they spent so much time hyping him up to be the next coming of Jes.....Jacob. Well they hosed up there by hyping him up as a major part of the show's future, forgetting that children grow. I think they said most of the stuff they had planned for Walt was given to other characters instead. And Walt also used his powers to make birds fly into his window, and to freak out his stepdad. Remember when Miss Klugh was interrogating Michael? Has he ever appeared anywhere he shouldn't be etc etc. She was basically listing Walt's powers. Invalid Validation posted:Don't get so bent out of shape I really don't care that much I just think the those things were dropped harder than the other stupid things people are complaining about. Does it help the story at all if we know who was on the canoe shooting? Not really. Does kind of matter what Libby was doing with the same boat Desmond had. I don't think anyone gets bent out of shape, it's just that the point of this thread is to explain things in a kind of 'in universe' way. The true answer to many questions is often going to be something like 'the writers forgot' or 'that actor left' but where's the fun in giving those answers? I think this thread has taught me that people get annoyed at some unexplained things, and aren't bothered by others. What these things are varies from person to person. And of course some people get annoyed at things that were explained, either because they don't realise they were explained or because they don't like the explanation. tadashi posted:Libby was fired? What? 
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tadashi posted:Libby was fired? What?
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HOW DID LIBBY GET HER BOAT? It was her husbands and she received it when he died. WHAT? HOW DID SHE GET THE BOAT? I WANT ANSWERS
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Aug 26, 2010 23:26
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Until I see the property deed in her name then Lost is full of holes.
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Aug 26, 2010 23:31
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Johnny B. Goode posted:HOW DID LIBBY GET HER BOAT? Husband?!?!
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Invalid Validation posted:Oh excuse me, they did mention it in a deleted scene. How the gently caress could I have missed that? So sorry. I remember this being in the season finale to season 2. I don't watch the deleted scenes. Did I go insane?
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Aug 27, 2010 00:40
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Jack Gladney posted:I remember this being in the season finale to season 2. I don't watch the deleted scenes. You're not insane. Not even close. You just need to get back to the island. I haven't seen any of the deleted scenes either and I seem to remember her saying it was her husband's boat.
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Aug 27, 2010 00:44
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Definitely her husband's boat. She tells the story to Desmond in a coffee shop after she buys his drink for him. The husband had died or something if I recall, and so she donates it to Des for him to attempt his race around the world.
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marktheando posted:Well they hosed up there by hyping him up as a major part of the show's future, forgetting that children grow. Umm, no. They'd probably planned to bring him back with the O6, but he sucked and didn't want to do it or something.
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Another revelation from the epilogue that amazes me is that they had drum n bass music in the 70's to play in room 23. Truly DHARMA was more advanced than we knew.
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Jack Gladney posted:Another revelation from the epilogue that amazes me is that they had drum n bass music in the 70's to play in room 23. Indeed. Imagine if the Dharma DJ kept developing his music from 1977 on; perhaps we owe techno music to the DI. A blessing and a curse, like many things. That revelation ups the ante though, and makes the Others seem like total wimps. What a weird dynamic between the two - the DI was clearly intimidated to some degree by the Hostiles, hence their rather dramatic defenses. In turn, the Hostiles seemed quite cocky in their dealings with the DI. And yet it is the DI which is pushing ALL over the Island(s), building roads and hatches and secret this and thats.... while, we learn, sometimes abducting Hostiles and brainwashing them. And this was the truce? Sounds to me like the Hostiles got told to stand down, rather than any sort of chosen truce. Jacob's work, no doubt - he wanted the DI there. And thus, we learn the true meaning of Room 23 - a way for the DI to learn about "Island Deity" Jacob.
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LooseChanj posted:Umm, no. They'd probably planned to bring him back with the O6, but he sucked and didn't want to do it or something. Haha, they didn't even have a show bible until season 2. They didn't plan dick. And they especially did not plan that everyone would leave the island and return with Walt way back in season 1 when they hyped him up. They were dumb, wrote themselves into a corner, then wrote a way out.
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I'm way over it at this point, so I wasn't frustrated while watching the epilogue - but it did make me roll my eyes. Either it was a middle-finger to fans demanding "answers," or they just don't understand the reasons some people were disappointed in the first place. The show is fictional, so just having "answers" are irrelevant in and of themselves. If you make a bunch of mysteries, people don't want a one sentence answer, no matter how reasonable or logical said answer is. When you're invested in a show for years, and spend time thinking about these mysteries, you want the answer to mean something. You want it to affect the narrative in some way, or to have some kind of meaning that makes you look at prior events in a new (and more interesting) light. The epilogue was so on-the-nose with its answers that I'd really lean towards parody, except they did that in the main show too like with Michael revealing that the whispers were trapped souls. That was an unsatisfying answer, yes, for the way it was delivered. But it was also intrinsically unsatisfying, wholly outside of the delivery, because it didn't mean anything. It didn't clarify anything about all the prior times whispers were heard (if anything, it's a point for those who say they made it all up as they went, as this explanation doesn't fit with prior scenes at all), and they didn't even go on to do anything with the whispers in the remaining episodes. It was an answer just for answers sake, and it was terrible. Just as a counter example of a decent answer, I'd say I did like where the polar bears came from. Not that it was an amazing "holy poo poo, this loving show" moment like the better Lost reveals, but at least it was a mystery whose explanation was linked to an important part of the narrative. When they get on the island and see polar bears, they have no clue where they could have come from. The fact that scientists brought them isn't super exciting, but the fact that scientists were on the island was a previously unknown fact and the polar bears were one of many clues leading up to the reveal. And those scientists played a part in the greater narrative - they weren't just a throwaway line, never to be mentioned again. Neo_Reloaded fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Aug 27, 2010 |
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FrensaGeran posted:Until I see the property deed in her name then Lost is full of holes. I mean, is Libby even a US citizen? We need to see her birth certificate.
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Vivek posted:I mean, is Libby even a US citizen? We need to see her birth certificate. I think it's mentioned in the Lostpedia that she was born in Hawaii, so no, she's not a citizen.
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:Haha, they didn't even have a show bible until season 2. They didn't plan dick. And they especially did not plan that everyone would leave the island and return with Walt way back in season 1 when they hyped him up. Pretty sure you're completely wrong here. People were saying exactly what you're saying here for years, and the creators said "hey we have a plan, trust us". I honestly doubt they would have cast a kid about to get hit by the fist of an angry puberty god if they weren't planning for that three year gap from nearly the get-go. It's pretty clear the rescue and time off-island/with Dharma was going to be the explanation for why Walt had pubes when he returned after leaving at the end of season 2. I'd be willing to bet, if we could ever get the answers out of Darlton, that Hurley got the lion's share of Walt's post-rescue storyline.
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Sizzlechest posted:I think it's mentioned in the Lostpedia that she was born in Hawaii, so no, she's not a citizen. And she just stood there while Eko and Charlie built a place of worship so close to the actual crash site.
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Neo_Reloaded posted:I'm way over it at this point, so I wasn't frustrated while watching the epilogue - but it did make me roll my eyes. Either it was a middle-finger to fans demanding "answers," or they just don't understand the reasons some people were disappointed in the first place. You are not way over it.
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Merauder posted:Definitely her husband's boat. She tells the story to Desmond in a coffee shop after she buys his drink for him. The husband had died or something if I recall, and so she donates it to Des for him to attempt his race around the world. Thank you! 
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Bonzo posted:And she just stood there while Eko and Charlie built a place of worship so close to the actual crash site. 
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LooseChanj posted:Pretty sure you're completely wrong here. People were saying exactly what you're saying here for years, and the creators said "hey we have a plan, trust us". I honestly doubt they would have cast a kid about to get hit by the fist of an angry puberty god if they weren't planning for that three year gap from nearly the get-go. It's pretty clear the rescue and time off-island/with Dharma was going to be the explanation for why Walt had pubes when he returned after leaving at the end of season 2. I'd be willing to bet, if we could ever get the answers out of Darlton, that Hurley got the lion's share of Walt's post-rescue storyline. I really don't think they were looking that far ahead in that much detail when creating Walt's character. I'm willing to bet that they just didn't expect the kid to start growing so fast.
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qa6 posted:I really don't think they were looking that far ahead in that much detail when creating Walt's character. I'm willing to bet that they just didn't expect the kid to start growing so fast. It's really not that much detail, all they'd have needed to know beforehand was that at some point some of the crash survivors were going to get off the island, and return after some period of time. It's the show's arc boiled down to almost nothing.
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