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Mr. Beefhead posted:Because I want something like XBMC that has a beautiful interface, is extremely customizable, doesn't require crap like Itunes to be installed to work properly, and supports every file format under the sun. The Apple TV is fine for what it is I guess, but it's not for me.
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Quest For Glory II posted:I thought you could install XBMC on an AppleTV. Older models (you'd have to buy used), and then it only supports up to 720p.
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nessin posted:Why does someone buy bottled water instead of a filter? Why does someone buy Darigold brand milk even if Lucerne brand is cheaper? How the hell do 8 different brands of shaving cream exist at the same price level? What the gently caress point are you trying to make here? quote:At least in your example you can say the XBox 360 may have higher quality games but they're more expensive, getting harder and harder to find as they get older, and you require a annual fee to access stuff you could get free from the Ouya. 1) What Xbox 360 games are hard to find? 2) As they get older, they get cheaper too. If we're going to go with Xboxpants's "FF3 should set the standard at $15" statement, there are literally hundreds of games you can get right now at that price or lower. Even if you go with a price point of $5 which some of the initial offerings seem to be using, there are still hundreds. Add XBLA to that and you're probably in the thousands. XBLIG is probably closer to the level of what you're likely to get on the Ouya and most of those games are a dollar. You don't need an annual fee to access any of that. 3) That annual fee also gets you online multiplayer, which the Ouya... might have at the end of the year? 4) Speaking of fees, your credit card information is almost certainly safer with Microsoft than Julie Uhrman, and I wouldn't give my info to MS. Not to mention that you don't need to give them your info if you don't want to, while it's apparently required if you want anything the Ouya has to offer. Oh, and there's also that thing where they've already demonstrated that if you get wrongly charged due to their fuckups, then you might get your money back in a few weeks... y'know, when they get around to it. So again, what was your point? Mirthless posted:Except literally all the hardware and the operating system of the device were already existing, on the market, prior to the kickstarter ever even starting? If they didn't spend the last 8 months trying to make Android actually work for a game console, what the gently caress were they doing? Roping in suckers with "indie revolution" rhetoric and pretending that what they have is somehow different from your average Android device. Hence why, among other things, they spent some non-zero amount of time having poorly-functioning controllers produced and implementing them for a device that already has built-in controller support. Quest For Glory II posted:To access what? If you want to watch streaming media why are you buying an OUYA instead of a Roku which is the industry leader and can also play its own crappy Android-quality games? Less, if you're willing to buy used. I just bought one off a goon a couple weeks ago for $80 to use mainly as a media player / cable box. There's also that bonus where I can play games that aren't dogshit on it with a functioning controller if I'm so inclined. raditts fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Mar 31, 2013 22:15
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nessin posted:Why does someone buy bottled water instead of a filter? Why does someone buy Darigold brand milk even if Lucerne brand is cheaper? How the hell do 8 different brands of shaving cream exist at the same price level? At least in your example you can say the XBox 360 may have higher quality games but they're more expensive, getting harder and harder to find as they get older, and you require a annual fee to access stuff you could get free from the Ouya. I've bought a couple Xbox 360 games that came out within the first 12 months of the system, they weren't hard at all to find, and this was within the last year. Some of them have digital download versions too.
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Mar 31, 2013 22:16
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Quest For Glory II posted:I thought you could install XBMC on an AppleTV. You can, but unless you have a bunch of video in some crazy anime format, there's really nothing wrong with the stock software, either. There's even apps out there that will transcode stuff and stream to it without needing to use iTunes or have everything in H264. It's also $10 cheaper than the Ouya right now.
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Mar 31, 2013 22:34
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There's also perfectly good video players for Android that don't require some kind of beefy hardware to actually run. The idea that you'd need certain system specs for a goddamned media player seems rather bizarre to me.
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Mar 31, 2013 22:43
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davejk posted:You can, but unless you have a bunch of video in some crazy anime format, there's really nothing wrong with the stock software, either. There's even apps out there that will transcode stuff and stream to it without needing to use iTunes or have everything in H264. It's also $10 cheaper than the Ouya right now. The Apple TV is fine for people who live in Apple world with their iTunes and iPhones and iPods and iPads and AirPorts and all that stuff. If I used or owned any of that stuff it might make sense to buy an Apple TV, but I don't. Making a stock Apple TV function on it's own outside of Apple world requires, as you pointed out, things like transcoding, which means everything looks like poo poo. If I didn't care about video quality I'd just buy a $50 Roku and use Plex or Netflix.
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raditts posted:There's also perfectly good video players for Android that don't require some kind of beefy hardware to actually run. The idea that you'd need certain system specs for a goddamned media player seems rather bizarre to me. Go check out a video of the interface of XBMC in action. Even if you don't see the attraction, you'll have to admit that it's a big enough leap from a plain Android media player to be worth the extra hardware needed for some people. It's like, I have trouble understanding why some people want to spend extra on a fancy car just to get from point A to point B, but when I compare a BMW to my Honda I can clearly see how if the BMW is what you wanted, my Honda wouldn't even compare.
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Mar 31, 2013 22:55
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theflyingorc posted:From a thread on OUYAForum, somebody posted this: Nope, he's the developer of this "game": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KniKH9Yfl5Y
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Mar 31, 2013 23:13
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JazzFlight posted:This is especially funny because I thought, "oh, he must be the developer of a game that was higher quality and available on other systems that just got ported to the OUYA." Holy poo poo, I laughed way to hard at the scrolling text at about 1 minute in auto word wrapping around as words completed on the edge. Rudager fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Mar 31, 2013 23:18
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The amount of schadenfreude generated by this "console" totally gives meaning to its existence. And for that, I thank Julie.
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JazzFlight posted:http://ouyaforum.com/showthread.php?1875-What-s-the-average-cost-of-games-of-the-ones-in-the-store-right-now Ten loving dollars for that? I'd get more entertainment at the same price by goatseing GBS. It's an arcade game that would have bene lame in the 1990's, with terrible music. If this is the average for the OUYA library... Well, this thread's gonna feel very vindicated. The saddest part is that the guy spent six months working full time on this, a thing that will never turn a profit.
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Mar 31, 2013 23:24
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raditts posted:There's also perfectly good video players for Android that don't require some kind of beefy hardware to actually run. The idea that you'd need certain system specs for a goddamned media player seems rather bizarre to me. The hardware that'll run xbmc on android is entry level. I ended up adding xbmcandroid to my droidstick and it runs pretty smoothly. You really don't need anything special. Using a droidstick is a much better option than building/buying a PC for HTPC use.
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FrozenVent posted:Ten loving dollars for that? I'd get more entertainment at the same price by goatseing GBS. It's an arcade game that would have bene lame in the 1990's, with terrible music. If this is the average for the OUYA library... Well, this thread's gonna feel very vindicated. Every dollar is profit because he 
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JazzFlight posted:This is especially funny because I thought, "oh, he must be the developer of a game that was higher quality and available on other systems that just got ported to the OUYA." I love this comment attempting to defend it: averystrangeguy4378 posted:First of all, its an alpha you little ships.Second, look at all the layers of space and stars below, and how they move, it's pretty cool.Third, this needs work for coding, 3d modeling, graphic and texture creation, button mapping, ui mapping, and more, so stop being idiots, game creation is harder than you think.
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Mirificus posted:I love this comment attempting to defend it: Alright so it needs work in every area that could make it a game, the concept is kind of lame to begin with, but hey, that background picture from nasa.org is really cool ok? OUYA.
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So is it or is it not an Alpha. I get that the setting is called Universe Alpha, but there's no way that would be getting praise if it was a finished title, or even a Beta, right? Right? 
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Mar 31, 2013 23:54
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He also uses a lame Zelda joke/meme. gently caress him.
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So has anyone found a set top Android device with a tegra 3 chip inside? It's why I still have the ouya on preorder.
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XboxPants posted:Thanks a lot for this explanation. It's like texture mapping for lighting, so the textures are dynamically painted with shading depending on the light source. So you can add texture detail that looks 3D even though it's painted on a flat surface, or make a bunch of flat surfaces look like a smooth curve, and it'll look right and shade like real detail as you move around lights. It doesn't add to shadows because the actual 3D models don't have any extra detail, so there are no extra shadows to cast. You can only simulate so much depth and height before it becomes an obvious visual trick, and if you paint a normal map that looks like a nice smooth curve on a blocky object, you'll still see the blocky silhouette because that's the real geometry. It's used a lot in low-poly games, for stuff that's meant to run on low-end hardware, because it means you can use very basic models that render easily, and fake the detail without the performance hit. Basically it's not really impressive to see it in a game here.
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I did know a little bit about it, I read up on it when I was adding normal mapping to Minecraft (which was ridiculous), but I didn't want to try to talk about it and screw it up.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So has anyone found a set top Android device with a tegra 3 chip inside? It's why I still have the ouya on preorder. What's so special about Tegra 3? Is there some reason any number of A9 SoCs wouldn't work?
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So has anyone found a set top Android device with a tegra 3 chip inside? It's why I still have the ouya on preorder. No I haven't found one at all.
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Mirificus posted:I love this comment attempting to defend it: quote:Second, look at all the layers of space and stars below, and how they move, it's pretty cool. Somebody should introduce him to ulililia and blow his mind.
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Winks posted:What's so special about Tegra 3? Is there some reason any number of A9 SoCs wouldn't work? The Tegra3 can't even run Ninja Village on high graphics setting smoothly, that's why its special! (I found this out today much to my dismay)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So has anyone found a set top Android device with a tegra 3 chip inside? It's why I still have the ouya on preorder. I don't think there are set-top Android devices that aren't Google TV devices, and no, none of them have a Tegra 3 chip (what they do have, however, is an HDMI passthrough that lets you overlay it on your TV signal). You could just as easily use a tablet that has HDMI out, though. What exactly is so important about the Tegra 3 chip, though? I doubt you would need its power to run SNES emulators or pixel art twin stick metroidvanias or 3D games that look like they were ported from the Atari Jaguar. Uncle Jam posted:The Tegra3 can't even run Ninja Village on high graphics setting smoothly, that's why its special! I've never heard of Ninja Village, is that due to hardware limitations or the game not being optimized for it?
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I think it's the newest Kairosoft game. Those games have run really poorly compared to a lot of games in my experience. I mean Ski Safari looks amazing and runs great on my Gnex and Nexus 7 but all the Kairosoft games had issues on my Gnex (before I got bored of them).
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I've never had issues with Kairosoft games and I'm running a Motorola XPRT, which is a weak rear end business phone with a low clock ARMv7 IIRC.
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Klyith posted:^^^ edit: gently caress! What are the chances someone else replies to a pages old technical question at the same time I do? Bouya! I was going to mention tessellation and decided not to bother, that's where you made your mistake
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Winks posted:What's so special about Tegra 3? Is there some reason any number of A9 SoCs wouldn't work? Basically most poo poo stutters. I know because I've dealt with 3 of them. If there is something better out there I'd like to know.
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XboxPants posted:Thanks a lot for this explanation. Exactly. The calculations done only apply only to rendering, and only to each pixel individually. Some shaders can pull information from the rest of the screen, but they don't feed back into geometry and lighting. It's kind of like instant post processing.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Basically most poo poo stutters. I know because I've dealt with 3 of them. If there is something better out there I'd like to know. Are you suggesting the Tegra 3 doesn't have stuttering? Because it does.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So has anyone found a set top Android device with a tegra 3 chip inside? It's why I still have the ouya on preorder. Who knows, maybe the next Google TV box will appear at Google I/O and have a Tegra 4 inside. Or, you can use the HDMI output on Project Shield.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Basically most poo poo stutters. I know because I've dealt with 3 of them. If there is something better out there I'd like to know. This is going to be a problem with anything from that generation of mobile chipsets, Tegra 3 included. The Tegra 3 is an A9 SoC. Nvidia really marketed the Tegra name well, I guess. If you're looking for perfection, you have to start looking at media PCs, and even then that's only closer to perfect, as you'll have the occasional problem there too. Winks fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Apr 1, 2013 |
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The point is you might as well get any RK3066 powered Android HDMI stick because it's gonna be pretty much the same thing power-wise if you're not actually going to use it for SORASORASORA games
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ACID POLICE posted:The point is you might as well get any RK3066 powered Android HDMI stick because it's gonna be pretty much the same thing power-wise if you're not actually going to use it for SORASORASORA games I don't have any personal experience, but I wanna chime in and say that even I don't think there's a meaningful difference between an RK3066 and a T3. I looked into the RK3066 vs Tegra 3 issue pretty heavily when people first started bringing it up, and although various apps might run better on one chip or another, they seem to be pretty goddamn similar.
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XboxPants posted:I don't have any personal experience, but I wanna chime in and say that even I don't think there's a meaningful difference between an RK3066 and a T3. Well from what I understand you can use Google Play on most of those sticks. A fully functioning store with thousands of programs/games is a pretty big difference. But tech wise no not really.
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Do you think that maybe one of the core reasons we don't see a lot of devices at the $100 price point that are good consoles and good media devices is because it's unreasonable to expect a $100 device to do both of those things well? Given that the controller is being sold at $50, what if they had just not packed it with a controller at all and spent that extra money on actual hardware and software developers? This goes back to something I said weeks ago. Ostensibly, these guys are trying to develop an ecosystem. Why do they have to manufacture a custom controller to develop an ecosystem?
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Atlas Hugged posted:Do you think that maybe one of the core reasons we don't see a lot of devices at the $100 price point that are good consoles and good media devices is because it's unreasonable to expect a $100 device to do both of those things well? I'm almost certain the controller is being sold at high margins to help make up what has to be razor thin margins on the console itself, first party console accessories are always way overpriced compared to how much they actually cost to make because it's one of the biggest money makers they have. They also had to make their own controller to get one with a touchpad on it so it could be used to control all the Android apps that presume you have a touch screen, only the recently unveiled PS4 controller has one as well and that's still months out from anyone being able to actually buy one.
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Now you point that out, it makes me wonder whether the lack of online multiplayer is more of a business move to sell more controllers since people will be more inclined to play splitscreen style instead. But that would imply business competence for a start.....
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