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I'm kind of hoping this trend continues and all the civilians die off, leaving an island populated only by elite warriors, sorcerers and royalty. The final few chapters would be like Game of Thrones: Japanese Highschool Edition.
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I think a really minor but potentially important thing to point out is that she couldn't wear clothes under a wetsuit. A drysuit is for wearing things under, but even then it's just a thermal underlayer, typically. A wetsuit lets water in, thus her clothes would be ruined. That could very easily be dismissed as even something as simple as translation fuzziness, but that's the kind of thing that our translator friends have been good about picking up on. I don't think she's wearing her normal clothes underneath, is what I'm saying. KawaiiInbou fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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miscellaneous14 posted:It might be purposeful misdirection by the murderer (and by extension, the narrative) to give the impression that someone is secretly the serial killer, possibly mimicking the same setup from the first game. For all we know, said serial killer might not be any of them, and someone found a mask in the store or something to throw everyone off. It might also be purposeful misdirection by someone other than the murderer, who decided to pull a Togami and mess with the crime scene for funsies.  After all, besides Souda there were at least two (or three, depending on whether or not the killer counts toward the murder announcement) people in there beforehand.
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Jun 24, 2013 01:46
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Walterion posted:I like reading the speculation in this thread, but the thing is, why would someone leave a mask on purpose? It could be the killer left the mask behind in order to send some kind of message. There have been several murderers who left behind calling cards and the like in order to taunt investigators, or further shame their victims. Considering the conversation Hinata and Sonia had, the killer could be trying to push the group into thinking that Kira did it. Of course, the only people who knew about that were Sonia, Hinata, and Peko. Although, considering Souda's eavesdropping habits, we can't discount that he may know of it as well. Or, I suppose it could be a message about Koizumi. Perhaps the mask would be a way of saying that she wasn't who she said she was? It could be somebody suspected her of being the mole. Plus, the way she's positioned, and the apparent murder weapon suggest that the game had something to do with how she died. But I'm not sure how that factors in just yet. Of course, that's assuming the killer didn't just drop it while fleeing the scene.
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Jun 24, 2013 01:54
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I'm just glad Akane is still alive. She's my favorite so far this game. 
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Jun 24, 2013 01:58
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I'm hoping to see Saionji either die or develop into something more interesting than "loud and rude."
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Jun 24, 2013 01:59
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Pick posted:I'm just glad Akane is still alive. She's my favorite so far this game. You say that now but watch her turn out to be the mastermind
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Jun 24, 2013 02:00
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Eldataluta posted:Or, I suppose it could be a message about Koizumi. Perhaps the mask would be a way of saying that she wasn't who she said she was? It could be somebody suspected her of being the mole. Plus, the way she's positioned, and the apparent murder weapon suggest that the game had something to do with how she died. But I'm not sure how that factors in just yet. This does bring into perspective another theory, that Koizumi is the serial killer and someone killed her in self-defense. If we're to bring the game into this, then maybe it manipulated both her and the murderer into a situation where one of them would get killed? Seems a little too complex, though.
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Skunkrocker fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Jun 24, 2013 02:21
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Skunkrocker posted:Okay game, you're loving with me now... You're really reaching there, especially that "in most media" part. People spitting and applying saliva on wounds in media examples is just as common, if not more than, as a trait they share with wolves.
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Jun 24, 2013 02:26
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Skunkrocker posted:Come on! It's all a coincidence, right?! She's not REALLY a werewolf, is she? We were joking Spike, stop loving with us! Yes, you figured out her dark dirty secret. She's actually Owari the Werehog.
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Jun 24, 2013 03:01
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MFerris91 posted:I think a really minor but potentially important thing to point out is that she couldn't wear clothes under a wetsuit. A drysuit is for wearing things under, but even then it's just a thermal underlayer, typically. A wetsuit lets water in, thus her clothes would be ruined. I don't think the wetsuit is to keep her regular clothes dry, but rather to hide her clothes due to their condition (bloodstained, torn, et cetera).
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DeathBySpoon posted:Are you implying that she's wearing a wetsuit OVER her usual getup...? Not necessarily her normal getup (Hanamura wore a tablecloth during murder for the same reason of making sure he wasn't bloodstained), but a getup. Hiding the bloodstains and evidence is a basic aspect of covering up a murder, and if there's blood splattered everywhere after a murder, figuring out whose clothes it splattered on is one of the basics of figuring out DR cases. So common sense tells us that there should be some kind of evidence, i.e. a "tablecloth", and if there's not that's a suspicious sign for those characters who have the ability to hide it. Currently that's only Sonia and Peko, whose situations have specifically been brought to our attention. Dragoon Cody fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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Jun 24, 2013 03:05
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Dragoon Cody posted:Currently that's only Sonia and Peko, whose situations have specifically been brought to our attention. Coincidentally both those two are the only ones (that we know of) to be aware of Kirakira aside from Hinata. And with that mask...
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Jun 24, 2013 03:08
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Gann Jerrod posted:I don't think the wetsuit is to keep her regular clothes dry, but rather to hide her clothes due to their condition (bloodstained, torn, et cetera). It could just be that she's like Kirigiri and has scars or something.
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Jun 24, 2013 03:14
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It could just be that she's like Kirigiri and has scars or something. Doubt it, she wore a one piece back at the beginning and didn't have any scars or anything
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Jun 24, 2013 03:20
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It could just be that she's like Kirigiri and has scars or something. But on the murder front, consistently in DR the solution to cases involves this lead: "where are the dirty murder clothes?" (in other murder mysteries it could just be driven an hour away and tossed, but here everyone's always trapped together in a small area and can't leave). Not only Hanamura, but in the last game too - failing to completely dispose of evidence backfired on Leon, for example. So two characters having an ability to hide evidence that the others don't have is a major thing to watch in this trial. Dragoon Cody fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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Jun 24, 2013 03:24
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Dragoon Cody posted:Currently that's only Sonia and Peko, whose situations have specifically been brought to our attention. I think Peko was probably checking out the area like she said, but not for three hours. Also, if she was swimming, could she have looped around so she wouldn't have to pass in front of the diner? I think it's possible, but we need more evidence before we can really start pointing the fingers at anyone.
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MFerris91 posted:I think a really minor but potentially important thing to point out is that she couldn't wear clothes under a wetsuit. A drysuit is for wearing things under, but even then it's just a thermal underlayer, typically. A wetsuit lets water in, thus her clothes would be ruined. It's definitely not translation fuzziness. If you listen to the voice file after Sonia arrives Souda clearly says "wetsuit" (well, "uettosuutsu"). Wetsuit appears to be a loanword from English. Anyway, it does seem unlikely she could wear much under there, but she could've committed the murder in a swimsuit, all that matters is covering blood splatter.
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Jun 24, 2013 03:29
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Skunkrocker posted:Come on! It's all a coincidence, right?! She's not REALLY a werewolf, is she? We were joking Spike, stop loving with us!
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Jun 24, 2013 03:33
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There's not enough evidence at this point to start building an argument of any kind. All we could possibly have right now are those dumbass hiding-in-plain-sight clues (Think of Mondo's subtle change in referencing Chihiro) that will drat someone later, but are completely meaningless now. If Naegito's spent the whole time tied up he ought to at least make a good devil's advocate again.
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Jun 24, 2013 03:34
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TheGreatGildersneeze posted:Pretty sure she's mostly a Dragonball Z reference. Constantly hungry, always wants to fight, powering up visual effect when she's pissed off. Not sure where you're getting werewolves. orenronen posted:
Plus the whole wound-licking thing... that immediately caught my eye when I read it. I mean, there's no solid evidence for it, but the game's been teasing at it.
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...Hm? Hmmmmm?
Owari-san... is something bothering you?
No, that's not it...
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...What I smell... is blood.
...Blood?!
It's coming from over there. I'm sure of it...!
H...Hey, how come you can sniff out blood in the first place...?!
Kyahaha! Big Sis Owari's just like a stray dog!
She's even eating like one! Heeheeheehee!
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If people are right about Pekoyama being Kirakira, I could see her playing a version of the game that implicates Koizumi as the killer in some past real-life incident and deciding to make her vigilante serial killer justice serve a dual purpose as her ticket to freedom. For maximum despair, of course, then it'd turn out Koizumi wasn't the killer after all and Peko had just been misled by the game. At any rate, if one of the students is Kirakira I wouldn't be surprised if that ended up getting revealed during this trial just to match the pattern set by DR1.
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Brannock posted:Plus the whole wound-licking thing... that immediately caught my eye when I read it. I mean, there's no solid evidence for it, but the game's been teasing at it. Yes, everything everyone says is literally true, which is why everyone is secretly just conceptual representations of hope in line with Nagito's psychoses.
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:I'm pretty disappointed to see Mahiru killed off so early. Like a couple of people have mentioned, she was one of the few 'normal' characters; everyone else is so over the top and supersaturated in their quirks, it makes it hard to sympathize with them. Akane's almost all food and fighting, Nidai is EXXXXTREME, Ibuki is Ibuki... Even Souda's getting progressively stranger and more cliche-ridden. Well... I kind of feel this is a large part of the series. It makes a good bit of sense for these people to be so odd. They are essentially the best of the best. They are each the fanatics of their field. They are the people that if they were in a room full of normal people they would stand out like a beacon. There might be a few "Normal" people who can blend in... But that's not what we're working with. I have read quite a few series with a bunch of normal people and it's okay. But the over the top factor is a special charm that this series has. Back to the murder at hand... I wanted to bring up that Sonia is a fangirl of Kirakira. It's not too hard to imagine her growing up admiring serial killers and deciding that she would like to be one too. She starts to kill people and leave behind masks because she wants others to know and appreciate her work. She craves attention in a way that isn't just, "She's a princess". She wants to be something more. It's the fact that she craves attention that she leaves the masks and anyone knows that the murderer even wears masks. She calls the girls together for a swimming trip so that she can be with a large group when they find the body. There are a good number of holes in the theory, and it will be added to or scraped as new evidence comes up. But it's an idea... Also I think it would be a decent contrast from the first game to have Sonia be the killer. In the first game it was a shut away socially incompetent girl. In this game it would be... well close to the opposite.
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I think we can all agree that whether or not it makes sense, Owari being a werewolf would be really cool.
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I think its pretty likely the culprit commited murder, and then swam to wash off the blood (which probably takes all but several seconds to do, but I'm no expert in how Blood and Water mix. Though I guess we can't disregard the possibility of simply having the cloeths hidden somewhere. After all, it looks like Nanami and Sonia aren't even wet. Anyways, I'm pretty positive this is girl on girl violence here, given the similarities to Twilight Syndrome from earlier, and that this was a Girl's Only event. Souda is a pretty terrible liar anyways. Kuzuryuu probably just has a knack at being at the wrong place at the wrong time, Nidai was fighting Owari, and Gundam wasn't anywhere near the island presumably (at least not after Hinata/souda went there). Nanami seemed rather awake. Something just felt off-character about her, but I can't quite treat that as suspicious behavior. Though if the game starts to strongly push a relationship thing between Hinata and Her (like, from now to the trial) as it was with Naegi and Maizono,red flags are raised. Sonia is up there in terms of suspicion, as she's the only one not wearing a Swimsuit, or rather, she's the only one in an actual "suit" and she was the one who proposed the idea in the first place (albeit, any girl/Souda could've used her plan in their favor). Pekoyama....perhaps, given the sailor moon bit that was mentioned earlier, but that could simply mean she's Kirakira, as opposed to the actual murderer. Owari...I really doubt it. I'm starting to warm up to Ibuki and Souda. I didn't think I would, but I'm actually really hoping to see Ibuki in a free time event. Mostly because I'm curious as to whether or not she can really be that far out all the time. "Normal" Ibuki would be pretty cool. Joenen fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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Rhinoceraptor posted:I think we can all agree that whether or not it makes sense, Owari being a werewolf would be really cool. You must have confused "cool" and "stupid". Anyway Peko seems to be the most obvious choice for this one. Which means that'll obviously be turned on its head by the end.
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After reading back on Case 2 after Fedule said the thing about the students finding the bodies, this kirakira thing seems pretty similar to Genocider Syo, a murderer who the students know about suddenly shows up on the island and supposedly kills someone. Perhaps someone on the island is Kirakira but it's another bait and switch and the murderer is someone entirely different. I'm stuck in between Nidai or Akane being the potential suspects with say Sonia moving the body and staging it. I really have no proof on that one except that she knows the most about Kirakira with her obsession over the occult.
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What if Owari is a were-Syo?
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I also highly, highly doubt that Kirakira is going to be anything other than a red herring object, because having a serial killer in the group again would be idiotic.
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There's been no sign of these games dipping into non-humans and fairy tales, elves and stuff aren't just going to start popping up. That said, there's certainly been a few deliberate wolf/dog comparisons with Owari (spelled out explicitly a couple times too with characters calling her "like a dog"). I mean, how could traits like a supernatural sense of smell for smelling blood be anything other than a reference to her being like a wild animal? But that's not some kind of hint that she's a werewolf, just a wacky set of animal-like character traits.
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kidcoelacanth posted:I also highly, highly doubt that Kirakira is going to be anything other than a red herring object, because having a serial killer in the group again would be idiotic. The "what do all these DR1 parallels mean?" conversation has subsided since we started getting actual content to mull over, but that question is still up in the air and we haven't really gotten any indication of where the game is going with that. On its face, blatantly reusing the "one of us is a serial killer" plot point would definitely be a strange and ill-advised move for the writers to make, but that may well be the entire point.
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Ah yes, the classic "They're subverting our expectations that it'll be different by doing the same poo poo." No, it's not bad writing, it's actually GENIUS because DANGAN RONPA CAN DO NO WRONG.
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Waffleman_ posted:Ah yes, the classic "They're subverting our expectations that it'll be different by doing the same poo poo." No, it's not bad writing, it's actually GENIUS because DANGAN RONPA CAN DO NO WRONG. All I'm saying is that "it would be dumb if they did that again" isn't reason enough on its own to discard the possibility that one of the students will turn out to be Kirakira. There's no qualitative judgment in there and I'm not going to even try making one until we have enough information to understand the repetition motif's place in the overall narrative. Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jun 24, 2013 |
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Opposing Farce posted:The "what do all these DR1 parallels mean?" conversation has subsided since we started getting actual content to mull over, but that question is still up in the air and we haven't really gotten any indication of where the game is going with that. On its face, blatantly reusing the "one of us is a serial killer" plot point would definitely be a strange and ill-advised move for the writers to make, but that may well be the entire point. Yeah like what if someone is faking being a serial killer
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Opposing Farce posted:All I'm saying is that "it would be dumb if they did that again" isn't reason enough on its own to discard the possibility that one of the students will turn out to be Kirakira. There's no qualitative judgment in there and I'm not going to even try making one until we have enough information to understand the repetition motif's place in the overall narrative. Kira was stated to have been murdering 'all over the world' by Sonia and the article she was reading. Syo was just in Japan, and was mostly only reported on in Japan. Hell, the magazine article Sonia read about them was in Italian or French, if Hinata is to be believed. So yeah while we do have some crazy poo poo all up ins this piece, I really doubt they're going to pull out the same 'oh yeah we have a hidden serial killer in our midst' routine, and we're just setting it up to be similar but different. Also, it bugs me in an artistic sense that Peko's hair is so drat short when it's down. I'd have thought with the huge braided loopy-whatsits she'd have had much longer hair.
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Plus, while there have been some similarities, they haven't been either strong enough or numerous enough to suggest any sort of repetition motif. MGS2 this ain't.
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Waffleman_ posted:MGS2 this ain't. It turns out Gundam's arm is actually bandaged because he surgically transplanted Mondo's arm to replace his own, and has fits of wanting to ride bikes and style his hair more outlandishly. He is an overly-dramatic seizure away from calling Hinata 'BRO.' DR2 facts that should be true. 
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