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Tshirt Ninja posted:Publicly broadcast police scanner transmissions worry me sometimes. Obviously in cases like this they're an incredibly valuable tool for first hand reporting when the news media fails so badly, but does their value outweigh the danger they pose to tipping off criminals/accomplishes and enabling interference with the mission? You are absolutely right and there is going to be a serious conversation among journalists in the weeks to come about the ethics and responsibilities of sharing what they hear over police scanners that will hopefully be picked up by other people who use social media.
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something posted:Ok So I read the first few pages and i don't understand what's happened in the last little while regarding the bombings that sounds to be huge. Can someone give me a crash course on what I've missed? One of the suspects died last night, the other was captured a couple of hours ago.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:57
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something posted:Ok So I read the first few pages and i don't understand what's happened in the last little while regarding the bombings that sounds to be huge. Can someone give me a crash course on what I've missed? The second suspect was captured alive while hiding in a boat under a tarp. Much celebrating.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:57
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It would serve us better to have him declared insane committed to a mental institution and then deprogrammed. It would shed a lot of light on how these things happen, what causes people to do that, what types of traits to look for etc.. etc.. Basically study him for the rest of his life in a quiet safe enviroment where study of him benefits society,but that's not going to happen.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:57
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Speaking of movie miranda rights, can't wait for the SVU episode where the bomber is also a sexually abused sociopath and all the federal/state interactions are 'tense as gently caress'
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Apr 20, 2013 04:57
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something posted:Ok So I read the first few pages and i don't understand what's happened in the last little while regarding the bombings that sounds to be huge. Can someone give me a crash course on what I've missed?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:58
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Wait, they found *A* suspect in the first place? How did I miss that... Either way, glad to hear. Good they got at least one of them alive too.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:58
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My neighbor, a firefighter/EMT, just got home. I live in a small condo building with ~20 units, and most of us were waiting for him to come back. The guy is amazing, was gone over 21 hours. I'm honored to be able to say he's a friend.
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I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more
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Apr 20, 2013 04:58
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Publicly broadcast police scanner transmissions worry me sometimes. Obviously in cases like this they're an incredibly valuable tool for first hand reporting when the news media fails so badly, but does their value outweigh the danger they pose to tipping off criminals/accomplishes and enabling interference with the mission?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:58
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This whole ordeal was so surreal. Listening to this happening from Finland and cheering when the guy got taken in. Drinks all around and mad props to Boston Police officers and all involved in the manhunt.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:59
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Friend posted:I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more Yeah, that does seem like something that should have come up sooner.
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Apr 20, 2013 04:59
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What's the shitstorm that is going to come down from the FBI clearing the older brother. Is anyone watching MSNBC?
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Apr 20, 2013 04:59
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jaegerx posted:A family still in shock Fabrica Muamba also hadn't been shot multiple times.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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Friend posted:I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more It was on NPR Boston from like 8 AM on.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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The contrasts between this and the Dorner situation in LA really jump out at me. I'm not sure if the law enforcement personnel in Boston were under strict orders to take him alive or if they just in general have their poo poo together, but as a resident of SoCal I see this as a good example of how to hold our police to a higher standard in the future. That's how it's done Boston, good for you.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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booshi posted:My neighbor, a firefighter/EMT, just got home. I live in a small condo building with ~20 units, and most of us were waiting for him to come back. Let him get dinner and sleep, buy him a sixer of something good tomorrow. Tell him that people all over the world are amazed at the great job they did.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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Fancy Corndog posted:It means that they can't legally use anything he confessed to while he was laying on the ground covered in blood there in that pic against him in court. Other evidence is fine though, and I think they actually did read it to him a good while ago. Yeah--Miranda rights aren't a magic get-out-of-jail-free card, and under the circumstances it won't really matter.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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Friend posted:I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more Not only that, but that cops say there had been domestic disturbances at his house in the recent past. This could all hinge on a fight with his baby mama.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:00
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Friend posted:I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more
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natetimm posted:The contrasts between this and the Dorner situation in LA really jump out at me. I'm not sure if the law enforcement personnel in Boston were under strict orders to take him alive or if they just in general have their poo poo together, but as a resident of SoCal I see this as a good example of how to hold our police to a higher standard in the future. That's how it's done Boston, good for you. They had to have been under orders to try to take him alive. I believe all they ever did was shoot rubber bullets at him, flash bang him, and tear gas him.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:01
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Lots of misinformation about the Miranda warning issue here (although I realize someone posted a brief explanation already). They're planning to use the public safety exception:quote:A 2011 FBI memorandum says agents may delay reading Miranda rights to a suspect in “exceptional cases” when the FBI “conclude[s] that continued unwarned interrogation is necessary to collect valuable and timely intelligence not related to any immediate threat.” According to a DOJ spokesperson, this guidance exists because “the threat posed by terrorist organizations and the nature of their attacks—which can include multiple accomplices and interconnected plots—creates fundamentally different public safety concerns than traditional criminal cases.” Needless to say, this guidance is controversial, as it extends the public safety exemption beyond truly imminent threats to encompass more distant — but also potentially more deadly — future threats.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:01
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Accordion Man posted:He did? That really is strange how literally no one mentioned that, especially because they were interviewing all the relatives. Probably because no one wants to paint him as anything remotely positive or valuable to society right now. See: CNN and the Steubenville rapists.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:02
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octoroon posted:Yeah, that does seem like something that should have come up sooner. In the midst of a manhunt for his cohort in savagery, such aspects of a suspect's life are always going to take a backseat. I can only hops his child will one day take the lessons of her father's life and use them to rise above the hatred and division from which she came.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:02
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Hollis posted:What's the shitstorm that is going to come down from the FBI clearing the older brother. Is anyone watching MSNBC? Oh MSNBC never mind. Probably something about Chris Matthews saying it's republicans' fault for making us not trust russians.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:02
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the popes toes posted:"the dead guy talked me into it" generally isn't a winning defense. He was better educated, he evaded capture with more skill than his brother, - offhand he seems like the smarter one. Just because he looks more angelic than the brutish older bigger dead guy doesn't mean he was the snookered unwilling one. Even with how much influence the other might have had, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He had a worldful of options ranging from saying "let's do something else" to intentionally miswiring the bombs to calling in a threat at the marathon to throwing the bomb he carried in the river. I'm not sure about skill at evading capture, either. He hung out in a boat in a backyard without food, water, or first aid, waiting for dark. Then he got seen because he didn't stay out of sight.
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So what's the likelihood of this case going to court before, say, the 2016 election? I learned recently that Nidal Malik Hasan isn't having his court martial until May of this year, and that blows my mind, since I've already gone through pretty much an entire enlistment in the interim.
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something posted:Ok So I read the first few pages and i don't understand what's happened in the last little while regarding the bombings that sounds to be huge. Can someone give me a crash course on what I've missed? Maybe they practiced journalist integrity to not ruin more lives? Oh who the gently caress am I kidding.
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booshi posted:They had to have been under orders to try to take him alive. I believe all they ever did was shoot rubber bullets at him, flash bang him, and tear gas him.
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Misandrist Duck posted:You are absolutely right and there is going to be a serious conversation among journalists in the weeks to come about the ethics and responsibilities of sharing what they hear over police scanners that will hopefully be picked up by other people who use social media.
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Fancy Corndog posted:Impeach Obama! The FBI already admitted that they did talk to the older brother a few years back and didn't find anything substantial to either continue questioning him or outright arrest him. Lots of people are gonna' second-guess the FBI over that.
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Misandrist Duck posted:You are absolutely right and there is going to be a serious conversation among journalists in the weeks to come about the ethics and responsibilities of sharing what they hear over police scanners that will hopefully be picked up by other people who use social media. Yeah. Law enforcement pretty much knew a few hours in that it was being broadcast over the internet. I'm sure the tactical and important stuff was kept to a more secure form of communication. Most of what we heard was just logistical or minor updates. Up until they already had him, we didn't really know what was going on other than they used flashbangs and were arguing whether or not to LIGHT THE SUN IN THE NIGHT SKY or whatever that badass term for turning some lights on was.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:04
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Accordion Man posted:He did? That really is strange how literally no one mentioned that, especially because they were interviewing all the relatives. NPR was talking about it on my drive home today. Apparently some of his wife's friends said he used to be rather controlling and abusive. But apparently everyone said really nice things about the other brother, so. . .
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Apr 20, 2013 05:04
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Fintilgin posted:I'm betting the 200,000+ people on in the internet evesdropping on them will probably provide a kick in the pants to a lot of police departments to move to fully encrypted coms of some sort. They already have fully encrypted channels and use them frequently. Having an open public channel means they don't have to bother with giving 9000 cops encryption codes if all they are doing is fetching water.
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Friend posted:I listened to the scanner and read the news and the thread all day today. How is it that I only just now learned that black hat had a wife and daughter? Seems like that would have come up more http://www.abc6.com/story/22028023/wife-of-terror-suspect-from-north-kingtown I'm guessing it's the woman with him in the pictures of the boxing gym? I didn't catch that either. e: trying to find cached link to boxing gym photos. The original link was taken down.
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Apr 20, 2013 05:04
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Finally I come home to some good news for once.
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I can't recall whether it's been mentioned here specifically, but the older brother has a wife and child in another state that he went to visit on weekends. I think she was also an american citizen that he convinced to convert to islam when they were married. They may have been separated because of domestic abuse that happened several years ago.
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No matter what happens the rest of the week, month, year, decade, century, or millenia, if there is one thing this week will be remembered for that isn't the bravery of the entire city of Boston, let it be this: For at least one day, we lived in a time where we could seriously say the sentence "4 police robots searched an elderly man before he was cleared of any suspicious doings."
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Accordion Man posted:He did? That really is strange how literally no one mentioned that, especially because they were interviewing all the relatives. I head it on tv a few times. I believe he got her pregnant, stopped boxing and pretty much became a stay at home dad.
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Castomira posted:So what's the likelihood of this case going to court before, say, the 2016 election? I learned recently that Nidal Malik Hasan isn't having his court martial until May of this year, and that blows my mind, since I've already gone through pretty much an entire enlistment in the interim. Depends on whether or not the government decides to let him take a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. If it's a death penalty trial, look for it to wrap up a couple years from now.
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