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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Even the corpse of the old lady!? Everyone loved the Funyarinpa, why couldn't they love this now inanimate object? 
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Luna is great, she's one for being adorable and making lewd suggestions without actually being aware of it. I love her character, she's a ditsy nice girl and it's adorable 
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Trying to work out what the passwords were had me stumped for ages, I could work out the 'Beacon' part easily enough but the rest of it just didnt click at all, and Im not sure I would have gotten the other password at all without looking it up, leaving me feeling a bit stupid when the solution was really pretty obvious. I forgot that Sigma looked over K's suit and found the key for it in the same route, youd think hed realise what it is tho getting out of the room first is the bigger concern at this moment.
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Jun 18, 2013 13:38
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Count Bleck posted:Luna is great, she's one for being adorable and making lewd suggestions without actually being aware of it. As for K grabbing the key and escaping, I don't think we've told him how exactly his armor lock looks like.
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Jun 18, 2013 13:50
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Pierzak posted:As for K grabbing the key and escaping, I don't think we've told him how exactly his armor lock looks like. Actually they did! Back in the infirmary. Fedule posted:
They didn't explicitly describe what the hole looks like, but he's aware of where it is.
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Jun 18, 2013 15:35
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I accidentally solved the radio puzzle before I picked up the note on how to do it. Maybe the morphogenetic fieldset gave me the answer? 
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Jun 18, 2013 15:47
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I somehow managed to get the file password first. Only afterwards I realized that the giant glowing red eye in the poster is a clue to the primary puzzle.
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SkuttyB posted:Trying to work out what the passwords were had me stumped for ages, I could work out the 'Beacon' part easily enough but the rest of it just didnt click at all, and Im not sure I would have gotten the other password at all without looking it up, leaving me feeling a bit stupid when the solution was really pretty obvious. I think I tried every orientation of the poster with the room before getting the right one. And for the file instead of reading the dark eyes I tried to read the red ones in a different way and stumped myself for a while.
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Jun 18, 2013 17:08
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Count Bleck posted:Luna is great, she's one for being adorable and making lewd suggestions without actually being aware of it. Fedule posted:
Maybe not that unaware!
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Jun 18, 2013 17:57
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Cake Attack posted:Maybe not that unaware! Well she has a medical license after all.
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Jun 18, 2013 18:30
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I bet she's like a veterinarian or something. Seems like she'd love puppies.
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I think Luna's going to end up being some sort of neuroscientist. One who worked for Cradle Pharamceuticals and developed the soporific that's going to kill anyone who loses the Nonary Game.
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Jun 18, 2013 19:18
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lotus circle posted:They didn't explicitly describe what the hole looks like, but he's aware of where it is. 
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Seshoho Cian posted:I accidentally solved the radio puzzle before I picked up the note on how to do it. Maybe the morphogenetic fieldset gave me the answer? Dragongem posted:I unintentionally solved the Radio Puzzle when I first ran into it- I had the nametag but never the frequency chart. I was just messing around with the buttons to see what they did and I mashed the middle one four times You're welcome bro, I gave you the answer saihate posted:That drat drawer!!! Yeah, I FAQed a few rooms but in every case except one it was "I missed this interactible doodad"
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Bruceski posted:I figured you'd end the update one screenshot later at the pan to the speaker, but that's good too. Gaulems would be perfect dressed up as French Maids
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Jun 18, 2013 19:39
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Dragongem posted:You're welcome bro, I gave you the answer I think there was only one other "how was I supposed to know that was a hotspot" point for me, but if I remember the paths it'll be a while until we get there. Others it was "okay I saw this but I didn't realize I could do anything to it with what I had" or a puzzle that was unclear on what it was asking of me.
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Jun 18, 2013 19:42
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Green Intern posted:Gaulems would be perfect dressed up as French Maids "I have two directives: clean the house and kill John Connor. Are you John Connor?"
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Jun 18, 2013 19:43
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Pierzak posted:Which means there's a 95% chance of her being actually creepy/murderous/entirely different from what we've seen. GeneralYeti posted:I think Luna's going to end up being some sort of neuroscientist. One who worked for Cradle Pharamceuticals and developed the soporific that's going to kill anyone who loses the Nonary Game.
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Jun 18, 2013 19:47
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Unless Clover has a Union Jack parachute she's not the least-secret secret agent ever.
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Jun 18, 2013 19:51
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Pierzak posted:That's what I was talking about. Is he going to check each and every key in his head, possibly risking permanent injury (who knows, if the suit was made to trap the occupant it may be secured - turn left, then right, it opens, any other combination fries your brain When I've seen similar locks in real life, they aren't that sophisticated. It's usually a simple electronic switch, where you can only insert the key one way and rotate it 90 degrees. This rotates a contact to either complete or break a single circuit. It's hard to tell the relative size of things, but the shaft of that key looks awfully long to me. Like, if K is a man in a suit, fully inserting that key would wedge it partway into his medula oblongata. If he's a robot, on the other hand...
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Green Intern posted:Gaulems would be perfect dressed up as French Maids
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Jun 18, 2013 20:01
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Maybe it unlocks something that contains a smaller key of the same shape?
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Bruceski posted:I think I tried every orientation of the poster with the room before getting the right one. And for the file instead of reading the dark eyes I tried to read the red ones in a different way and stumped myself for a while. I think I read it as "BEACONEPOHFO" or something like that, and it was pretty easy to figure out what I'd done wrong. That was, of course, after I'd made the connection between the eyes and the letters correctly and wrote down which eyes were red, not just how many, on each robot.
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Listen in (or miss out): [English/Japanese] ... ... N-No... Then... Alice? You honestly think a voice that coarase could come from a throat as fine as this? Then... Hey! Over here! What is that--! VLR OST: [GLTM-KM506] *Yawn* Blimey that hurts... Ain't right for a fellow's back to feel like this. It's a robot... And it's... talking... W-With an accent... Can't help it, flower. Didn't choose to talk like this, not by half. Now Alice, darling... Do I rightly recollect you characterizing my speech as "coarse"? Why, that's right cruel, it is. You really think I asked for this? See, they figured they'd give us all a, whatcha call 'em, "Per-son-al-i-ty". Some tosser thought they'd give me this one. It ain't right, I tell you. ... Cooper. If you're a barrel maker, I'm an astronaut. Ah ha ha ha ha... Right you are, me old son, right you are. Well go on, have a butcher's, mate. What do I look like to you? Robot, you say? Golem...? Oh, I've heard of golems. They're sort of... monsters, I guess, from Jewish folklore. They're made from clay, and they look like men. They're supposed to do whatever their master or creator or whatever commands them to do. Well, aren't you a clever bird? You are, of course, correct. The golem of myth is a clay creation that moves under its own power. Our spelling's a mite different, though. That's an acronym for General-purpose AUtonomous Labor Electronic Machine. Truth to tell, it's a bit rubbish when you write it out all like that, but I figure they wanted to make sure they had the "golem" thing in there, what with us being robots and all. Um... so... should I just call you Gaulem? That doesn't seem quite kosher. I couldn't very well call all of you lot "human", could I? What should we call you then? Well, we've all got a Product ID, and they're unique. I figure that's as good a name as any. And your ID is...? Whoa! That's way too long! We can't remember that? You taking the mickey out of me? Never had a problem meself. Right then, let's just use the last bit, shall we? G... O, L, M? Go... lem. C'mon, man, that's just "golem"! Well I'll be buggered! Can't say I ever noticed that before. Sure is a strange coincidence, innit? Actually, it's not a coincidence - it's a Japanese pun. As you might have noticed if you listen to the Japanese audio (hey, someone's listening to the Japanese audio) or, more likely, if you paid attention to the name of the BGM in this section, G-OLM's name in the Japanese version is GLTM-KM506. 506 is, in this context, pronounced "go-re-mu"... so it's a bit more plausible that he might not have noticed that his name is basically "Golem". There's only so many ways you can localize something like that, though. ANYWAY, 506 is voiced in Japanese by Shinobu Matsumoto, who has a ton of minor anime roles I can't make anything out of, and in particular seems to have voiced some minor character or other in what must be every other episode of Naruto Shippuden. I... have absolutely no idea who voices G-OLM in English. Seriously, I've looked everywhere I can think of. I even tried asking the production team directly - not that they even bothered responding, but that's how desperate I was. Hell, I asked Ben Bateman - who did the casting and direction - and all I got out of him was "Not at liberty to discuss that. Thought he did a pretty great job though." Listen in (or, you know): [English/Japanese] What, a gentleman can't say something nice to a pretty young bird, eh? No, I don't care if you call her "darling". What I'm saying is, you called her "Alice". How did you know her name? Ha ha. Oh, she isn't the only one of you lot whose name I know. I know who you are, Sigma, and you too, Luna... I'm right familiar with all nine of you. How? Then again, the lenses aren't much bigger than a screw... And they're all hidden away, so I suppose I can't really blame you for missing them, you know? Now, as I was saying, there are these camers, you see. And all of the data they record gets sent off to the mainframe in real time. Then... Does that mean... You're Zero Jr.? The young master is a right proper AI what supervises all the electronic bits and bobs in this place. So GAULEMs are kind of like Zero Jr's... servants? Hmmm... No, not quite, governor, not quite. I'd say me and me mates here are more like, uh, arms and legs, right? Now, you lot don't have brains in your arms and legs, do you? Of course not. Right you are, missus. It'd be all sorts of nasty if your elbows and that lumpy bit on your ankle was all packed with brains. The GAULEM's seat of consciousness, so to speak, ain't in the head. Fact of the matter is, it's not anywhere in the body. Which makes a fellow wonder... where is it? In the mainframe...? Spot on. So that part of me what thinks is in the mainframe. Everything this here body sees and hears and what have you, that all gets sent back there. Those commands get sent out over the wireless like bwoop bwoop bwoop and eventually my body picks them up. Finally, those commands cause actions what move the various bits of my body. That's why this thing's like a computer terminal, you see. Wait a minute. Then wouldn't that make you part of Zero Jr.? I suppose you could say that. What with us sharing the mainframe and all. But I don't know poo poo-all about this game he's running. That part of the mainframe's locked away from the rest of us. You recollect what GAULEM stands for, eh? I'm autonomous. Hmm... But if that's the case, your hands and feet analogy doesn't really make sense. My arms and legs aren't autonomous. They don't just move on their own. You sure, governor? I watched you cross your arms just now. And now you're frowning and your forehead's getting all wrinkly. Did you do these things on purpose? "Curl on down then, mouth! Oh, and eyebrows, I'd be much obliged if you'd squeeze in a bit, there's a good pair of blokes!" That's what you was thinking, innit? No? Didn't reckon so. I figure you did all of that subconsciously. Who's thinking real hard about something and says to themselves, "Well, think I'll just give the old loaf a scratch, that oughta help." How's about when you reach for your tea? When you turn a page in your book? Or what about when your eyes just go straight for the pair on that bird you fancy, heh? The list goes on, me chums. But all of those things are your subconscious at work. True, when part of your body does something, it's because your brain said so. But that doesn't mean your conscious mind is involved. Fact is, it can't be: If your brain had to deal with all the piddly bits of living, it'd make you balmy. Then you're saying that Zero Jr. is the central part of the mainframe, and the GAULEMs are like his hands and feet? Righto. You're a robot... How can your shoulders get stiff? And you said your back hurt earlier. Are you just messing with us? Yes I did, and no I ain't. Me back is a right mess, it is. Last maintenance check, they just left me here. I've been on this bed here for years. The lubricant for me joints is all gummed up. Every time I move it hurts. But... why did you wake up again after all this time? Oh yeah, that button on top of the safe... Right you are, governor. Can you come with us, then? The others need to see this... No I can't, and more's the pity. I got internal batteries, but they're knackered. Matter of fact, that's why I was in here for maintenance in the first place. 'Course, they ain't connected to a power cable like I am, so they aren't going anywhere any time soon. I see... Huh? What question is that? I asked you how your shoulders can get stiff if you're a robot. Right, right, so you did. Not sure why you've got a bug up your arse about that particular issue, though. Well, I mean... I guess it's not really important, but... I'm just curious, I suppose. Let's get you sorted, then, shall we? Just lend me your lords and peers for a tick. So! How can a robot get stiff shoulders? And what does pain mean to a robot? Without waiting for an answer, G-OLM launched into his explanation. You know the drill: [English/Japanese] Yes? Is there any particular reason this girl is, um, pretty? O-Or why we need to know what color underwear she's wearing...? Can't say there is. Just tickles my fancy, I guess. But the prettier the bird is, the more fun the story is, innit? ... All them Chinese blokes outside the room didn't know nothing about them books what she had. So it follows that they would've thought whoever was inside spoke Chinese, just like them. You see? After all, far as they can tell they're having a nice little chin-wag with one of their countrymen. You thick? I feel pain when my body's having a spot of bother. So says the central computer to itself, seeing that things are a bit bollocksed. In the interest of extricating my body from its unpleasant predicament, the mainframe sends out a signal over the wireless. And my software interprets that signal as pain, and I stop doing whatever daft thing I was doing. It's the same, innit? Just like the Chinese Room. Use your loaf, missy! You listened to a word I've said? A human feels pain when you do something you shouldn't, like sit your bum down on a tack, right? Same thing for us robots. Forget about all that mainframe and signal bollocks, and us GAULEMs ain't that different from the bird in the room. So think about it, love. How do you know humans ain't the same, just without all the electronic-y pony? What if, when someone asks you a question... All you're doing is pulling out the right answer from some sort of phrasebook in your brain? I mean, it's all the same, innit? If you're actually a thinking creature, or if you're just some kind of language-processing machine. All what matters if it the person next to you does what a human ought. Looks like a person, acts like a person, and talks like a person, then it's probably a person. You want to live a normal life, that's all you need to know. Lay it on me, governor. Why'd you stop us? Ah! Right you are, mate, right you are! Got so carried away I near forgot. Haven't seen anyone for yonks, and I got a mite excited is all. Just spit it out. Right, right. Well, there was something I wanted to tell you lot. What was it? Patience, darling. Now, I know I might look a bit out of sorts at the moment, but I ain't really supposeed to. Fact is, the reason we look a bit like skeletons is because we are a bit like skeletons. There's this special artificial biological tissue what's called "ABT". When a GAULEM's all new and shiny, they've got on a nice suit of ABT over that metal skeleton. Even feels like real skin, with pores, a little bit of hair, and a few pimples, scars, and the like. See, right in the middle of-- [Music fades out] Product ID GTM-CM-G-OLM. Executing emergency deactivation. Unit GTM-CM-G-OLM now inactive. No other rouge processes detected in additional GAULEM platforms. Returning to surveillance mode. I-It looks like it... Damnit! ... "See, right in the middle of--" Right in the middle of what? ... ... ... Forty-five minutes remain until Ambidex Game polling closes. VLR OST: [Strain] Someone on the other team must have opened it! poo poo... Why would they do that?! We have to hurry! Right! Let's go! Before we go, there's just enough time to squeeze in some more Hidden File Extracts. Golem: G-OLM: Incidentally, the Japanese model unpacks as GAULEM Type Male - Kawachi Model "goremu". Chinese Room: G-OLM's Story - The Point: Fedule fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Funfact: I will provide one (1) forums upgrade (your choice of platinum, archives etc) to the first person who can find (with evidence, please) who G-OLM's English voice actor is. Someone has to know!
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Jun 19, 2013 19:11
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This is about the point where I realized this was my favorite path.
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G-OLM is great, mostly for that Cockney accent.  My girlfriend was playing through and alternating the dialogue from English to Japanese every so often and I had to convince her to go switch to English because Cockney G-OLM is probably one of the best scenes in the game.
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Glad we got the best character in the game just before I left on a trip. He just comes out of nowhere and completely deflates the creepy atmosphere. You're facing death, in a room full of ominous robots, one sits up, and starts talking like he's just walked out of Mary Poppins.
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Fedule posted:Funfact: I will provide one (1) forums upgrade (your choice of platinum, archives etc) to the first person who can find (with evidence, please) who G-OLM's English voice actor is. I would assume people who've finished the game are barred from this?
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Justin_Brett posted:I would assume people who've finished the game are barred from this? I would assume that if he's offering this type of reward it's because the actor is uncredited and Fedule has no idea who it is.
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Justin_Brett posted:I would assume people who've finished the game are barred from this? I think the point is it's not in the credits. Also the people who finished the game should be the ones googling considering all the spoilers that are no doubt out there!
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Oh, pseudo-scientific explanations, how I have missed you I did this path pretty late so I'm enjoying seeing how people respond to other scenes having seen this first.
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Jun 19, 2013 19:30
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I see nobody got my (terrible) joke about Gaulem and French maids.
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Replicants! Cylons! Snatchers! So in addition to wondering if Zero has is playing the game they also have to worry about robot infiltrators. Guess hitting "Ally" just got harder. I'm not sure if K's the silliest GOLEM candidate or maybe the best. A robot disguised as a human disguised as a robot!
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Anyone with even a passing knowledge of anatomy would realize there's notable difference between the human skeleton and the gaulem fame, so examination by palpitation would be pretty easy - assuming you could get people to agree to it. The Chinese room is about the nature of understanding. The old boy's analogy was flawed since it contained errors that could be discovered by deeper examination; it's generally accepted that if there are no flaws that can be discovered and you can perfectly respond to any input, there's no functional difference between that and what we call understanding.
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G-OLM is the best character in this game. Not close.
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I'd like to also note that everyone who hasn't should go back and listen to G-OLM's theme because it's great, probably my second-favorite track in the game.
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To clarify: Yes, the English cast is uncredited in the game, which is frankly criminal, but whatever. I have been able to track down most of them but G-OLM doesn't seem to have a VA listed anywhere on the Internet. Hence my plea and accompanying bounty. Naturally, the appeal is aimed at people who have finished the game who can Google with impunity.
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AshtonDragon posted:G-OLM is the best character in this game. Not close. I could not agree more. I don't know if it's just because Xenoblade instilled a great love of British robots in me or what, but I loving love G-OLM. He's the best. EDIT: Oh god I did not remember Luna aping the accent when asking about what he meant. That's hilarious. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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So, in addition to a death game, somebody in the group may very well be an android and won't even know it. That's a spooky thought.
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