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 While anti-gay protesters in France commit savage gay bashings, fight riot police by using toddlers as human shields, and attack reporters and the windows of gay bars, Brian Brownshirt writes this on NOM's blog: quote:In France spontaneous peaceful demonstrations by young people protesting their government's determination to ignore the voice of the people is causing headaches across the country. For the government, this is becoming a major headache. These young people are making sure government officials' support for gay marriage is not forgotten. Violence did break out but not from the pro-marriage protestors. Change is coming, something new is stirring. The truth will win out. No lie too big, no low they won't stoop to, etc.
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Turnquiet posted:Huh. Looks like the Mormon church is feeling the strain of losing membership and decreased youth activity stemming from their anti-gay policies. Mother Jones has an article. Just out of curiosity, what did you think of the Mormon Church regarding handling Civil Rights issues? This isn't the first time the Mormons have been way behind on certain issues. Last time I checked they were one of the last institutions to change their mind about CR because they were backed into a corner with no way out. Makes you question the institution entirely to be frank.
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Apr 19, 2013 18:53
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Now that the right wing opposition to same sex marriage has no way of stopping the law they're doing this: Justice minister is in pink, her assistant being attacked is the guy next to her, whose back is shown. http://www.tetu.com/actualites/france/mariage-pour-tous-lassemblee-a-termine-lexamen-dans-une-ambiance-inoue-23244 video at the link(no video of the fight though) So basically around 5 am the right winger MP is complaining that the riot police is beating up poor protesters for being against same sex marriage  and the Socialist assistant of the Justice minister apparently laughs it off (Socialist MPs say it was just a sigh) so the right wing MPs decide to attack him physically, prompting a suspension of Parliament.
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Apr 19, 2013 19:40
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God drat France, how is your right-wing acting crazier than the Tea Party here?
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Apr 19, 2013 20:12
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:One of the planks of the Texas GOP is overturning Lawrence and enforcing sodomy laws again I think it was in 2008 the Oklahoma GOP platform included a plank calling for banning homosexuals from teaching in public schools.
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Apr 19, 2013 20:15
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Amused to Death posted:God drat France, how is your right-wing acting crazier than the Tea Party here? Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 19, 2013 |
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Apr 19, 2013 20:21
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Amused to Death posted:God drat France, how is your right-wing acting crazier than the Tea Party here? France has maintained a more rebellious spirit than America. It's no surprise that this includes the right as well as the left.
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Apr 19, 2013 20:22
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The Stranger has an article supporting the suits against the florist who refused service to a gay couple's wedding (possibly NSFW ads). For those of you who haven't been following: last election, Washington passed a gay marriage referendum. Shortly after, a gay couple went to their florist to ask her to provide flowers for their wedding. The florist refused on religious grounds. So, a few weeks ago, a lawyer with the AG's office filed a consumer protection suit against the florist for violating Washington's anti-discrimination law. In addition, the gay couple recently also filed a suit against her. Of course, NOM and the rest of the usual suspects are all over this. The weird thing about it, though, is that a lot of gay advocates are jumping in on the side of the florist; largely, I think, because they think it's a bad PR move for the gay marriage movement, and that it lends credence to the anti-equality side's argument that we're going to be forcing churches to marry gays. But man, gently caress these people; if this florist had refused to perform services for an interracial wedding, no one would be batting an eye at the AG's office for going after them. And this florist is not a church. I mean, I find the idea that a church would refuse to perform a marriage for a gay couple basically as bad as them refusing to perform a marriage for an interracial couple, but whatever; they're a church, and we've decided churches get special rights in this country, and it's a compromise I'm willing to live with, even if they're horrible loving assholes. But this lady isn't a church; this is a business; this is like a lunch counter making the negroes go someplace else. And my state has decided that you don't get to discriminate against gay people, so if she doesn't like it, she can suck on my states' rights and move to Alabama, where they have more tolerance for that kind of bigotry. Like the article says, the whole point of these anti-discrimination laws is so that people can't loving discriminate; if we're scared to enforce them, we may as well not loving have them.
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Apr 19, 2013 20:36
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Horrible new poll of Ohio. 48-44 in favor of marriage. Support just isn't there outside of Democrats and young people. 52% of women is not nearly enough to run up the score among groups that always vote for marriage. Scheduled for Tuesday: Senate Committee vote in Rhode Island. Should pass. House floor vote in Delaware. 
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Apr 19, 2013 21:49
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Rio de Janeiro has become the 11th state in Brazil to make same-sex marriage legal.
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Apr 19, 2013 22:17
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Tony Perkins is literally poo poo squeezed out of the anus of Satan.quote:If Congress wants to stop these tragedies, then it has to address the government's own hostility to the institution of the family and organizations that can address the real problem: the human heart. As I've said before, America doesn't need gun control, it needs self-control. And a Congress that actively discourages it through abortion, family breakdown, sexual liberalism, or religious hostility is only compounding the problem.
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Apr 19, 2013 23:02
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I love how every time Republicans complain about Democrats "politicizing a tragedy" they pretend that the religious right doesn't exist because they are the very worst. Literally every tragedy is caused by abortion, taking prayer out of schools, or gays.
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Apr 19, 2013 23:07
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staticman posted:
Well they're right about that last part, just not in the way they think. The worst thing that can happen for the anti gay marriage side is for it to pass, because it seems to very quickly become a non issue wherever it does.
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Apr 20, 2013 03:23
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HappyHippo posted:because it seems to very quickly become a non issue wherever it does. Pretty much. It's easy to be against something that is new and hasn't passed in too many places because it can still be seen as foreign and unwanted. I think that's partially responsible for why change is happening at an exponential rate. It's harder to argue that gay marriage will cause the government to collapse and morales to die when it's passed in more and more places and life goes on as always.
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Apr 20, 2013 03:27
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Final vote in the National Assembly is scheduled to happen on Tuesday. I can't wait until that poo poo is over. I just hope things settle down once the bill has passed.
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Apr 20, 2013 13:52
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Sweeney Tom posted:Rio de Janeiro has become the 11th state in Brazil to make same-sex marriage legal. In terms of the number of people benefiting from the decision, this is a really big deal. The state of Rio de Janeiro has over 15 million people which is larger than many countries.
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Apr 20, 2013 20:09
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The Community of Christ (formerly the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) at their national conference today have voted to recommend that the church recognize and perform same-gender marriages and appoint priests irrespective of sexual orientation.quote:After hearing multiple perspectives, the USA National Conference, by more than the required 67-percent majority, made the following recommendations to the Community of Christ First Presidency and Council of Twelve Apostles: http://www.cofchrist.org/usaconf/ The world church claims about a quarter of a million members, over a hundred and thirty thousand in the USA. They have a strong presence all over the Midwest. It's great to see more churches embracing equality in both marriage and pastoral roles. The recommendation of the conference still has to be approved by their highest council but the members I've talked to are confident it will be approved there as well.
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Apr 21, 2013 21:30
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I don't understand. Would this make the mormon church officially pro marriage equality? 
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Apr 21, 2013 23:42
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Brigadier Sockface posted:I don't understand. Would this make the mormon church officially pro marriage equality? Uhhh no, that's not the Mormon church. It's some heretic splinter I think.
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Apr 21, 2013 23:45
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They're the mormons who decided not to go west early in their history, and they became a very different church.
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Apr 21, 2013 23:53
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I wouldn't be completely shocked if the Mormon church did a complete 180 on gays. It isn't as though they have been completely static through history. They might find it to be more profitable one day, I guess.
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baby puzzle posted:I wouldn't be completely shocked if the Mormon church did a complete 180 on gays. It isn't as though they have been completely static through history. They might find it to be more profitable one day, I guess. It will be like when they started ordaining black men in to the church fully in the early 70s. One day it will be sinful, the next it will just as normal as water and no one will have any idea what you are talking about prop 8 what?
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Apr 22, 2013 00:21
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Brigadier Sockface posted:I don't understand. Would this make the mormon church officially pro marriage equality? They're a cult offshoot of a cult.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:They're a cult offshoot of a cult. More like the cousin who doesn't talk to Utah much.
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Apr 22, 2013 02:26
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silvergoose posted:Uhhh no, that's not the Mormon church. It's some heretic splinter I think. Nostalgia4Infinity posted:They're a cult offshoot of a cult. So they've gone so far from their Mormon roots that they've managed to loop back into the mainstream? Works for me. fade5 fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Apr 22, 2013 02:41
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Orillion posted:Final vote in the National Assembly is scheduled to happen on Tuesday. We can only hope, the political climate is sickening now. Case in point, the speaker of the National Assembly received a threatening letter today: quote:The speaker of the National Assembly, Claude Bartolone, received on Monday, April 22 an envelope containing gunpowder and a letter putting him "on notice to postpone the final vote on the marriage for all bill" due on Tuesday, announced his entourage. Kassad fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Apr 22, 2013 12:00
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Oh hey Frigide Barjot(leader of the Anti-same sex marriage movement) with MP Gilbert Collard (FN, far right party) at an anti-same sex marriage protest: Kassad posted:We can only hope, the political climate is sickening now. Holy poo poo, from the letter: "Marriage for all equals total destruction of marriage" HOW? gently caress I hate these bastards. Edit: Another homophobic aggression in Nice:  Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Apr 22, 2013 12:38
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I've been telling myself that one upside of the French right losing their loving minds over marriage equality will help discredit their cause with the wider public because holy poo poo what kind of lunatic calls for a civil war because gay people are going to be able to marry? Any idea if this is actually true? I'd hope that the French public is disgusted with the increased homophobic violence and the increasingly insane rhetoric coming out of the anti-gay camp but I haven't seen anything on public reaction to recent events.
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Apr 22, 2013 12:56
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:They're a cult offshoot of a cult.
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Apr 22, 2013 13:59
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Crameltonian posted:I've been telling myself that one upside of the French right losing their loving minds over marriage equality will help discredit their cause with the wider public because holy poo poo what kind of lunatic calls for a civil war because gay people are going to be able to marry? Any idea if this is actually true? I'd hope that the French public is disgusted with the increased homophobic violence and the increasingly insane rhetoric coming out of the anti-gay camp but I haven't seen anything on public reaction to recent events. Local elections are coming up in 2014 and I think the UMP is going to surf on the homophobia wave to motivate their troops to vote in these low participation elections, so sadly I think it's going to continue for a while.
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Apr 22, 2013 15:32
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Kurtofan posted:Local elections are coming up in 2014 and I think the UMP is going to surf on the homophobia wave to motivate their troops to vote in these low participation elections, so sadly I think it's going to continue for a while. I'd read that the campaigners were planning to focus on local elections, which seems odd for a number of reasons. Is same-sex marriage really going to be that much of an issue in a year's time? Opposition to it tends to dissipate pretty quickly after it passes so I don't know how much success they'll have motivating people to campaign against it in 2014, although France seems to be a bit of a special case compared to other Western nations. Plus it seems like a fairly empty threat to me- if you pass this bill then by god we'll... vote you out in the local elections next year? It seems like an ineffectual response, although that might be my ignorance of French politics speaking.
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I remember here in Canada after it passed the Conservatives were all angry that the Liberal party whipped its vote and ran on "reopening the debate" with a free vote on whether to keep it. Later when they'd won it was such a non-issue that they sheepishly put forth a motion to see if they would put forth a bill, which was quickly defeated. Nobody has talked about it since.
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Apr 22, 2013 17:53
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Crameltonian posted:I'd read that the campaigners were planning to focus on local elections, which seems odd for a number of reasons. Is same-sex marriage really going to be that much of an issue in a year's time? Opposition to it tends to dissipate pretty quickly after it passes so I don't know how much success they'll have motivating people to campaign against it in 2014, although France seems to be a bit of a special case compared to other Western nations. Plus it seems like a fairly empty threat to me- if you pass this bill then by god we'll... vote you out in the local elections next year? It seems like an ineffectual response, although that might be my ignorance of French politics speaking. The thing is that voter apathy is probably going to be big, especially on the left, so the right wants to whip up the homophobia to court religious voters to make them "angry vote" for the right. I don't think it's going to be a majority of people but with a low participation even a minority of very religious people could swing the balance to the right. It won't do anything in regard to gay marriage but it's not like the politicians really care about it. Also the UMP party elections are coming up too and basically if a candidate was for same sex marriage he would lose the extremist Catholic militant votes. HappyHippo posted:I remember here in Canada after it passed the Conservatives were all angry that the Liberal party whipped its vote and ran on "reopening the debate" with a free vote on whether to keep it. Later when they'd won it was such a non-issue that they sheepishly put forth a motion to see if they would put forth a bill, which was quickly defeated. Nobody has talked about it since. The right and the protesters also want a referendum on the issue, but the French Constitution doesn't allow for referendum on societal issues, meaning a same sex marriage referendum is illegal.The funny part is that Mitterand wanted to changed the constitution back then to allow such referendums but the right refused, claiming it was "demagoguery" eh. Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Apr 22, 2013 18:37
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Say what you will about the French, but drat if they aren't passionate people across the board. I wouldn't mind a fistfight or two in the legislature if it was over something actually important, but it wouldn't be.
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Apr 22, 2013 19:16
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Thanatosian posted:The weird thing about it, though, is that a lot of gay advocates are jumping in on the side of the florist; largely, I think, because they think it's a bad PR move for the gay marriage movement, and that it lends credence to the anti-equality side's argument that we're going to be forcing churches to marry gays. But man, gently caress these people; if this florist had refused to perform services for an interracial wedding, no one would be batting an eye at the AG's office for going after them. The reason there is this weird divide (especially considering that the Washington AG's Office is still full of people McKenna, our last AG who was anti gay marriage, brought on) is that Washington State law officially make sexual orientation a protected class. Discriminating against someone on those grounds (barring certain exceptions, such as private clubs, religions, etc...) is entirely illegal.
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OMGVBFLOL posted:Say what you will about the French, but drat if they aren't passionate people across the board. I wouldn't mind a fistfight or two in the legislature if it was over something actually important, but it wouldn't be.
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Apr 22, 2013 19:31
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evil_bunnY posted:There was one in the lower chamber, actually. 8D Was that some UMP/FN MP and the assistant for the Justice minister/cabineteer/whatever the french call it?
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Apr 22, 2013 20:51
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Teddybear posted:Was that some UMP/FN MP and the assistant for the Justice minister/cabineteer/whatever the french call it? It was UMP MP that wanted to punch an assistant of the Justice minister who apparently scoffed at this:  It's a UMP MP presenting a ballerina, apparently the proof of police violence against peaceful protesters.
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Apr 22, 2013 21:09
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Kurtofan posted:It was UMP MP that wanted to punch an assistant of the Justice minister who apparently scoffed at this: Y'know, a lot of times I regret learning Spanish instead of French. This is one of those times.
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Kurtofan posted:It was UMP MP that wanted to punch an assistant of the Justice minister who apparently scoffed at this: Now I'm picturing a crowd of rioting ballerinas. They're really strong and pretty much impervious to pain, so I imagine they could really wreck some damage.
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