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RBA Starblade posted:I was thinking that, but he's surrounded by berserkers, assassins, sages, snipers, and wyvern lords, so they'd just die. If I just unequip Chrom's weapon, will the guy only attack him? That might work. Cathy from Sealed of Sword required you to talk to her once for multiple maps. For a thief that was inferior to your other thiefs.
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RBA Starblade posted:I was thinking that, but he's surrounded by berserkers, assassins, sages, snipers, and wyvern lords, so they'd just die. If I just unequip Chrom's weapon, will the guy only attack him? That might work. Katarina in New Mystery was basically the same deal as Gangrel, except the map was so small basically everyone was in her threat range.
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Apr 16, 2013 05:57
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Xavier in FE5 has a much, much more annoying gimmick, although it didn't involve chatting multiple times.
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Apr 16, 2013 05:59
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Cake Attack posted:Xavier in FE5 has a much, much more annoying gimmick, although it didn't involve chatting multiple times. Sure it did, nine times to be exact. It's just that you only had to do it once.
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Apr 16, 2013 06:08
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There's also Naesala in FE9 who you have to talk to with two different units without killing any of the ravens on the map (while they all try to attack you). I guess you don't recruit him, but you get a nice item and some good BEXP for his ravens surviving.
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My unit's are way harder to hit than I thought, so I was able to get him. The guy had better targets but only went after Chrom, I figured he'd try for a critical hit on someone else; that's what all the other AI do. quote:Xavier in FE5 has a much, much more annoying gimmick, although it didn't involve chatting multiple times. I started the series at 7, what'd you have to do there?
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RBA Starblade posted:I started the series at 7, what'd you have to do there? So basically there were eight civilians on the map and also eight Knights near Xavier and each one of the civvies had to talk with a specific knight and all eight of them had to do it to get Xavier and also there were a bunch of guys with Javelins and also unrelated Generals near Xavier that will kill the civvies with impunity and the map's very constrained and the civvies can't get through your units so you have to play Leaf's Army In Pursuit of Victory: Rotating Door Edition. Also you can't kill any of the Javelin guys or you don't get the Silver Card.
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Apr 16, 2013 06:28
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alcharagia posted:So basically there were eight civilians on the map and also eight Knights near Xavier and each one of the civvies had to talk with a specific knight and all eight of them had to do it to get Xavier and also there were a bunch of guys with Javelins and also unrelated Generals near Xavier that will kill the civvies with impunity and the map's very constrained and the civvies can't get through your units so you have to play Leaf's Army In Pursuit of Victory: Rotating Door Edition. Also you can't kill any of the Javelin guys or you don't get the Silver Card. That sounds absolutely horrifying. Was Xavier even worth getting after all that?
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Apr 16, 2013 08:10
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The Shortest Path posted:That sounds absolutely horrifying. Was Xavier even worth getting after all that? Of course not. Did you even need to ask? He was a general in the least general friendly game in the series. So, basically dead weight.
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Apr 16, 2013 08:12
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FE4 was way more unfriendly to generals than FE5. I mean, Generals are awful in every game but at least they might actually see combat in other games.
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Apr 16, 2013 08:15
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WrightOfWay posted:FE4 was way more unfriendly to generals than FE5. I mean, Generals are awful in every game but at least they might actually see combat in other games. Eh, you can make an argument that Generals are better end-game physical hitters over Great Knights, especially if they're for support. They have a weird combination of the highest attack with above-average skill and it's not like movement is a problem with Rescue, Movement rallies, pair-ups, etc. I could've sworn Gatrie was pretty good in one of the Ike games.
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Tae posted:Eh, you can make an argument that Generals are better end-game physical hitters over Great Knights, especially if they're for support. They have a weird combination of the highest attack with above-average skill and it's not like movement is a problem with Rescue, Movement rallies, pair-ups, etc. Gatrie has a pretty absurd speed growth in Radiant Dawn (60%), but Generals are pretty screwed by their caps and movement. He does well up until Endgame though. And Oswin in FE7 is pretty great, though since he doesn't help a ton with low turn count/ranked play (which is all anyone who talks about FE7 seems to talk about) he's usually overlooked. Awakening definitely has Generals at the best they've ever been.
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Apr 16, 2013 08:51
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RBA Starblade posted:My unit's are way harder to hit than I thought, so I was able to get him. The guy had better targets but only went after Chrom, I figured he'd try for a critical hit on someone else; that's what all the other AI do. I've found he preferentially attacks Chrom. Sort of has a vendetta against the guy. At least it makes him easier to recruit! Also, go and read the Let's Plays of the older Fire Emblem games in the archive. Get yourself up to snuff!
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Apr 16, 2013 13:42
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Gatrie was actually exceptionally good in Path of Radiance thanks to the Knight Ward boosting his Speed growth. Problem was that as good as Generals were in PoR, Paladins were even better and had more movement and removement and literally all of them but Geoffrey could get Axes on promotion (or already had them, like Titania) and your Paladin train + Ike basically curbstomped everything. Tauroneo was also good, but that's because of FE9's insanely broken Resolve skill.
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^I always thought the big problem with Taureneo in FE9 was that Resolve was too hard for him to use. Since he joined with such high Defense and Resistance, it was pretty hard to actually get him to low enough HP for Resolve to activate. Well, that and as you said, low movement, especially since most of the maps after you get him are fairly large.
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Apr 16, 2013 14:25
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Tae posted:Ugh, out of all the females Emmeryn is by far the worst. The male support conversation is 10 times more creepy than what people think of Nowi. I remember somebody talking about, uh, "taking advantage of the cute mentally disabled girl" on another forum? 
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Apr 16, 2013 14:41
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I remember somebody talking about, uh, "taking advantage of the cute mentally disabled girl" on another forum? That was serenes as well, by the way. All the anime creepers have come out in droves after Awakening. On the bright side, people called him out soon enough. Also, I don't like Aversa. Her support is clearly taking the piss at the brother-sister thing in Japan (at least her localisation is) but I can't say I find her especially pleasant regardless. At least she's not a complete dick to Morgan the way Walhart is. It's a shame that the spotpass characters are either boring, nasty or just flat-out creepy.
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SC Bracer posted:That was serenes as well, by the way. All the anime creepers have come out in droves after Awakening. On the bright side, people called him out soon enough. Did you just insult Gangrel? I think you just insulted Gangrel. 
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Wind God Sety posted:^I always thought the big problem with Taureneo in FE9 was that Resolve was too hard for him to use. Since he joined with such high Defense and Resistance, it was pretty hard to actually get him to low enough HP for Resolve to activate. Well, that and as you said, low movement, especially since most of the maps after you get him are fairly large.
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Tae posted:Eh, you can make an argument that Generals are better end-game physical hitters over Great Knights, especially if they're for support. They have a weird combination of the highest attack with above-average skill and it's not like movement is a problem with Rescue, Movement rallies, pair-ups, etc. Oswin was pretty great in seven as well.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Oswin was pretty great in seven as well. Oswin's bases are great but his growths? Eh.
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Okay, what would be the I deal to pass down from Nowi to a Donnel-fathered Nah? I'm not really in love with any of her skills, on the whole, and I really don't care for turn-dependent boosts like Odd Rhythm.
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Zore posted:Awakening definitely has Generals at the best they've ever been. Eh, they seem more like pair up fodder than actual units. I'd say FE11 and 12 had generals at their best, since you couldn't just dodge everything.
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Serifina posted:Okay, what would be the I deal to pass down from Nowi to a Donnel-fathered Nah? I'm not really in love with any of her skills, on the whole, and I really don't care for turn-dependent boosts like Odd Rhythm. http://serenesforest.net/fe13/children.html This may be able to help you a little bit in terms of deciding. For Nowi passing to Nah, I suggest passing her any level 15 skill from one of the second classes. I personally passed her Lifetaker. From Donnel, you should pass Counter, as Nah cannot learn it naturally...and Counter is always great streetpass trolling material.
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Lifetaker, Deliverer, or Swordbreaker are really the only good mother passdowns to Nah. Lifetaker is nice to keep her going while she levels, Deliverer gives her extra movement which can be nice, and Swordbreaker works for Wyrmslayers, but you're not likely to actually see very many of those in most maps.
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Nowi doesn't have anything Nah won't be able to get herself, and none of them are really that good to begin with. From Donnel alone, Nah can get Galeforce, Armsthrift, Sol, and Axebreaker (and Aptitude, if you have Donny pass it down  ), and it's painless for Nah to get Wyrmsbane considering she'll start as a L10 Manakete. I guess Lifetaker is the probably the best of Nowi's skills, if you want to make an unstoppable killing machine, or Deliverer for the extra movement.
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Tae posted:Oswin's bases are great but his growths? Eh. Wallace is terrible, though.
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Endorph posted:Wallace is terrible, though. Someone clearly didn't play on hard mode and grind him up to 20 before promotion.  He's actually an incredible unit if you can be assed to do that, though it's certainly a bit of a drag.
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The Shortest Path posted:Someone clearly didn't play on hard mode and grind him up to 20 before promotion.
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I wouldn't go that far even if you did grind him up. Sain or Kent would do better with that Knight's Crest. Besides, the map you recruit him on is terrible and should be avoided. Have I mentioned how great it is that Awakening has no fog of war? Because it's pretty awesome. 
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Artix posted:Nowi doesn't have anything Nah won't be able to get herself, and none of them are really that good to begin with. From Donnel alone, Nah can get Galeforce, Armsthrift, Sol, and Axebreaker (and Aptitude, if you have Donny pass it down Shoot, I forgot that Nah couldn't get the Hero class! Yeah, forget my previous statement about Counter; pass Armsthrift!
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The Shortest Path posted:Someone clearly didn't play on hard mode and grind him up to 20 before promotion. And yeah, if you're grinding someone to 20/1 in Lyn's story, make it Kent or Sain. They actually WOULD kick rear end, then.
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Slur posted:Shoot, I forgot that Nah couldn't get the Hero class! ...But she can, if Donny is her dad. Hero isn't a gender-exclusive class. You're better off passing down aptitude or something, since Counter is only really useful in Streetpass.
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Slur posted:Shoot, I forgot that Nah couldn't get the Hero class! Yeah she can. Anyone who passes down Hero through Mercenary will pass it to daughters, it's just the dads that only pass it down through Fighter that don't, like Gaius.
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Slur posted:Shoot, I forgot that Nah couldn't get the Hero class! What? Nah can become a Hero. The exclusive male class is Fighter->Warrior/Berserker for Nah. The Shortest Path posted:Yeah she can. Anyone who passes down Hero through Mercenary will pass it to daughters, it's just the dads that only pass it down through Fighter that don't, like Gaius. But not Vaike 
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I don't quite see the point of passing down Armsthrift when Dragonstones+ are available from SpotPass Tiki. Is there some other non-manakete build I am not seeing here if I have DLC? ...Bride?
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Tae posted:What? Nah can become a Hero. The exclusive male class is Fighter->Warrior/Berserker for Nah. My memory's really jumbled, and I honestly need to stop posing at 10 in the morning. I thought Donnel didn't pass Mercenary, and then I thought it through again and realized he did. Pass Counter. Also, I'm going to be keeping Olivia in my party because of her S rank support with Chrom. What's her best finishing class? Slur fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Apr 16, 2013 |
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:I don't quite see the point of passing down Armsthrift when Dragonstones+ are available from SpotPass Tiki. Is there some other non-manakete build I am not seeing here if I have DLC? Why would you ever pass down Armsthrift when Nah can get it on her own? Pass Aptitude or Counter from Donnel. And besides, Armsthrift is more for infinite Forged Brave/Legendary weapons than Dragonstones, though it is nice to stick a Dragonstone+ on her and never have to worry about arming her again. Artix fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 16, 2013 |
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