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Got a Mazda2 yesterday. It owns.
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Jan 21, 2012 19:49
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KozmoNaut posted:I had to test it out because I never ever do it (loldiesel), but I can definitely left-foot brake in my Panda without the throttle cutting out. I tried this on the way home and the us 500 will let you apply both as well. Holdbrooks fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Jan 21, 2012 21:48
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Phone posted:Got a Mazda2 yesterday. It owns. I'd much rather have a Mazda2 than either a Mini or a 500, and I actually own a Cooper S.
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Jan 21, 2012 23:04
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Nodoze posted:I'd much rather have a Mazda2 than either a Mini or a 500, and I actually own a Cooper S. If there was a Mazdaspeed 2, I'd agree with you so much.
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Jan 21, 2012 23:07
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KozmoNaut posted:If there was a Mazdaspeed 2, I'd agree with you so much. A turbo mazda2 would be awesome, I am surprised there aren't any kits out yet (unless I have missed the release since I last looked)
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Jan 21, 2012 23:24
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There's some sketchy rear end guy in TX doing something, and in Japan there's a company that made a Rotrex kit that's good for an extra 50-60whp with running another ECU in parallel. The problem I'm having is that I know the Hawk shape and thickness for the front pads, it's just that I can't find any in the right compound. I'm definitely going to do a season of autocross in it, and it looks like I might be going up to VIR in April with it. Gotta hit that 115mph top speed, man.
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Jan 22, 2012 00:03
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KozmoNaut posted:If there was a Mazdaspeed 2, I'd agree with you so much. If there was a Mazdaspeed2, I would be camping at a goddamn dealership until they delivered it. One was built for SEMA using the 263hp 2.3L DISI from the Mazdaspeed3/6. Instant 1000lb weight reduction on the MS3? 
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Jan 22, 2012 00:17
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The basic Mazda2 is ~550lbs lighter than the 3. If you used the same drive train in both cars the difference will be much less.
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Jan 22, 2012 00:32
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dissss posted:The basic Mazda2 is ~550lbs lighter than the 3. Mazda2: 2306 Mazdaregular3: 2896 Mazdaspeed3: 3281 Uh....
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Jan 22, 2012 00:40
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Phone posted:Mazda2: 2306 My point is once you cram all the Mazdaspeed bits into the 2 chassis you aren't going to see anything like that difference.
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Jan 22, 2012 00:42
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The weight difference between the regular 3 and the Speed3 is 400lbs, so using theorycrafting: The theoretical Speed2 would be 700lbs lighter than the Speed3.
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Jan 22, 2012 00:47
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Nodoze posted:I'd much rather have a Mazda2 than either a Mini or a 500, and I actually own a Cooper S. In 500 news, my local dealer (Costa Mesa, CA) is keeping their first Abarth as a demo car. They are going to have it in early March for test drives. I'm kind of conflicted since I've grown to love the 2 so much, but every time I see a picture of an Abarth, I think how could I not get one of those?
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Jan 22, 2012 03:27
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hedge posted:I own a 2 and a Cooper S. There are definitely ways in which I prefer the 2, even though I adore the Cooper. Despite owning one, I don't really like Minis that much anymore. The best thing about it is the floor mounted gas pedal
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Jan 22, 2012 05:03
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hedge posted:I own a 2 and a Cooper S. There are definitely ways in which I prefer the 2, even though I adore the Cooper. Could you elaborate on this? Just curious how they compare.
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Jan 22, 2012 05:35
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leica posted:Could you elaborate on this? Just curious how they compare. - Shift linkage - Steering feel - No torque steer - No bump steer - Better ride (15" steel wheels vs. 17" alloys with "sport" suspension) - More neutral handling The Cooper S is better because: - Driving position (the 2 is kind of awkward, but not nearly as bad as the 500) - Gearing (6-speed so there isn't a humongous gap between 1st and 2nd) - More direct clutch engagement - Power, obviously - Lift off oversteer  - Less body roll - Highway stability - Generally more substantial feel - Features, although to be fair my Cooper S cost more than double what I paid for the 2 This sums up my feelings on the 2 pretty well (warning: The Truth About Cars). quote:the Mazda2 accelerates like a small dog attached to a fat person by one of those retractable leads. With only 100hp on tap and peak torque coming in at lofty 4000 rpm, the ’2 was never going to be a barn burner. Still, as the hatch buzzes energetically off the line in first gear, you can’t help thinking, “Well, it is pretty light…” And then you shift into second and fall into a power vacuum from which even the most energetic flooring provides only a molasses-slow escape. TheGoatTrick fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Jan 22, 2012 06:47
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dissss posted:My point is once you cram all the Mazdaspeed bits into the 2 chassis you aren't going to see anything like that difference. Supposedly the SEMA car kept curb weight very close to factory Mazda2 levels, but I suspect they may have done that by gutting the interior. I still say the 2 I test-drove reminded me of why I fell in love with the Miata in the first place, but without the things that would eventually tire me (super cramped interior, convertible top).
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Jan 22, 2012 07:43
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hedge posted:The 2 is better because: I was going to say the Mini doesn't have snap oversteer but evidently it does. I've never had it happen to me. Isn't this a bad thing for the car to have?
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Jan 22, 2012 08:52
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I would never have thought the 2 had better steering feel than a Mini. Interesting and encouraging. The 2 is the first new car I have actually wanted in a long time, but it is impossible for me to justify buying one new. Gonna have to wait at least five years or more until the prices come down on them 
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Jan 22, 2012 17:42
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Nodoze posted:I was going to say the Mini doesn't have snap oversteer but evidently it does. I've never had it happen to me. Isn't this a bad thing for the car to have? Only if you have no idea it's there and do something stupid to cause it.
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Jan 22, 2012 17:54
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Nodoze posted:I was going to say the Mini doesn't have snap oversteer but evidently it does. I've never had it happen to me. Isn't this a bad thing for the car to have? Leica, both cars have electric power steering. But Mazda has figured it out (see RX8) and BMW hasn't (see current 5-series). I'm sure that the lighter wheel/tire combo on the Mazda helps too.
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Jan 22, 2012 19:39
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hedge posted:It's not like lifting mid corner will put you sideways or anything. If you're going wide in a corner you can basically just use the throttle to make minor corrections. Or larger corrections in my case, since I have a 22 mm rear sway bar. I have a 22m rear sway bar too, do you have an R53? The mini has a notorious problem with the power steering fan failing too, which will kill the pump eventually. The steering feel is alright, but the newer Mazda's I have driven feel really nice
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Jan 22, 2012 20:43
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Nodoze posted:I have a 22m rear sway bar too, do you have an R53?
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Jan 22, 2012 21:01
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Even the Mazda2 with the 2.0L skyactiv would be pretty rockin
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Jan 23, 2012 16:20
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Even the Mazda2 with the 2.0L skyactiv would be pretty rockin Sort of like the old Fiesta RS, then. That was a pretty cool car, 150hp 2.0L in a tiny hatchback equals great fun. Although a turbo 1.6L with the same power output would be much more likely, I think.
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Jan 23, 2012 17:39
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I dunno, a Skyactiv would fit with their push on everything else. More (or at least same as the 100hp lump) fuel economy and 60% more power? Sign me up.
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Jan 23, 2012 18:03
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Have you guys seen the new Abarth commercial? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjYxE2VD7VE
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Mar 2, 2012 19:50
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Have you guys seen the new Abarth commercial?
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Mar 2, 2012 20:03
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InitialDave posted:Too much CG. They should have done it for real, even if it cost them a couple of cars and some set decoration. They should have been more accurate and had Charlie banging a hooker while snorting blow off of the rear view mirror.
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Mar 2, 2012 20:19
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What the hell is going on with Sheen's hair?
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Mar 2, 2012 20:36
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I was talking with a dealer and they mentioned the Abarth would be about 30K up here in Canada.
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Mar 2, 2012 21:51
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Jay-Zeus posted:I was talking with a dealer and they mentioned the Abarth would be about 30K up here in Canada. Ouch. Abarth or Toyobaru? Not the toughest choice in the world.
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Mar 3, 2012 11:10
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Have you guys seen the new Abarth commercial? That ad is loving pathetic. It looks like they hired some high school AV room kid to make it. To go from their awesome commercial with the hot chick to this? That's kinda embarrassing.
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Mar 3, 2012 17:12
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I think there is some misunderstanding here? The Sheen ad is the one that they ended up NOT running - it was for the superbowl, they ran the other one with the girl instead. They're just releasing it now as sort of bonus youtube material, right?
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Mar 3, 2012 17:38
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Jalopnik has driven the US spec Abarth. 5 speed manual is the only trans available, thank god. Engine bay. Either the engine is really small or the battery really big.  As an aside I hope they start adappting the Multiair technology to Chrysler's OHV engines soon, as it seems to be a perfect fit for them. Multiair Viper would be pretty sweet.  
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Mar 3, 2012 22:21
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KozmoNaut posted:Ouch. I'm trying to make the exact same decision. I am kinda leaning towards the Abarth since I have a feeling insurance is going to be insane for the toybaru and I don't want to be associated with the people who are probably going to be the prime demographic for it.
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Mar 3, 2012 22:42
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Negromancer posted:I'm trying to make the exact same decision. I am kinda leaning towards the Abarth since I have a feeling insurance is going to be insane for the toybaru and I don't want to be associated with the people who are probably going to be the prime demographic for it. Don't. As much as I love small Fiats and drive a platform-mate of the 500 myself, the Abarth is still just a tarted-up FWD hatchback with a really harsh suspension setup. The Toyobaru is built from the ground up to be low-cost RWD sports car that is hella fun to drive.
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Mar 3, 2012 23:22
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Drive em both, buy whatever you want. edit: 22K US plus destination is pretty decent. Cooper S is 23,8 plus destination so cooper's about 8% more expensive. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Mar 4, 2012 |
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Mar 4, 2012 00:07
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KozmoNaut posted:Don't. Actually, I would sodding love to see that as a group test. All the cars on that list in the Toyobaru thread doing a wheel-to-wheel race around a circuit.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:27
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InitialDave posted:The only way to resolve this is to bring out your Subaru demonstrator and Fiat demonstrator to a quiet country road and see which one can get away from the other. Road and Track does poo poo like that sometimes...not wheel-to-wheel, but lap times with times for different track sections.
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Mar 4, 2012 01:05
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Jesus that engine bay, I would not want to be working on that thing
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