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Smiling Jack posted:All I want is an epic 12 part mini-series about the Philliphines, complete with the Battle Of Samar and at least three episodes about the battle of Manila. For the true Phillipines experience at least a third of it needs to be MacArthur furiously masturbating over his own genius.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:06
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Smiling Jack posted:All I want is an epic 12 part mini-series about the Philliphines, complete with the Battle Of Samar and at least three episodes about the battle of Manila. Them doing a fourth series about the US Navy in the Pacific would be pretty dope...Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea, Midway, Ironbottom Sound and the conflicts around Guadalcanal (probably be a two parter if you wanted to truly do it justice, you could do one with Savo Island, Eastern Solomons, Cape Esperance, and Santa Cruz Islands, ending with the sinking of the Hornet and the pyrrhic IJN victory, and then the next starting with the Tokyo Express running the Slot with some PT boat action, building to the nighttime battleship slugfest of 12-15 Nov, and tacking on Tassafaronga and Rennell Island on the end as an example of the challenges the Navy still faced despite winning a decisive victory in November), Philippine Sea/Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, and then another two parter for the Battle of Leyte Gulf (one part would be for Taffy 3 alone), and then probably one more for the action off Okinawa. Maybe to make it an even ten do an episode about the little known ABDA rear guard/fighting retreat campaign at the start of the war in the waters around the Dutch East Indies...the Houston ("Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast") would be a perfect focus for that episode. poo poo if you wanted you could make the overarching theme be about the Big E. Granted you'd have to diversify somewhat with some of the battles, since she wasn't at any of the ABDA actions or Coral Sea and obviously primarily surface actions like Savo Island and the other slugfests in Ironbottom Sound and Samar would be their own thing, but really that would work...her aircraft arrived over Pearl Harbor during the attack, she was at Midway, played a crucial role at the Eastern Solomons and the Santa Cruz Islands, after which she was the only operational US carrier in the Pacific ("Enterprise vs Japan"), her aviators assisted in the sinking of the Hiei during the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, she was at Philippine Sea and Leyte Gulf, and took two kamikaze hits off Okinawa. First carrier to be awarded a PUC and the most decorated USN vessel from WWII, with 20 battle stars. I would watch that show.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:11
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Have there been any TV shows or movies outside of documentaries that have depicted the Battle off Samar? I mean hell, you'd think the events are practically made for TV, but I've never even seen it mentioned outside of a few video games.
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Feb 1, 2013 06:32
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I'd watch the hell out of anything that depicts the actions of Taffy 3. Interestingly, the Battle off Samar took place on the same day as the battle of Agincourt and the Charge of the Light Brigade.  Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDZVxbrW7Ow Beardless fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 07:07
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iyaayas01 posted:Them doing a fourth series about the US Navy in the Pacific would be pretty dope...Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea, Midway, Ironbottom Sound and the conflicts around Guadalcanal (probably be a two parter if you wanted to truly do it justice, you could do one with Savo Island, Eastern Solomons, Cape Esperance, and Santa Cruz Islands, ending with the sinking of the Hornet and the pyrrhic IJN victory, and then the next starting with the Tokyo Express running the Slot with some PT boat action, building to the nighttime battleship slugfest of 12-15 Nov, and tacking on Tassafaronga and Rennell Island on the end as an example of the challenges the Navy still faced despite winning a decisive victory in November), Philippine Sea/Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, and then another two parter for the Battle of Leyte Gulf (one part would be for Taffy 3 alone), and then probably one more for the action off Okinawa. Maybe to make it an even ten do an episode about the little known ABDA rear guard/fighting retreat campaign at the start of the war in the waters around the Dutch East Indies...the Houston ("Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast") would be a perfect focus for that episode. Talking of Guadalcanal naval battles....  ...they were pretty hardcore. 
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Feb 1, 2013 07:42
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What was the reason that Japan was unable to replace its veteran air crews? (yes I know I should know the answer to this, shut up)
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Feb 1, 2013 14:38
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Insane Totoro posted:What was the reason that Japan was unable to replace its veteran air crews? Not enough fuel to run a good pilot training program.
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Feb 1, 2013 14:53
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Flikken posted:Not enough fuel to run a good pilot training program.
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Feb 1, 2013 15:06
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If I recall correctly, the US would take experienced pilots from the front and send them back to help train new pilots. The Japanese did not. I was just watching a show called 'Wings of the Red Star', and they showed off a plane I'd never heard of before. The Yak-28.  That is a pointy looking plane. The pointiness of it is hard to convey in the images I found, but I assure you it's quite pointy indeed. NerdyMcNerdNerd fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 15:14
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Have there been any TV shows or movies outside of documentaries that have depicted the Battle off Samar? I mean hell, you'd think the events are practically made for TV, but I've never even seen it mentioned outside of a few video games. The closest I can find is this on Wikipedia: Wikipedia posted:While the battle is frequently included in historical accounts of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, the duels between the destroyer and destroyer escorts and Yamato and the Japanese force was the subject of a Dogfights television program "Death of the Japanese Navy"[64] That episode, as well as a History Channel documentary was based on The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors, written by James D. Hornfischer. The book is really good if you've never read it (You should).
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Feb 1, 2013 15:36
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:If I recall correctly, the US would take experienced pilots from the front and send them back to help train new pilots. The Japanese did not. Pretty much that...Germans did more or less the same thing, which is why the top US ace (Dick Bong...seriously, that's his name) only had 40 kills while Hartmann had 352 (and multiple German aces had well over 200) and Hiroyoshi Nishizawa had 87. Also the fuel situation and lack of air superiority certainly didn't help things as far as providing a friendly training environment.
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Feb 1, 2013 15:38
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iyaayas01 posted:Pretty much that...Germans did more or less the same thing, which is why the top US ace (Dick Bong...seriously, that's his name) only had 40 kills while Hartmann had 352 (and multiple German aces had well over 200) and Hiroyoshi Nishizawa had 87. Also the fuel situation and lack of air superiority certainly didn't help things as far as providing a friendly training environment. Richard Bong.  Also, early war Japanese doctrine of low pilot protection meant that if a pilot messed up, there were fewer second chances, which meant it was probably harder to develop experienced pilots to begin with.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:23
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iyaayas01 posted:Pretty much that...Germans did more or less the same thing, which is why the top US ace (Dick Bong...seriously, that's his name) only had 40 kills while Hartmann had 352 (and multiple German aces had well over 200) and Hiroyoshi Nishizawa had 87. Also the fuel situation and lack of air superiority certainly didn't help things as far as providing a friendly training environment. The "Richard I. Bong Bridge" in his hometown of Duluth, MN is also the location of a sizable state university. Needless to say, there's been some weed smoked on that bridge.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:26
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iyaayas01 posted:First carrier to be awarded a PUC and the most decorated USN vessel from WWII, with 20 battle stars. gently caress you Cold War USN, gently caress you forever. Seriously, I've had the biggest, throbbiest hard on for the WW2 Big E ever since I was a little kid. In a war full of sleek and low Essex class carriers she was a giant loving metal Yorktown class brick. I still remember the day I found out that they God. Seriously. Writing this it STILL pisses me off that she's not sitting somewhere as a floating museum. gently caress it, even just a welded-shut husk would have been a better use. edit: gently caress my memory, scrapped not nuked. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 16:34
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I hear you, Cyrano. I feel bad for the USS Pennsylvania. Survived Pearl Harbor only to get nuked.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:36
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Cyrano4747 posted:. . . and then we dropped a nuke on her. You're thinking of the Saratoga. She got nuked. The Enterprise was just plain scrapped. Which sucks just as much, really.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:41
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You're thinking of the Saratoga. She got nuked. The Enterprise was just plain scrapped. Which sucks just as much, really. Yeah, thought I was mixing something up Both of those piss me off. gently caress me.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:51
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:If I recall correctly, the US would take experienced pilots from the front and send them back to help train new pilots. The Japanese did not. Russia had a succession of interceptors, operated under a separate command from the regular Red Air Force, that are quite obscure today. Which is a shame because some of them are cool or weird. Others include the Tu-128 which was massive, and the Su-15 which actually is reasonably well recognized but only because it shot down flight Korean Air 007 (among others.) The Su-15 just looks like how my 10-year-old self would draw a fighter plane- huge-rear end radome, little triangle wings, bubble canopy.
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Feb 1, 2013 16:51
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Alaan posted:For the true Phillipines experience at least a third of it needs to be MacArthur furiously masturbating over his own genius. 
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Feb 1, 2013 16:53
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Cyrano4747 posted:. . . and then we   I still can't believe they did that. One of the greatest ships in US Navy history, and they turn her into razorblades. Hell, they couldn't even keep their promise to the Naval Academy to preserve the drat mast. loving bastards.
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Feb 1, 2013 17:25
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Whats funny is if you watched all of Battle 360 from History Channel, you had some vets happy it got scrapped because they didn't want little kids running around the boat and making a mess of things--basically saying it would be a disgrace to turn it into a museum.
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Feb 1, 2013 17:31
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You're thinking of the Saratoga. She got nuked. The Enterprise was just plain scrapped. Which sucks just as much, really. Honestly I think scrapping is more insulting. At least a nuke test involves a ship dying to another weapon. Also the Saratoga took two nukes to kill.
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Feb 1, 2013 17:36
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StandardVC10 posted:Russia had a succession of interceptors, operated under a separate command from the regular Red Air Force, that are quite obscure today. Which is a shame because some of them are cool or weird. Mmhm. And while we're talking about weird Russian planes, lets take a look at some Yaks. I can't really do an in-depth write up on any of these planes, and I won't try. Someone far more knowledgeable than I am might come along and lay down some facts. Lets start with this thing.  This is the Yak-36. NATO called it the 'Freehand'. It's notable for being one of the earlier Soviet VTOL planes, and for being modeled on a Basking Shark.  This is the Yak-38, NATO designation 'Forger'. According to the program I was watching, many in the Soviet Union's military didn't feel there was a need for carriers. They saw flying boats and long range bombers as a viable alternative for naval airpower. This plane would be paired with the Soviet 'It isn't an aircraft carrier, it's a cruiser that carries aircraft!' Kiev. The Forger is a pretty chill looking plane. However :  The Forger B ( training variant ) has a cockpit that looks like a sad, misshapen penis. But Soviet planes are neat, and I can't end this post with a limp greenish-blue cock. I will end it with this :  This is the Yak-41. Look at that thing. Just look at it, and bask in just how goddamn cool it looks. Even it's NATO name 'Freestyle' just tells you that poo poo is cool. Though it never went into production, the two prototypes that were made set some significant records and were generally awesome ( until the program ran out of money ). 
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Feb 1, 2013 18:34
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iyaayas01 posted:
Oh, poo poo. That guy was a class act all the way. Seriously, gently caress cancer. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 1, 2013 |
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Feb 1, 2013 18:41
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Hmmmm that engine configuration looks familiar...  OH poo poo RUN AWAY!
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Feb 1, 2013 18:52
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Mmhm. And while we're talking about weird Russian planes, lets take a look at some Yaks. I can't really do an in-depth write up on any of these planes, and I won't try. Someone far more knowledgeable than I am might come along and lay down some facts. Another unusual Yak, though not part of the VTOL line you were showing off:  The Yak-15.
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Feb 1, 2013 19:34
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Insane Totoro posted:I feel bad for the USS Pennsylvania. Survived Pearl Harbor only to get nuked. Nevada had it bad too: painted orange, nuked twice, then used for target practice.
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Feb 1, 2013 21:57
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Cyrano4747 posted:. . . and then we While the Enterprise (CVN-65) is still technically in commission, she was deactivated in December and is in the process of being defueled, so we're again without a USS Enterprise. And since she was nuclear powered, she's headed for the scrappers, no museum status for her either. Second oldest US Naval vessel currently in commission (behind the Constitution). And being sunk, even in a SINKEX or as an artificial reef, is a far better fate for a warship than the scrapyard.
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Feb 2, 2013 06:09
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If I understand it right, all eight of those little teakettle reactors are going to be buried in some bunker/large concrete box in Hanford, too. Because the best thing to do in a still-contaminated nuclear cleanup site is toss in more contaminated poo poo.  (yes it's because they're actually building/have built a lot of disposal, vitrification and containment facilities there, but whatever) Would not want to be the poor barge and/or truck driver tasked with getting those suckers out over I-90/up the Columbia!
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Feb 2, 2013 07:52
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iyaayas01 posted:While the Enterprise (CVN-65) is still technically in commission, she was deactivated in December and is in the process of being defueled, so we're again without a USS Enterprise. Next Carrier to be named better be Enterprise. There is just something not right about there not being a Uss Enterprise in commission.
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Feb 2, 2013 13:47
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Flikken posted:Next Carrier to be named better be Enterprise. There is just something not right about there not being a Uss Enterprise in commission. You know it will be the USS Bill Clinton or the USS George Bush or whatever bullshit according to which party is in office.
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Feb 2, 2013 15:02
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Cyrano4747 posted:You know it will be the USS Bill Clinton or the USS George Bush or whatever bullshit according to which party is in office. They already announced that CVN-80 is going to be USS Enterprise. They announced it at CVN-65 Enterprise's inactivation ceremony.
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Feb 2, 2013 15:04
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Cyrano4747 posted:You know it will be the USS Bill Clinton or the USS George Bush or whatever bullshit according to which party is in office. In the Navy's defense the trend towards naming carriers/flagship type vessels after politicians there has been a connection between the Navy and the individual (however tenuous)...Bush 41 was a Navy pilot in WWII, Reagan presided over the 600 ship Navy buildup, Stennis and Vinson were both strong Congressional friends of the Navy, Carter was a submarine officer, Henry Jackson was a strong proponent of national defense, Ford served on a carrier in WWII, etc. Now, they've kind of shredded even that fig leaf with the Giffords, but at least a LCS isn't a carrier. I still don't see there ever being a USS William Clinton or a USS George W Bush. I predict that most of the Ford class will reuse names from the Forrestal and Kitty Hawk classes. McNally posted:They already announced that CVN-80 is going to be USS Enterprise. They announced it at CVN-65 Enterprise's inactivation ceremony. The way they did it was actually kind of cool, they had a presentation where the Captain presented the CNO with a time capsule the crew had put together, with the stipulation that it only be opened by the crew of the next commissioned vessel named the Enterprise, and then a couple of minutes later the SECNAV spoke by video and stated that the CVN-80 was going to be named Enterprise.
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Feb 2, 2013 19:10
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I kinda wish they'd name one the William J Clinton just to hear the nicknames.
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Feb 2, 2013 19:14
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Snowdens Secret posted:I kinda wish they'd name one the William J Clinton just to hear the nicknames. I think the BJ Clinton would be a great name for a Submarine.
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Feb 2, 2013 21:00
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Snowdens Secret posted:I kinda wish they'd name one the William J Clinton just to hear the nicknames. I want to see a submarine ice-breaker built called the Slick Willy that just spends all its time busting gloriously through ice-packs. Maybe it could have a seaquest-style animal friend, which is just a hyper-intelligent tuna named Al Gore the Albacore.
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Feb 2, 2013 21:01
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I want a Kitty Hawk in action, such a awesome name Also, Iran unveiled its next gen fighter today. The F-313 Qaher. It looks about 50-75% to scale though, that cockpit is *tiny*.
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LingcodKilla posted:I think the BJ Clinton would be a great name for a Submarine. For a submarine you'd want to call it the Lewinsky.
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