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theflyingorc posted:Nevermind, officially found the best comment on that Ars Technica article: So from the consumer standpoint, hold off and get the Ouya when it's 20 dollars. That way you can get the entire advant guarde game design in this brave new world for a fraction of the original cost.
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OK which of you is this:ArsTechnicaComment posted:What a load of garbage. I feel bad for the people who get suckered by the BOOUYANDOGGLE.
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theflyingorc posted:Hmm...what's a device of PS2 caliber that I can get for less than $99...HMMM.... See here's the thing. The people who are concerned about the barrier to entry on the big 3 right now might have a point if they genuinely thought that cheap devkits died with the PS2 Linux initiative or the net yaroze. But they didn't. Anyone with a windows PC can develop for the Xbox right the gently caress now, you can develop a game with XNA as if it was headed to XBLIG and then apply to get it on the main store. Or if you want you can write Microsoft a heartfelt email with a game pitch and why you are an independent game maker, and if they like it, they will just loving mail you a devkit, thats it. Sony, in response to criticism about their treatment of indie devs, put out a special reduced cost devkit just for them. If you can pony up 2000 dollars, which is honestly quite cheap for the hardware you are getting, you can develop for the PS3, no special appeal or anything needed. Wii devkits were even cheaper, at 1700 dollars, but you don't really need one. There are a variety of development tools written for use with Dolphin (a wii emulator) or a modded Wii. And all this is of course assuming that you don't want to use one of the many many engines (like UDK3, Cryengine, Idtech4, Source, Gamebryo/Lightspeed, Vicious Engine, or even Unity) that will literally do the porting work for you. And of course assuming you want to start out on a console. If you don't, and are willing to start out on the PC (filthy I know), as long as you don't do something really stupid like, say, write your goddamn game in flash, if your game is truly innovative and world changing and, well, good, you can get enough success to get picked up/ported/courted by a publisher.
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Mar 12, 2013 07:34
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WendigoJohnson posted:That way you can get the entire advant guarde game design in this brave new world for a fraction of the original cost. The future is now (also free): http://excitemike.com/Glorious_Trainwrecks_Dot_Exe
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Mar 12, 2013 08:04
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Press X to shoot Marvin in the face.
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Mar 12, 2013 08:10
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Should we have some kind of bet on which date they'll announce a launch delay? 17 days out and they couldn't even show us a final product. The OS is still being made. Forget games. They haven't even finished the loving OS.
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Mar 12, 2013 08:25
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luncheon meat posted:Should we have some kind of bet on which date they'll announce a launch delay? 17 days out and they couldn't even show us a final product. The OS is still being made. Forget games. They haven't even finished the loving OS. I originally called the OHHELLNAH Bitcoins the Console when I first heard about it. Now it's about to enter the BFL stage of delays and damage control.
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Mar 12, 2013 08:30
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I hear Star Command is going to be a launch title.
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Well I dropped dev_infodump.txt and then the interview happened. Here it is again  Looking around the OUYA ODK. Here's Welcome.pdf:  It mentions the Launcher apk, so I decided to look inside it. Ended up finding an mp4 of the bootscreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS6t8KtkArA Another thing I found amusing was the Changelog: quote:ODK 1.0.0 - Mar 4, 2013 That jump from 0.0.7 to 1.0.0 really shows the planning behind the scenes, look at what features allowed that milestone! Really seems like the I decided to register as a developer, which was pretty much a waste of time. Did find the Marketplace Agreement though. https://devs.ouya.tv/marketplace_agreement.pdf Also recorded a video of me attempting to play with the launcher in an emulator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Jg0CXdQWE I installed the framework/launcher, made the OUYA Launcher the default, tested a thing or two, then rebooted. What followed was an attempt to play with it. The first screen is pretty basic, the Bluetooth Settings will just throw you to the default android bluetooth settings menu. Going to the next screen though gives you a fancy wireless screen. I just skipped it though due to being on an emulator. The new user/existing user screens... ugh. I attempted to make one on video, but you see how that turns out. And no, I never received an email confirming my account. The developer news was funny though, first I've seen of it. When I backed out of the browser I was expecting the main menu, not to see the login screen again. Attempts at logging in went nowhere, still not sure why it attempts to register the console on each login. Since I was expecting something past the New User screen, I tried to trigger the welcome setup again. No luck, figure I registered the UUID of the emulator and I'm not exactly wanting to do it all again.  As far as the controls for OUYA keys outside of the official controller? No clue, be glad I got this far in the recording.
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So assuming they miraculously have something launch "worthy" at the end of the month, can they even scrape enough consoles together to sell to anyone after they send the backers their units? How are they going to make enough money for their next batch? Are they betting on making another 8 million bucks from their nonexistent launch lineup?
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Mar 12, 2013 11:20
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They are very confident in their business model.
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Mar 12, 2013 11:36
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Atlas Hugged posted:They are very confident in their business model. Solid as a rock.
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Okasvi posted:So assuming they miraculously have something launch "worthy" at the end of the month, can they even scrape enough consoles together to sell to anyone after they send the backers their units? How are they going to make enough money for their next batch? Are they betting on making another 8 million bucks from their nonexistent launch lineup? I'm fairly sure they've managed to get money from elsewhere - they were able to throw cash at Double Fine, for instance. I'm not sure how, but crazyeyes and her vacuous marketing speak seem to be good at getting people to part with their money for the BEETHOVEN.
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Mar 12, 2013 12:18
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DoctorTristan posted:I'm fairly sure they've managed to get money from elsewhere - they were able to throw cash at Double Fine, for instance. She seems to be the definition of the industry insider whose made enough connections with fools and their easily parted money to stumble by. The question is, where are they going to get the funding for the 2014 OUYA, which should already be in development if they have any expectations to deliver by then. 
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Does anyone else get a strong MLM vibe from this whole thing? Between the sycophants and shills, people taking second mortgages on their houses, kids dropping out of school to focus on the business full time, it shares a lot of the same characteristic behavior of a pyramid scheme, not to mention the buzzwords.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Does anyone else get a strong MLM vibe from this whole thing? Between the sycophants and shills, people taking second mortgages on their houses, kids dropping out of school to focus on the business full time, it shares a lot of the same characteristic behavior of a pyramid scheme, not to mention the buzzwords. I think there are elements to that, especially because it is a Kickstarter. The need for others to contribute to any Kickstarter for one's own pledge to matter gives it a basis similar to MLM. That said, I think a few people doing stupid things can't necessarily lump it in with MLM. I would imagine even the best opportunities have people doing very dumb things related to it, we're just hearing about it for the Ouya because we're giving the trainwreck a lot of scrutiny. MLM actively encourages these bad choices as part of their business/fraud model and I'm not sure the same can be said regarding Uhrman and developers. They aren't putting enough effort in supporting potential devs for it to be really anything. Uhrman seems to be fleecing bigger behind the scenes backers more than low level devs at this point.
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Well, I wasn't accusing it of actually being an MLM, just saying I was getting that same kind of culty vibe.
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theflyingorc posted:OK which of you is this:
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Anticheese posted:Press X to shoot Marvin in the face. "Does he look like a bitch?" *Mass Effect conversation wheel pops up*
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WendigoJohnson posted:If it can be made in the Ouya it can be made for Steam. I'm guessing Greenlight sets the bar a bit higher than the Ouya Store will, though. some ouya fanboy posted:All 3 major console manufacturers long ago declared that they would never license a game rated as 18+ only for their platform (to essentially no concern in the gaming community whatsoever - if such a thing were tried in the film or book industry there would have been blood in the streets). Nobody tell him about the NC-17 rating, guys. raditts fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Mar 12, 2013 |
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zylche posted:Well I dropped dev_infodump.txt and then the interview happened. Here it is again
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I don't think I've ever seen software go straight from 0.0.7 to 1.0.0 before, that's almost impressive.
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raditts posted:Nobody tell him about the NC-17 rating, guys. Didn't BOOYAH say they weren't crazy about the idea of letting Pornography games all over their console? I can't remember what they said, but I seem to remember something.... At this point I think its either going to be like 99% porno or they'll have to ban it and have 0%. Dewgy posted:I don't think I've ever seen software go straight from 0.0.7 to 1.0.0 before, that's almost impressive.  That's REALLY not a good sign. Red flags coming out left and right here, this thing is sinking faster than the titanic. They're going to end up shipping with alpha software, which I guess is why they announced that they won't have online features until like next year, because their software isn't nearly ready for that kind of security.I really can't believe they "ship" in two weeks and they don't have the OS, storefront, or hardware finalized yet. This is freaking unbelievable. I mean, even if they had everything read to go on day 1, the thing would still fail because of lack of software and user base and reasons to give a gently caress. But they're not even going to deliver! Cautionary tale for future Kickstarters.
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raditts posted:Nobody tell him about the NC-17 rating, guys. Not to say that that entire post of that dude's wasn't absolute bullshit, and that the NC-17 rating is basically a black mark, I can think of at least one decent NC-17 film released recently that was well received as well (Shame), as opposed to AO from the ESRB.
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The thing is, you can actually get away with a lot in an M. Functionally, an AO rating means your game is literally porn. There's also a violence aspect to it, but I don't think any game has gotten an AO for violence, and if you think you need that much, you don't.
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That's an unfair comparison. The OUYA was never afloat.
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Waffleman_ posted:The thing is, you can actually get away with a lot in an M. Functionally, an AO rating means your game is literally porn. There's also a violence aspect to it, but I don't think any game has gotten an AO for violence, and if you think you need that much, you don't. I was trying to write up a big line by line for that wall of dumb about video games and then realized it was kind of pointless because this more or less says it all. With a few notable exceptions, anything that you'd need to recreate an "arthouse" film that has been considered influential or important in the last 100 years you can get with a M rating on a video game. The ESRB has its own problems, but its rating system is far more consistent and transparent than the MPAA's. He is operating entirely under the flawed premise that mature means gratuitous. Since he is arguing that Pulp Fiction was based off of "art films" from the 70s and not, you know, pulp fiction & the 70s movie equivalent of the annual Summer Action Movie, its pretty obvious he thinks this. Edit: Also there have been a few AO rated games for things other than sex. They all ended up coming to consoles with some editing, most notably Manhunt 2 Red_Mage fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Mar 12, 2013 |
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Well, I think we should all look forward to A Serbian Video Game coming soon to OUYA!
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Red_Mage posted:Edit: Also there have been a few AO rated games for things other than sex. They all ended up coming to consoles with some editing, most notably Manhunt 2 Or absurdly heavy editing in the case of whatever the hell the AO fighter that Wu-Tang Clan is based on was called. Actually, OUDB you better protect ya neck. You ain't got 4 person fighters or an Inspectah on Deck.
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luncheon meat posted:Should we have some kind of bet on which date they'll announce a launch delay? 17 days out and they couldn't even show us a final product. The OS is still being made. Forget games. They haven't even finished the loving OS. They are just going to throw some paint on the dev version.
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boo_radley posted:It's a votech school, I think. He's putting off vocational training to do this Wait, back up. I literally had to go look up votech to make sure the definition I had in my head was the real definition. Unless there's a different NYU kicking around somewhere, he is definitely not delaying votech. NYU is the 22nd best university in the world according to its wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyu#Academics. On topic: I'm really sad I missed the SXSW keynote and I can't believe no one on the whole internet recorded the stream. 
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I'm going to interpret OuyaPants' relative silence as a sign that the SCREWYOUDAD is losing support like crazy. Nice speech, Julie  I mean, not even SXSW is hosting it. Guess you can't huckster your way through technical questions like, 'what games will you launch with'.
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illiniguy01 posted:They are just going to throw some paint on the dev version. I will loving die laughing if that is the case. And then I will die laughing again when Xboxpants comes along to explain how, since they've now edited any claims that the case will be metal out of the kickstarter page, they only promised a case that looks metal, it was going to be poo poo plastic all along.
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hahahahaha holy poo poo you know how I made a joke a few pages back about Xboxpants working for that horrible OUYA journalism kickstarter? http://www.reddit.com/r/ouya/comments/19oelb/ouya_radar_episode_2_tons_of_gameplay_of_our/c8pv0at He actually does.
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Oh Xboxpants, you loving idiot.
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Red_Mage posted:hahahahaha AHAHAHA. Mods please ban OUYAPants as he has been soliciting attention for his own company tia.
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This is the saddest shill I've ever seen. You literally hosed up like thing one in PR Xboxpants.
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Barudak posted:Or absurdly heavy editing in the case of whatever the hell the AO fighter that Wu-Tang Clan is based on was called. Thrill Kill wasn't rated AO, it just got shitcanned two weeks from release when Virgin Interactive got bought out. Manhunt 2 was originally rated AO, and that was decent. edit: loooooool Dewgy fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Mar 12, 2013 |
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