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Isn't this kinda hypocritical coming from Cena since the AA was originally a take on the F5 (thus why it was called FU)?
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Isn't this kinda hypocritical coming from Cena since the AA was originally a take on the F5 (thus why it was called FU)? Of course it is. It's ridiculous no matter what because even if it was an exact AA, the fact is nobody is going to confuse Tyler Reks for John Cena.
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Isn't this kinda hypocritical coming from Cena since the AA was originally a take on the F5 (thus why it was called FU)? Wasn't it created specifically to be part of their storyline? I didn't watch then, so I don't know.
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Dec 4, 2012 01:00
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Of course it is. Thanks for reminding me of Matt Hardy's debut in TNA. Where Tyler Reks ended up trending for a little bit because of it.
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Dec 4, 2012 01:12
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Tyler's Cena stories did introduce me to one that I hadn't heard before, that Alex Riley got depushed because he didn't show Cena proper respect. On the other hand he did show hustle and loyality so theres hope for him yet.
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Dec 4, 2012 01:32
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Skinty McEdger posted:Riley.. show[ed] hustle and loyalty
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Dec 4, 2012 01:48
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Reminds me of when Sting got mad that Too Cold Scorpio had Scorpions on his trunks.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Tyler's Cena stories did introduce me to one that I hadn't heard before, that Alex Riley got depushed because he didn't show Cena proper respect. On the other hand he did show hustle and loyality so theres hope for him yet. I thought Riley got depushed for sandbagging Swagger.
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Dec 4, 2012 02:09
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And just generally looking like dogshit in the ring.
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getitoffgetitoff posted:I thought Riley got depushed for sandbagging Swagger. Sandbagging implies some kind of malice and forethought I'm not willing to contribute to Riley's pure incompetence
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Dec 4, 2012 02:25
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It's good to hear that Cena does throw his clout around and even better to hear that he uses it to bury lovely wrestlers.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Maybe Cena's just a Kobashi mark and was annoyed that some lovely geek was using the move, especially since he was using it poorly. I like this theory better.
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Perigryn posted:I think he said in an interview once that "Tyler" was a name he and his gf considered for their first born. I think a lot of developmental guys have some imput on their name. Titus is the name of one of O'Neil's sons.
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Suben posted:I think a lot of developmental guys have some imput on their name. Then how do you explain Lucky Cannon?
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TL posted:Then how do you explain Lucky Cannon? Once they're called up all bets are off!
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Suben posted:Once they're called up all bets are off!
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Suben posted:I think a lot of developmental guys have some imput on their name. Titus is the name of one of O'Neil's sons.
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John Cena posted:Injured or healthy, today @CMPunk is the longest reigning @WWE champ in modern era, it would be hypocritical not to acknowledge + respect it
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Oh for gently caress sake John. HAVE AN OPINION ON SOMETHING. This guy has spend the last few months making your life as miserable as possible and has just broke your biggest record. HAVE A BIT OF BACKBONE. Gyro Zeppeli fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Dec 5, 2012 15:01
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VogeGandire posted:Oh for gently caress sake John. I don't get why you're upset at him.
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VogeGandire posted:Oh for gently caress sake John. Boring or not, John Cena is the face of WWE, it would be hypocritical not to acknowledge + respect it.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:I don't get why you're upset at him. Because it just devalues the feud, and by extension, makes the title look worthless. "Oh, he broke my record with the feud and has spent weeks rubbing that fact in my face. Oh he's injured? Well I hope he gets better soon". It's just such a wishy-washy "must be nice all the time" dryhump of an attitude. I just want to see him show a bit of aggression and passion.
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 VogeGandire posted:Because it just devalues the feud, and by extension, makes the title look worthless. "Oh, he broke my record with the feud and has spent weeks rubbing that fact in my face. Oh he's injured? Well I hope he gets better soon". It's just such a wishy-washy "must be nice all the time" dryhump of an attitude. I just want to see him show a bit of aggression and passion.
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VogeGandire posted:Because it just devalues the feud, and by extension, makes the title look worthless. "Oh, he broke my record with the feud and has spent weeks rubbing that fact in my face. Oh he's injured? Well I hope he gets better soon". It's just such a wishy-washy "must be nice all the time" dryhump of an attitude. I just want to see him show a bit of aggression and passion. It's Twitter. You're allowed to break kayfabe on Twitter. Not only that, but people have done nothing but bitch and moan about how Cena never gives Punk respect and keeps saying he hasn't proven himself. So now you're angry that he's saying Punk accomplished something great? poo poo is getting confusing as to what people want from John Cena.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:It's Twitter. You're allowed to break kayfabe on Twitter. Not only that, but people have done nothing but bitch and moan about how Cena never gives Punk respect and keeps saying he hasn't proven himself. So now you're angry that he's saying Punk accomplished something great? He said he respected him in the first tweet, then instantly took it back in the second tweet by saying that it was only by luck. But of course, that would imply that John thinks he's actually better than Punk, so "gee willikers, I had better mention that it's still a long reign". I just want him to a pick a side and defend his position on that side. As I said, he's genuinely wishing well a guy who has just toppled his biggest achievement to date and has spent the last few months openly mocking him for being powerless to stop it.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:It's Twitter. You're allowed to break kayfabe on Twitter. Not only that, but people have done nothing but bitch and moan about how Cena never gives Punk respect and keeps saying he hasn't proven himself. So now you're angry that he's saying Punk accomplished something great? He gives him respect, then immediately brings up luck as the predominant factor while trying to word it as backhandedly as possible. As a character, he's basically the walking equivalent of WWE's creative team. If there's any indication that he's standing for something or potentially building to something meaningful, he has to immediately take the direct opposite action to take everything back to Neutralville. He treats the title like it's something he's going to eventually get back at some point, so there's no urgency. There's no vulnerability to John Cena. Even Hogan was sometimes painted in a way to seem vulnerable. Cena just fruity pebbles and poop jokes everything into a non-issue and waits until the last moment possible before the big match to try to be serious.
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"Sometimes luck is as valuable as skill, but the record books will not say it was a 'lucky 381 and counting', it'll just say 381, + counting" Cena was saying, "I might think Punk was lucky at times, but the fact is he has the modern record and counting. You have to give respect." You folks read too much into things at times. Especially when it comes to a simple guy like Cena.
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All I know is that Cena is being nice to Punk so his career will stop being relevant immediately just like Londrick and Cryme Tyme and Morrison and Bourne and Truth and Ryder and Mickie James and AJ so on. Fate hates that Cena is untouchable and will attack anyone it can identify as his friend.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:And just generally looking like dogshit in the ring. I figured it was the utter disaster that was his "Vickie your breath smells" promo. I mean, it was horribly written so it's not all his fault, but you could see what small heat he had vanish completely.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:Cena was saying, "I might think Punk was lucky at times, but the fact is he has the modern record and counting. You have to give respect." But when CM Punk turned heel Cena said "THE ONLY REASON HE HAS HAD THE TITLE FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE HE DOES ANY SNEAKY TACTIC TO KEEP IT" even though he had been winning clean for months!!!
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HulkaMatt posted:But when CM Punk turned heel Cena said "THE ONLY REASON HE HAS HAD THE TITLE FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE HE DOES ANY SNEAKY TACTIC TO KEEP IT" even though he had been winning clean for months!!! Wasn't that between Summerslam and Night of Champions? When the closest thing to a "sneaky" tactic was stealing Cena's pin in a triple threat, and earlier in the match they both made Big Show tap out... It was like they wanted you to hate Cena for being a hypocritical, lying gently caress until CM Punk practically started strangling puppies to get booed over Cena. Big Coffin Hunter fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Cena is in a bizzare voice of the auidence role, in that whatever he says is what the babyface announcers believe to be true but is at the same time clearly an unreliable narrator. The Hogan role.
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HulkaMatt posted:But when CM Punk turned heel Cena said "THE ONLY REASON HE HAS HAD THE TITLE FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE HE DOES ANY SNEAKY TACTIC TO KEEP IT" even though he had been winning clean for months!!! A clean win can still be due to luck.
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HulkaMatt posted:But when CM Punk turned heel Cena said "THE ONLY REASON HE HAS HAD THE TITLE FOR SO LONG IS BECAUSE HE DOES ANY SNEAKY TACTIC TO KEEP IT" even though he had been winning clean for months!!! And after this, didn't Punk start doing sneaky poo poo? I know the world bends to the voice of John Cena but that was pretty bad. Same with Del Rio when Cena called him a wuss for not defending his title despite winning it like a week ago and what do you know Del Rio is now a massive pussy.
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So basically, Cena has the powers of the kid from the Twilight Zone "It's a Good Life". "It's GOOD that you turned Punk heel, Cena."
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:It's Twitter. You're allowed to break kayfabe on Twitter. Not only that, but people have done nothing but bitch and moan about how Cena never gives Punk respect and keeps saying he hasn't proven himself. So now you're angry that he's saying Punk accomplished something great? Yeah, I don't see what other play Cena has. If he refuses to give Punk respect and acknowledgement and just goes on about how he's gotten lucky and used cheap ways to retain then Cena comes off like a petulant brat. If he ignores Punk's heel antics and just gives respect then he's ignoring the story and characters. This half and half answer seems like the logical one and really the only one he can play. "I don't like how he did it, but there's no denying he did it and that's special." The problem isn't in his response today, its in years of his character. That wouldn't come off bad if Cena hasn't been booked for years as the aloof guy who turns his serious mode on and off and brushes every major defeat off his shoulder. But Cena can't undue that now. All he can do is give the best response he can going forward, but unfortunately the fans who are frustrated with his years of "no selling" tough losses will see this as just another case like VogeGandire did. VogeGandire isn't wrong to look at the big picture and have a memory longer than a goldfish's. Cena and WWE aren't blameless since they made this mess. But going forward there's no easy fix because this clearly wasn't a designed story, it was just bad writing. The only easy fix for badly written fictional characters is to kill them off or reset the universe.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Wasn't that between Summerslam and Night of Champions? When the closest thing to a "sneaky" tactic was stealing Cena's pin in a triple threat, and earlier in the match they both made Big Show tap out...
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Never break kayfaybe.
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Sheiky is going loving nuts over the NHL lockout. A few choice quotes:quote:The #HappyFriday to everyone accept that no good motherfucker Gary Bettman. He big time jabroni quote:the Donald Fehr have smaller dick than the donald duck
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