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Baronjutter posted:Western exclusion strikes again... Something something at least we're not Toronto
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:13 |
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Don't make me start up OC Transpo chat in this biznitch.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:14 |
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drat, that's a classy McDonald's, Zeeboi. Wanna go to Salzburg for a cheeseburg. Also, I just threw a dart at a map of Canada to determine which other region we could poo poo on, and Mr. Pointy recommends we be upset at Cut Knife, Saskatchewan.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:14 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:drat, that's a classy McDonald's, Zeeboi. Wanna go to Salzburg for a cheeseburg. Man, they're in Saskatchewan. That should be harsh enough.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Also, I just threw a dart at a map of Canada to determine which other region we could poo poo on, and Mr. Pointy recommends we be upset at Cut Knife, Saskatchewan. The entirety of Alberta always makes a good fallback plan. Never understood the Toronto hate. Everyone I grew up around has pretty neutral feelings about Ontario and reserves most of their real loathing for Calgary and Fort Mac.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:19 |
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Team THEOLOGY posted:If only there was somewhere else in Canada where we could bicker like this over at least it wouldn't be directed solely at QC all the time. Alberta gets plenty of grief in these threads already! Speaking of which (and MPs in trouble): quote:BMO settles with most in Alberta mortgage fraud lawsuit Dreylad fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Helsing posted:Come on folks, I'm noticing a disturbing lack of Fordchat. Did you know, for instance, that our mayor is fat? You mean like this little cbc article? For instance, I didn't know about this: His sister, Kathy, for example, has had links to drug dealers and has been in the middle of a number of bizarre and violent incidents. In 1998, Kathy’s ex-husband, Ennio Stirpe, shot and killed her then-boyfriend, Michael Kiklas. In 2005, Kathy sustained a gunshot wound to the face during an altercation between two men in the kitchen of her parents’ home; she survived the shooting but required major reconstructive surgery. In January 2012, one of those men, a convicted drug dealer and long-time common-law partner named Scott MacIntyre, was charged with threatening to murder her brother Rob at his Etobicoke home.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:23 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Man, they're in Saskatchewan. That should be harsh enough. I've never understood the Saskatchewan hate. It comes from everyone's opinions they gleaned off of "that one time I took Hwy #1 to Calgary". It's a large, diverse province that's home to a very progressive population (overshadowed by a slim margin by conservative voters) with a great arts scene and a once-vibrant film industry. This smug dismissiveness from people in Ontario breeds a bunch of the regional malaise out West. Besides, bunnyofdoom should appreciate the Eye of Goodale in Regina-Wascana.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:24 |
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I think we can all agree that the stupidest, least laudable region of Canada is, in fact, all of it.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:29 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I think we can all agree that the stupidest, least laudable region of Canada is, in fact, all of it. We could try hating St. Pierre and Miquelon maybe?
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:31 |
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Geoid posted:I've never understood the Saskatchewan hate. It comes from everyone's opinions they gleaned off of "that one time I took Hwy #1 to Calgary". Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I think we can all agree that the stupidest, least laudable region of Canada is, in fact, all of it. (My Dad and his family are all from there. It's more because I like to tease him. Correct me if I wrong, but doesn't Sask have the second largest population of French Canadians outside of Quebec?)
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:32 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Exactly. It's boring. What. By number, it's Ontario - 500,000. By percentage, it's New Brunswick, about a third. Manitoba also has a significant french population. Saskatchewan, really not.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:34 |
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Obviously polls are proving practically worthless for calling elections, but its hard not to see immense significance in this:quote:Just 13 per cent of Canadians believe Prime Minister Stephen Harper is telling the truth when he says he had no knowledge of Nigel Wright’s $90,000-bailout of Sen. Mike Duffy, according to a new poll. General impressions: -Harper benefited for years from cultivating a reputation as a control freak. Ignatieff tried to use this against him by saying that Harper hated democracy, but in the context of a global recession the Liberal attempts to paint Harper as controlling may have actually benefited the CPC at a time when voters craved stability. Now, however, his control freak persona is biting him in the rear end because virtually no one finds it plausible that his Chief of Staff would cut a $90,000 check without Harper's approval. -The Conservatives are Clinging hard to the 3 in 10 Canadians who don't think this is a big deal. They are basically at their historical floor right now. -There is a mild but still notable drop in Trudeau's numbers and commensurate rise in Mulcair's numbers since the scandal started. I suspect this reflects the NDP's more popular position on the senate and the fact that Mulcair has been doing a great job in Parliament while Trudeau hasn't presented himself very well. -If the NDP are polling around 27% then that suggests that the party hasn't bled as much support as some might fear. This is only 3.5% points below their May 2nd 2011 results and suggests that Mulcair's strategy of performing really well in Parliament might be more viable than I have given him credit for. Obviously these polls don't say anything about 2015 but they do bolster the impression that the last couple weeks in Canadian politics have the potential to be a real game changer going forward.
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Pinterest Mom posted:What. Welp, once again, I am wrong. At least I did say I might be wrong in the case before falpping my gums
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:45 |
ZeeBoi posted:They should use the honour system where it's the people's responsibility to buy their ticket/pass before boarding any public transit. Eliminate fare boxes, etc. but employ plain clothes inspectors who hand out juicy fines for those that didn't pay for their fare. I agree with this, in response to Lexicon. They did a study in Vancouver (which basically functions this way until they start actually making those fare gates work) and found that something like 2% of people didn't pay for their tickets, and they were generally the poorest of the poor who couldn't afford it. Otherwise, I don't agree that there should be bus fares, I think they should be subsidized as well, and I say this as a car owner who is a very infrequent user of public transit. Usually the only time I use public transit is when I'm in downtown Vancouver, I find it easier to park my car at Waterfront station and take the skytrain or buses around. That's like once every three or four months, at most. HookShot fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 20:49 |
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I used to pay $2.25 to go from Finch Station to Queen's Park which was like a 45 min subway ride but to go to work from Gilmore Station to Stadium-Chinatown it's $4 for 2 Zone on the Skytrain plus I have to transfer over and it still takes less than half that time. It's me, I'm mad about Vancouver transit fares.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 21:06 |
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I ride a bike specifically because the 129 is either 10 mins early or 30 mins late during peak commute times. Also fares.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 21:18 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:
There actually are some French colonies in Saskatchewan (e.g. Gravelboug, Val Marie), however the number of practicing Francophones - the Fransaskois - are pretty small. Regina has only one Francophone school and when I knew people there their graduating class was around 8 and everyone was proficient in English. Saskatchewan is actually the only province with its second-most spoken language neither English nor French, however (German, although I can't find a citation for this right now).
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 21:25 |
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Geoid posted:Saskatchewan is actually the only province with its second-most spoken language neither English nor French, however (German, although I can't find a citation for this right now). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Saskatchewan#Languages should do it. 2006 census has the specific data. French is only spoken by 1.7% of the population of the province.
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Geoid posted:Saskatchewan is actually the only province with its second-most spoken language neither English nor French, however (German, although I can't find a citation for this right now). I have no stats to hand, but I call total bullshit on this, at least with respect to BC. Are you seriously suggesting that BC has more French speakers than Mandarin/Cantonese/Hindi?
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 21:29 |
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^^: Good on the Cree and Ojibway for keeping their language alive.Geoid posted:There actually are some French colonies in Saskatchewan (e.g. Gravelboug, Val Marie), however the number of practicing Francophones - the Fransaskois - are pretty small. Regina has only one Francophone school and when I knew people there their graduating class was around 8 and everyone was proficient in English. Nonsense. French is the sixth most spoken language in BC (and only if you consider all Chinese as one language). http://www.welcomebc.ca/welcome_bc/media/Media-Gallery/docs/communities/Census-2011-Languages.pdf ocrumsprug fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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Yeah I'm a native French speaker in BC and I know like 4 people that aren't my mom and brother who are fluent or even somewhat fluent in French.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 21:48 |
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Semi-related, it really is jarring how absurd French announcements on Westjet flights from San Francisco to Vancouver/Calgary are (the routes I fly frequently).
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:13 |
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mr. unhsib posted:Semi-related, it really is jarring how absurd French announcements on Westjet flights from San Francisco to Vancouver/Calgary are (the routes I fly frequently). I agree it's jarring, but seems wholly appropriate given the dual-official language thing. The real solution is to get rid of 90% of flight announcements - most of them are plodding, interminable redundancy. I'm sure there are many flights where the airline knows that 100% of the passengers have taken dozens of flights - do these people really need to be shown yet again how to clip in the seatbelt? I get that there's lots of things to consider with airline safety, and the possibility of new passengers and so on... but right now there's so little information content in flight announcements that people mostly don't listen anyway.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:33 |
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Who's up for some classic anti-CBC whining? That ungreatful CBC.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:34 |
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One of the reasons I'd love transit to be subsidized as fare-less just like cars (with the exception of toll roads of course) is so that transit organizations can design vehicles and stops and stations for maximum accessibility, flow, and safety. Forcing everyone through tight little bottlenecks all day everyday is so goddamn inefficient, slow, dangerous, and terrible for everyone but especially for a lot of people who have mobility issues or simply have things to carry. Worst case scenario: Ever been in a busy subway station at rush hour? Ok, now imagine some kind of emergency happens, forcing evacuation. Quick, everybody out through the meat grinder! Oh, I mean turnstiles!
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:41 |
Whatever happened to that douchebag that was suing Air Canada because they didn't have a French speaking flight attendant on board and he demanded to be served in French despite being fluent in English?
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:42 |
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El Scotch posted:Who's up for some classic anti-CBC whining? Hah, the comments section has completely turned against the sentiment in the article.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:48 |
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HookShot posted:Whatever happened to that douchebag that was suing Air Canada because they didn't have a French speaking flight attendant on board and he demanded to be served in French despite being fluent in English? The Supreme Court accepted the case last month.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 22:53 |
Twiin posted:The Supreme Court accepted the case last month. It's not even like Air Canada is owned by the government anymore, if I went into basically any store in Vancouver and demanded service in French I'd be laughed out of there.
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HookShot posted:Whatever happened to that douchebag that was suing Air Canada because they didn't have a French speaking flight attendant on board and he demanded to be served in French despite being fluent in English? It's poo poo like this that form the bank of anecdotes westerns collect to support their "uhg forced bilingualism is awful, the Quebecois are the worst whiners..." They're pretty rare cases, they almost remind me of Kate Beaton's "Straw Feminists". She should do a comic about "Straw Quebecois". This straw-man version of the western idea of the militant Quebecois who wants nothing more than to force their language on western canada just to antagonize (or dare I say oppress!) us.
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HookShot posted:Ugh, hopefully he loses and gets stuck with hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. Lush (or wherever you Vancouver hippies shop at) wasn't a crown corporation. When you privatize a crown corporation, you generally want the private corporation to have the same set of responsibilities to the public that it had when owned by the crown. Air Canada was mandated by the Official Languages Act to provide service in both official languages.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 23:07 |
^^ Oh, I didn't know they were actually supposed to serve in both official languages, I thought when they privatized they got to do whatever the gently caress they wanted like most private companies. My bad.Baronjutter posted:It's poo poo like this that form the bank of anecdotes westerns collect to support their "uhg forced bilingualism is awful, the Quebecois are the worst whiners..." Yeah, exactly. I mean, if Air Canada was a government owned airline, I would have absolutely no problem with it. I would still think the guy was a douchebag for refusing to speak in English to flight attendants when he spoke the language, but I would probably still support his case. But the fact that on top of just not acting the way 99% of normal human beings act in that situation but THEN trying to sue the airline for millions and leading to westerners complaining about those drat Frenchies in Quebec just makes me hope the legal fees ruin him.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 23:08 |
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Welp. Gawker says the Crackstarter was a bust. Video owner contacted Gawker saying the video is gone.
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Geoid posted:There actually are some French colonies in Saskatchewan (e.g. Gravelboug, Val Marie), however the number of practicing Francophones - the Fransaskois - are pretty small. Regina has only one Francophone school and when I knew people there their graduating class was around 8 and everyone was proficient in English. I'm Fransaskois and from Gravelbourg but most of the town doesn't speak french anymore unless you're over 50. Its dying there real fast ever since the College Mathieu failed as a boarding school.
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BGrifter posted:Welp. Gawker says the Crackstarter was a bust. Video owner contacted Gawker saying the video is gone. That's not really surprising. I hope it surfaces still.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 23:19 |
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I say, give the man a stack of queens (2,000$... that will cover a round-trip to anywhere in Canada not too small/cold/remote) and have the government fine Air Canada eight figures. Violating the terms of business is a slight against the government. "Here, let's buy your crown corporation, and oh yeah, phoque you" should never be tolerated from people exploiting our country's resources. A tax break for all, and Monsieur's rights "get respected" without letting him enjoy the fruits of court-based legalized extortion.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 23:25 |
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BGrifter posted:Welp. Gawker says the Crackstarter was a bust. Video owner contacted Gawker saying the video is gone. It was kinda inevitable after Gawker broke the story and the Star described them in detail. I hope that it's "gone" in the sense that the cops have seized it. If Ford gets away with this, Toronto will be a laughingstock.
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# ? Jun 4, 2013 23:41 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:Whelp Their go-to line is that this is an "administrative dispute"
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BGrifter posted:Welp. Gawker says the Crackstarter was a bust. Video owner contacted Gawker saying the video is gone. How convenient. So we can finally move on from the distraction of Rob Ford's massive crack habit and focus on more real issues like senate, transit, and language. I don't speak a lick of French; however, I do agree that we should at least honour the language and give it a fair shake within limits. I would feel pretty marginalized if they started imposing a strict English/French bilingual requirement in the workforce. I can't work in Quebec. I don't know what's Ontario is like considering Q and O are like best neighbours forever. quaint bucket fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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