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Harlock posted:The goal and focus is all over the place, not to mention the video seems like a blatant troll in what media it includes. I'm more surprised it has so few down-votes so far, but I suppose people don't care enough to even look it up.
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Still a ton of time left, hope it picks up. I totally missed the first attempt and was happy to donate this time around since it looks pretty close to my ideal game in the genre.
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Electric Pope posted:In other news, it seems that Skyjacker has slowed to only a few hundred dollars a day at well less than 50%. It did much better than its first time around, but it still seems really unlikely it will make it. They've still got over a month left. I may just overly optimistic, but it's my hope that if they ramp up updates, they can still drag in enough attention. I know some people have complained about update spam, but I really do think that for big-ticket kickstarters like this one, silence is death.
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Lord Lambeth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-sjAICwKg If you couldn't tell this was an obvious joke then I'm really sorry.
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I'm surprised that no one has linked this sandbox mmo that is currently in development. http://www.embersofcaerus.com/ Developed by Forsaken Studios, they are currently kick-starting to build an investor prototype. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forsakenstudios/embers-of-caerus-investor-prototype In order to drum up support and seduce an investor they are currently running with this "I give a buck about sandbox gaming" gimmick which lets you pledge a single dollar to show that sandbox full loot pvp games are actually in demand.  They did a whole week of developer diaries that you can watch on their website, and they were at E3 last weekend. These guys are currently over funded, one guy even pledged 10K to the cause. The devs all come from various backgrounds including UO, Darkfall, Mortal Online, EVE and many other full loot pvp style games. There has been a lot of attempts by indie developers over the years to create the perfect sandbox mmo so here is another one to pin all our hopes on. They seem to actually communicate with their fan base, which for any Darkfall or Mortal Online fan is a freaking miracle. With only 30 or so hours to go they have now set a stretch goal of 50,000 dollars which would let them license the software they are using to build the game and buy a whole bunch of crap which games development types use like crack and whiskey. quote:As suggested by our community, we decided to start our own Kickstarter campaign, which would allow us to continue working on the game while maintaining full creative control over our vision, ultimately allowing us to bring you the game we all hope Embers of Caerus will become. Thankfully we had great early success, reaching our initial target of $25,000 within just 6 days! I thought I would give them a hand and make sure that it was at LEAST posted to SA. Styxscout fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jun 18, 2012 |
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Their stretch goal is to acquire the licences they need? For an MMO they only need to raise 25k to make the prototype and then EA or Activision or whomever is going to totally going to give them the 100 million dollars they actually need to make the game in an era where subscription-based MMOs are slowly dying out? This project seems like a good way to get rid of your extra money, at least.
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I also like that their "promotion" is basically you give us money and in return you will have given us more money in the name of sandbox full loot pvp pride. Also, reading the kickstarter it looks like this "The devs all come from various backgrounds including UO, Darkfall, Mortal Online, EVE and many other full loot pvp style games." thing means that they've played these games, not that they worked on them.
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Al! posted:I also like that their "promotion" is basically you give us money and in return you will have given us more money in the name of sandbox full loot pvp pride. That kickstarter has got to be one of the most naive ones I've seen so far. Good luck getting even a basic prototype for that kind of money. They'd need to tack a couple more zeroes on to the thing. I'm not really sure if they're just ignorant of what it takes to make an mmo, or if they just want free money. Either way that's money poorly spent.
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Kyrosiris posted:No, but you see, it's ~*~sandbox PVP~*~. It totally has a huge silent majority audience just teeming under the surface, waiting for the Right MMO. What like All Points Bulletin? (Which I would've bought the poo poo out of it were it a normal single player game. That loving character creator was amazing)
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ekuNNN posted:They're not at their goal yet! Yeah, plus Dead State is in that lull where everyone sees they're 86% funded with more than half of their time still remaining and the incentive to donate is pretty weak. That piled on top of the fact that the reaction to their rewards has been lukewarm at best, I don't see this getting completely funded any time soon. I just hope they pull it together in time to blow as far past their goal as they can in the final super-donation hours.
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Are people who missed the boat on Ultima Online / are still nostalgic for it still this gullible after getting ripped off again and again and again? Can't say I feel bad for anyone who pledges money to a project that will be a spectacular failure. I'd place more faith in Your World.
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I saw some google alerts that you lot had found my kickstarter (Retrovirus) and figured I'd come in to introduce myself. I normally haunt the EJ forums, and I'm the retard going from EJ to SA instead of the other way around. The game is a six-axis shooter like Descent, as has been pointed out. We played a ton of multiplayer this weekend at a testing LAN party and had a great time with it. If you have any questions, comments, etc. on Retrovirus, I'm all ears!
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Did you see a jump in traffic when Rock Paper Shotgun mentioned you? I'm curious how much getting on their radar matters.
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Did you see a jump in traffic when Rock Paper Shotgun mentioned you? I'm curious how much getting on their radar matters. If that was on the 15th or 16th I'd say it made a difference http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/cadenzainteractive/retrovirus/
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Did you see a jump in traffic when Rock Paper Shotgun mentioned you? I'm curious how much getting on their radar matters. RPS accounts for about 25% of our total revenue between their two posts, one this saturday and one the saturday prior. Pretty good considering it was at the bottom of the page and in mixed company. Their last bit on us was a pretty solid thumbs up too.
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Kyrosiris posted:No, but you see, it's ~*~sandbox PVP~*~. It totally has a huge silent majority audience just teeming under the surface, waiting for the Right MMO. PoisonedV posted:Are people who missed the boat on Ultima Online / are still nostalgic for it still this gullible after getting ripped off again and again and again? Can't say I feel bad for anyone who pledges money to a project that will be a spectacular failure. I'd place more faith in Your World. That's because people think like you guys that the MMO genre will probably never evolve beyond Wow clones. Believe it or not but there are people, not necessarily UO vets, that love sandbox MMO. There are still custom servers being run and developed for UO right about now (Even a group of Goons is currently working on one : http://www.relpor.com/). You will never achieve the level of adrenaline you can get in such a game. A big studios will never risk so much money on an MMO that is not vaguely resembling WOW in some way or has a juicy real money auction house or micro transactions. Also a prototype for an MMO, and I emphasize here the word Prototype, should largely be possible with that kind of money. Nowadays with engines capability setting a client / server architecture with a database behind it is not rocket science any more. They won't be able to implement everything they want but that's not the goal of a Prototype anyway. If people are waiting for Blizzard or any big publishers to push the genre I think we'll be waiting for a long time. That Retrovirus game looks really nice, pledged 15$ hope you guys will reach your goal.
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I'd love a sandbox MMO or maybe even a toolset MMO like Neverwinter Nights, but I don't think Kickstarter is the model that will help it get made, except maybe the latter one. MMO's cost way too much money for a Kickstarter to launch it.
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People have been trying to make that ~Perfect Dream Sandbox PvP No Classes No Levels MMO~ for years now and they've all bombed because when you solely advertise the game as a big grief sandbox, nobody wants to play. The only successful open world MMO in that vein is EVE, and it works in the same way UO actually worked, it draws in multiple types of players, and not just PRO PK BANDITS, and then the game mechanics sometimes force them to interact, which causes the stuff that people remember. UO was the same way. This project is really no different from Darkfall or Mortal, it's trying to recreate something that never actually existed outside of a bunch of rose tinted memories.
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Lord Lambeth posted:What like All Points Bulletin? (Which I would've bought the poo poo out of it were it a normal single player game. That loving character creator was amazing) Like every "hardcore PVP MMO" ever. People always imagine that there's this huge mass of players who ABSOLUTELY WANT TO play a game where you can murder someone and steal all their poo poo and ruin five weeks of work. Then it turns out that no, just a few crazies do and everyone else kind of looks in, shakes their head and walks away.
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cydereal posted:I saw some google alerts that you lot had found my kickstarter (Retrovirus) and figured I'd come in to introduce myself. I normally haunt the EJ forums, and I'm the retard going from EJ to SA instead of the other way around. Real stupid question, but the $30 support tier includes a copy of the final game as well as access to the beta? The text mentions that you'll get a copy of the soundtrack, not the game.
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Le0 posted:Believe it or not but there are people, not necessarily UO vets, that love sandbox MMO. Clearly. No one is discounting this. People are discounting the insinuation that there are enough to maintain an subscription-based MMO, especially when it is postulated as basically a griefer's playground and not anything of merit.
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Overall it just seems like for many people the competitive game with persistence itch is scratched quite well by existing PVP games(anything from Call of Duty to Dota), virtually all of which have persistence, leveling up, gear, etc, with much more predictable and well-designed environments, less serious lag limitations, and a clear winner and loser. edit: Also the standard RPG mechanics of getting more powerful as you level up, when they're applied to a permanent character in a PVP game, spoil competition. If ultimately a PVP encounter is just as likely to come down to who has played the game for more hours as it is to come down to who is actually more skilled, it is not a good competitive game and probably shouldn't involve PVP. Fergus Mac Roich fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Ryaomon posted:If you couldn't tell this was an obvious joke then I'm really sorry.
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Talking about sandbox MMOs and no one has mentioned Face of Mankind yet? For shame.
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Lord Lambeth posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw-sjAICwKg Hey we have no idea about critical gender theory or any other theory that might actually have some sort of authoritarive input on the topic, but we're going to make a video anyway because seriously guys its insulting to be represented as heroic warriors with perfect values and a phoenix-from-the-flames ability to rise above insurmountable odds and save the world around us. Its insulting to be represented as important. Its insul...oh gently caress me in the eye. Dipshits.
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duck monster posted:Hey we have no idea about critical gender theory or any other theory that might actually have some sort of authoritarive input on the topic, but we're going to make a video anyway because seriously guys its insulting to be represented as heroic warriors with perfect values and a phoenix-from-the-flames ability to rise above insurmountable odds and save the world around us. Its insulting to be represented as important. Its insul...oh gently caress me in the eye. This is precisely why it bugs me that a lot of people's response, no matter how well meaning, to someone critiquing gender in video games is "somebody should do one for men!" There are a lot of things to criticize about the white male (first world) power fantasy that makes up most video games but that it is insulting to men on the basis of their gender isn't one of them.
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Gentrieve˛. "A 3D, first person procedurally generated Metroidvania action game" 
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Wait, that documentary isn't a joke response to the female tropes one? They're serious. At this point I feel like I should just start a Kickstarter for burning money. Some guy tried to raise $5000 to burn it in protest of tax day, but only managed to raise $500 or so. I figure with the right momentum I could do better.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Wait, that documentary isn't a joke response to the female tropes one? They're serious. It's kind of a joke. It's a joke for the people who made it, but they still are seriously asking for money. So it's more like a giant "gently caress you." They contrived from the start, in some 4chan thread, to not take it seriously and just get a bunch of money and donate it to charity because "youtube videos are easy to make and we'll show those women how silly they are asking for money for some videos."
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Wait, that documentary isn't a joke response to the female tropes one? They're serious. It's a joke because it's terrible, but it's not terrible because it's a joke.
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gschmidl posted:Gentrieve˛. "You may also know me by my online al-e-us, fruit" Nope, can't say I do. Isn't 3079 terrible?
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YOURFRIEND posted:"You may also know me by my online al-e-us, fruit" Oh, that's the guy who made 3079? Yeah, that game manages to be worse than Minecraft in every respect. I always assumed that game was made by Eastern European children it was so ugly and incoherent.
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YOURFRIEND posted:"You may also know me by my online al-e-us, fruit"
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Shalinor posted:It got a decent amount of indie press as a prototype, and then it turned out that the prototype was intended as a finished commercial product, which seemed to leave most of us a bit confused. Yeah, I picked it up as part of a bundle and thought it looked pretty cool, and was looking forward to what it would eventually turn into. And then he added like 2 new features and called it finished.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:At this point I feel like I should just start a Kickstarter for burning money. Some guy tried to raise $5000 to burn it in protest of tax day, but only managed to raise $500 or so. I figure with the right momentum I could do better. I was thinking of starting one to help pay off my student loans.
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