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socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Spite posted:


It's really disappointing that no games have done this well. It's like the writers never talked to the gameplay people - which may be the case, who knows, since the writer was on contract.
I mean, they're trying to tell the story of a normal person going through hell to survive and what I'm playing is Rambo. If you want to tell a story where your character is vulnerable you can't make it a shooter. Or at least you have to make it a shooter where there are fewer enemies and each one is extremely dangerous. Ie, you have to play dirty just to survive a single encounter with one enemy. That probably wouldn't sell enough in the AAA budget range though. It's unfortunate.


Saints Row 2 handles that perfectly, it is a GTA game where even in the cut scenes everyone recognizes your a badass lunatic that has murdered thousands of people. They even make fun of San Andreas where one of your characters plans an elaborate casino heist and your character just says "why don't we just walk in and kill everyone that is what is going to happen anyway" and then goes and does that.

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u fink u hard Percy
Sep 14, 2007

Drakhoran posted:

Close the shutters and then immediately hoist the platform and jump on top of it. When the shutters blow open again the wind will catch the platform and send it towards the far wall where you jump and catch the ledge.

That's what I figured but Lara just cant make the jump. I'll practice later, thanks.

real_scud
Sep 5, 2002

One of these days these elbows are gonna walk all over you

Drakhoran posted:

Close the shutters and then immediately hoist the platform and jump on top of it. When the shutters blow open again the wind will catch the platform and send it towards the far wall where you jump and catch the ledge.
This isn't quite right in regards to the Tom of the Ascension.

If you do that the 2nd shutter will open right at the platform is falling down. What you want to do is close the shutters, and as soon as the bottom ones open, lift up the platform. As soon as it's up quickly get up on it however you want, then when the top opens you're already raised up and the jump will be pretty damned easy to do.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Daimo posted:

That's what I figured but Lara just cant make the jump. I'll practice later, thanks.

Don't do the platform right after the shutters it won't make it high enough if you do. Wait until the first shutter opens then do the platform

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Revitalized posted:

Also, at the end, when everyone's on a ship heading home and Lara says 'I'm not going home' does the book she's holding actually show anything in particular? I couldn't tell partially because the texture of the page seemed really low quality.?

I really thought it was all related to the legend of King Arthur.

Adraeus
Jan 25, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post
I really like and enjoy this game, but I was disappointed that they didn't stick to the premise. Lara becomes a super ninja killer way too fast. I thought the reviewers were just playing that way, but no, there are few opportunities to avoid imitating Nathan Drake. I would have preferred more stealth gameplay for this reboot. Hunting is also a bit pointless beyond a certain point a la Far Cry 3. And although I generally hate QTEs, I'm all right with the QTEs in Tomb Raider. On the PC though, I'd prefer to see graphics for the keys.

By the way, when you're introduced to a special enemy, the Stormguard, for the first time, go back by walking toward the camera and say hello.

loudog999 posted:

I like Conan's description during his Clueless Gamer episode with this game. He commented on how everything on the island falls apart so easily, said it should be renamed lawsuit island. Its way funnier if you watch the episode I promise.

I haven't watched Conan in awhile because Andy seems to be really off his game, but that video was really funny.

http://teamcoco.com/video/clueless-gamer-conan-obrien-reviews-tomb-raider

u fink u hard Percy
Sep 14, 2007

Cheers guys :cheers:

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
I'm being attacked by a giant wolf in a wolf den there's a quick time event to mash left and right. It seems I can't mash left and right fast enough because I keep getting killed. Am I missing something?

Wazzit
Jul 16, 2004

Who wants to play video games?
Picked this up yesterday but was only able to play 3 hours in. Really enjoying it but I'm having a lot of trouble timing the QTEs. Is there a trick to pulling these off? It took me five or so tries to get past one of the first QTEs. The first death I figured I pressed Y too late, but the second and third time I died because I thought I had to wait for the circle indicator to close up. I finally passed it by pressing Y precisely when the indicator flashed. Anyone else having trouble with these?

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Wazzit posted:

Picked this up yesterday but was only able to play 3 hours in. Really enjoying it but I'm having a lot of trouble timing the QTEs. Is there a trick to pulling these off? It took me five or so tries to get past one of the first QTEs. The first death I figured I pressed Y too late, but the second and third time I died because I thought I had to wait for the circle indicator to close up. I finally passed it by pressing Y precisely when the indicator flashed. Anyone else having trouble with these?

I had similar trouble, I find it's best to hit it when the actual Y appears, not when it closes in on it. I got used to the timing pretty quickly as the game went along, until I was doing it without even thinking about it.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012
Can anyone determine the historical origin of these artifacts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrIrqGWbtYU

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Adraeus posted:

I really like and enjoy this game, but I was disappointed that they didn't stick to the premise. Lara becomes a super ninja killer way too fast. I thought the reviewers were just playing that way, but no, there are few opportunities to avoid imitating Nathan Drake. I would have preferred more stealth gameplay for this reboot. Hunting is also a bit pointless beyond a certain point a la Far Cry 3. And although I generally hate QTEs, I'm all right with the QTEs in Tomb Raider. On the PC though, I'd prefer to see graphics for the keys.
I think it would have helped to have (way) less combat in the first place. The amount of bad guys young Lara kills is completely dumb. The best part, as many have mentioned before, is that Gameplay Lara is a super ninja killer within half an hour into the game, but Cutscene Lara acts like this is not the case for most of the game. Even the enemies figure out they're dealing with a cold blooded killer pretty quickly.

Regarding hunting, I was wondering if they had different plans for that. It seems pointless immediately after your first plot-mandated deer kill. I seem to get more than enough XP from picking up the thousands of doodads and killing enemies. And while salvage is welcome in the beginning, by the time I reached Shantytown I had way more salvage than available gear upgrades (because further upgrades were all gated by plot or weapon parts).

Mischitary
Oct 9, 2007
I think this game is pretty good! I'm fine with killing tons of guys because the gunplay/bowplay is actually pretty great. Taking cover without pressing a button is so cool. Sure it's no Tomb Raider Anniversary but not many games are.

Thievery
Jul 15, 2008

What happens in 3rd Street stays in 3rd Street.

I have a question to anyone who has finished/100%ed the game, it's not anything to do with plot or anything I am just curious Is there a hidden T-rex somewhere?.

It is one of my most vivid memories from TR2.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

Adraeus posted:

By the way, when you're introduced to a special enemy, the Stormguard, for the first time, go back by walking toward the camera and say hello.

What happens? I've clocked the game now.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Thievery posted:

I have a question to anyone who has finished/100%ed the game, it's not anything to do with plot or anything I am just curious Is there a hidden T-rex somewhere?.

It is one of my most vivid memories from TR2.

The only TR2 reference I've found is when you get all of the GPS caches, this sound clip plays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OTZI4SgAQ8

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

Adraeus posted:

I really like and enjoy this game, but I was disappointed that they didn't stick to the premise. Lara becomes a super ninja killer way too fast. I thought the reviewers were just playing that way, but no, there are few opportunities to avoid imitating Nathan Drake. I would have preferred more stealth gameplay for this reboot. Hunting is also a bit pointless beyond a certain point a la Far Cry 3. And although I generally hate QTEs, I'm all right with the QTEs in Tomb Raider. On the PC though, I'd prefer to see graphics for the keys.

I got the feeling that there were a lot of mechanics that they had planned to integrate but never got around to doing so. It's still a hell of a fun game with great writing and combat, but it just isn't what we expected of it. I think more survival based mechanics would help along with more open exploration areas between fights, like they did with the shanty town. It was a great exploration base level with small combat sections that sneak up on you. Like you said, I wish there were more stealth sections like the introductory stealth mission. There were a few, but they were far between and not very long or difficult.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

Reveilled posted:

I'm being attacked by a giant wolf in a wolf den there's a quick time event to mash left and right. It seems I can't mash left and right fast enough because I keep getting killed. Am I missing something?

Use arrow keys?

Mischitary
Oct 9, 2007
I got the Aviatrix costume somehow (I bought the game off of PSN, so maybe that's how?) and I wanted to use it but then I was afraid that she would get another body wound like in the beginning and it would look weird. Do you get any costumes from doing stuff in the game or are they all pre-order bonuses or DLC or whatever?

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Mischitary posted:

I got the Aviatrix costume somehow (I bought the game off of PSN, so maybe that's how?) and I wanted to use it but then I was afraid that she would get another body wound like in the beginning and it would look weird. Do you get any costumes from doing stuff in the game or are they all pre-order bonuses or DLC or whatever?

All pre-order/DLC.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Control Volume posted:

Use arrow keys?

I don't know that the arrow keys would be any different from pressing A and D, but eventually I got through it. Either I lucked out and finally managed to mash hard enough, or the next prompt had been invisible up to this point.

I really wish this game didn't have QTEs.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
I think my favorite part of the game was near the end, when you suddenly start fighting samurai, that charge you with katanas.

While you have an assault rifle.

It goes about as well as you'd expect for them.

Geomancing
Jan 8, 2004

I am not an egghead. I am well-read.

Reveilled posted:

I'm being attacked by a giant wolf in a wolf den there's a quick time event to mash left and right. It seems I can't mash left and right fast enough because I keep getting killed. Am I missing something?

I went through that QTE a number of times for the same reason and I think I figured it out. Start hitting those keys as soon as the scene starts, but DON'T HIT THEM TOO FAST. Just alternately press them at about the same pace as the little graphic shows, maybe a bit faster. I couldn't even get past that input when I hammered them as fast as I could, hit them early but slow down a little bit.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

Dan Didio posted:

All pre-order/DLC.
Bleh :(

Nyagato
Apr 6, 2009
I find it funny that Lara calls a "relic" from the edo period ancient. :3:

gibbed
Apr 10, 2006

Reveilled posted:

I'm being attacked by a giant wolf in a wolf den there's a quick time event to mash left and right. It seems I can't mash left and right fast enough because I keep getting killed. Am I missing something?
You're mashing it too fast. Yes, you fail this by mashing it too fast.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Nyagato posted:

I find it funny that Lara calls a "relic" from the edo period ancient. :3:

Lara says a lot of really hilarious stuff honestly. She's really really good at the murderin', but it takes her a solid minute of looking to read the names in a wallet.

Revitalized
Sep 13, 2007

A free custom title is a free custom title

Lipstick Apathy

Rookersh posted:

I think my favorite part of the game was near the end, when you suddenly start fighting samurai, that charge you with katanas.

While you have an assault rifle.

It goes about as well as you'd expect for them.


That was actually a big surprise that I really liked. I thought they were gonna be tough as balls or something because of their supernatural link, but I popped one in the gut with a pistol and was like "Oh!" and then went to town ramboing the poo poo out of everything because superior modern firepower owns bones. Although at this rate, how did the world war 2 research party fail to contain the situation? Everyone had a machine gun or shotgun or pistol I'd assume! And there were many of them as evidenced from the corpses on the island! Hell, why were the Solarii so scared of the dudes?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Revitalized posted:

Hell, why were the Solarii so scared of the dudes?

The Solarii get their poo poo wrecked by a single 20-something girl who has never actually been in combat before. They're REALLY bad at the evil soldier thing.

Lakbay
Dec 14, 2006

My eye...MY EYE!!!
I beat the game and I'm surprised there was no turret section, especially after a certain plot point near the end. The rest of the game checked off every gameplay scenario found in modern action/adventure games.

It was a solid game, it's weird that the first 2 hours had about 80% of the QTEs, also the "running through a burning/collapsing corridor" got rather silly after the 10th time.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Lakbay posted:

I beat the game and I'm surprised there was no turret section, especially after a certain plot point near the end.

I was dreading it when I saw The PT Boat had two turrets on the back and that Lara and Jonah were manning them in a custscene.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010

Revitalized posted:

That was actually a big surprise that I really liked. I thought they were gonna be tough as balls or something because of their supernatural link, but I popped one in the gut with a pistol and was like "Oh!" and then went to town ramboing the poo poo out of everything because superior modern firepower owns bones. Although at this rate, how did the world war 2 research party fail to contain the situation? Everyone had a machine gun or shotgun or pistol I'd assume! And there were many of them as evidenced from the corpses on the island! Hell, why were the Solarii so scared of the dudes?

Well the Oni were a pretty big threat, and seemed to not give a poo poo about gunfire. 2-5 of those at once in a small space like a bunker would likely be pretty bad.

Spite
Jul 27, 2001

Small chance of that...

orcane posted:

I think it would have helped to have (way) less combat in the first place. The amount of bad guys young Lara kills is completely dumb. The best part, as many have mentioned before, is that Gameplay Lara is a super ninja killer within half an hour into the game, but Cutscene Lara acts like this is not the case for most of the game. Even the enemies figure out they're dealing with a cold blooded killer pretty quickly.

Regarding hunting, I was wondering if they had different plans for that. It seems pointless immediately after your first plot-mandated deer kill. I seem to get more than enough XP from picking up the thousands of doodads and killing enemies. And while salvage is welcome in the beginning, by the time I reached Shantytown I had way more salvage than available gear upgrades (because further upgrades were all gated by plot or weapon parts).

Hell, cutscene Lara is that way throughout the entire thing, literally.

I feel like the game must have changed ideas several times during development. Like they started with an initial idea of "Gritty Tomb Raider!" without thinking about what that meant. Then the game kind of meandered from there. I'm very impressed it ended up so good since they clearly had more ambitious ideas before they dialed it back to a very good clone of Uncharted. Though they kept the same narrative issues as every Uncharted game.

Actually forcing you to eat and kill to survive would have been much more on the nose of the story they ostensibly wanted to tell. Though I'm not convinced they were totally sure of what they wanted - the story is supposed to be about the birth of a survivor, not of a cold blooded killing machine, after all.

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

Is there any way to turn off camera bobbing/smooth out the camera? I'm getting a little dizzy playing because the third person POV bounces a little too much as it follows Lara limping along. (I only just barely got a gun, for context, but I assume the bounciness continues)

mmtt
May 8, 2009
Just finished the game. I really liked it. You could tell that Lara was feeling more confident and badass at the end.
Here I took a few screenshots of the game, nothing too spoilery I think.











mmtt fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Mar 7, 2013

GuyCastle
Jun 24, 2000

Dan Didio posted:

I really thought it was all related to the legend of King Arthur.

No, if you looked carefully at the book she was holding (and were playing it with high-res textures on pc :smug:), you could read the word Croatoan at the top of the page. If it's a hint towards a sequel, I'm guessing it'll be about the lost Roanoke colony.

Revitalized posted:

That was actually a big surprise that I really liked. I thought they were gonna be tough as balls or something because of their supernatural link, but I popped one in the gut with a pistol and was like "Oh!" and then went to town ramboing the poo poo out of everything because superior modern firepower owns bones. Although at this rate, how did the world war 2 research party fail to contain the situation? Everyone had a machine gun or shotgun or pistol I'd assume! And there were many of them as evidenced from the corpses on the island! Hell, why were the Solarii so scared of the dudes?

I'm guessing the Solarii and the WWII soldiers mainly had to deal with the big undead hulking variety. I'm not sure if the "oni" you encounter during that fight aren't actually just regular human descendents because they seemed human enough once you shot their armor off. But that wouldn't make much sense giving the lack of women on the island (or why they hadn't found a suitable replacement for Himiko among them if there actually were some we just didn't get to see).

All in all, I really enjoyed the game, and really like the :lost:-vibe, albeit with less forced mysteries and more badass action. The QTE felt fine to me, the buttons you have to press during them are logically consistent with their use during regular playtime, and I felt they add a little interaction during some cutscenes (but I realize QTE is a highly subjective opinion). The game looked gorgeous on my pc even though it's not exactly top of the line anymore, and I didn't notice any framerate hits with TressFX on. But Lara's hair did disappear briefly sometimes, making her look like she had a buzzcut (wished I took a screenshot of that).

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Ok guys I'm playing Tomb Raider BUT I'm encountering one gamebreaking glitch after another and other people playing the game don't seem to have these problems. Maybe somebody here can help me out?

I'm on Nvidia and I heard the game doesn't like that BUT I only heard about crashes and not actual in-game glitches lik these (also I'm from Europe - I don't know if my region has a different version of the game):

-First when I found the very first camp (under the rock) the fire was already burning and in the cutscene Lara proceeded to...light this fire with the last match she found - it was actually a bit hilarious but I waved it off as a glitch.
-Then when I was supposed to upgrade the axe to open the ancient gate - I have already done that earlier so I immediatelly proceeded to open it - an empty level loaded that looked like this and when I run further I fell through the level....
-I fixed the above issue by doing what the game required me to - I gathered the resources for the upgrade and went to the camp and clicked on an already completed upgrade - the game triggered and proceeded normally. However I've heard from other people that before that quest they weren't even able to upgrade their items - but I WAS able to do that which apparently broke the game's sequence. What the hell?
-Now I come to the spot where I can't continue the game anymore - When the QTE with the Russian dude that chokes Lara comes up - no button prompt comes up. A circle is getting smaller with an exclaimation mark in the center - but nothing indicates what button should be pressed. No matter what I do the QTE fails and Lara is choked. What the hell is happening with my game?

Help :(

Palpek fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 7, 2013

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

GuyCastle posted:

I'm guessing the Solarii and the WWII soldiers mainly had to deal with the big undead hulking variety.

None of those fuckers were the descendant of Ol' Dicky Croft either though. You literally can't stop a Croft. They are unstoppable. Fact.

Saint Freak fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 7, 2013

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

mmtt posted:

Just finished the game. I really liked it. You could tell that Lara was feeling more confident and badass at the end.
Here I took a few screenshots of the game, nothing too spoilery I think.



I found it interesting that they actually had a mirror in-game, because a lot of game engines these days don't bother to support it. Then again, it is also the only mirror I've seen in the game, so maybe they just cheated a bit in that spot.

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Adraeus
Jan 25, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Lasher posted:

What happens? I've clocked the game now.

Best death scene ever. HULK SMASH!

orcane posted:

Even the enemies figure out they're dealing with a cold blooded killer pretty quickly.

Aside from the pacing that led to Lara becoming an accomplished killer so quickly, I liked that the enemies talked about being really, really scared of "the girl." I didn't like that they never acted like it. In fact, enemy behavior becomes rather drab after awhile because they have only one group tactic: one guy throws explosives to get Lara out of cover; another guy shoots at Lara; and another guy rushes at Lara with a melee weapon—over and over and over. Sometimes a guy with a shield comes at you when everyone else is dead. Oooo, big and scary shield. Roll, stab, shotgun to the face, done.

ViggyNash posted:

Like you said, I wish there were more stealth sections like the introductory stealth mission. There were a few, but they were far between and not very long or difficult.

In addition to the lack of diversity in combat encounters, you really only have a choice about how to engage. A stealthy kill, or a series of stealthy kills, is a good start, at least until Lara finds her ultimate melee-climbing-rope-traversal pickaxe, which is almost always noisy. At that point, the bow and the various silenced guns are the most effective weapons. And if you're going to engage with a gun, you might as well go in guns blazing because the cinematic direction plus a gun battle with multiple combatants is amazing. I just don't think Lara should be that amazing.

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