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I'm 100% sure that its written Klu Klown. And I was wondering, isn't Gather's head of OSI now? Why does he have to answer to someone else, unless the Investors were impersonating people from the Secret President's government. And knowing The VB universe, the Secret President is probably David Lynch or someone like that.
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Jul 5, 2013 01:27
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Monstroso is clearly a legal fiction.
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twistedmentat posted:And I was wondering, isn't Gather's head of OSI now? Why does he have to answer to someone else, unless the Investors were impersonating people from the Secret President's government.
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Jul 5, 2013 01:36
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X_Toad posted:He's apparently head of the military branch, but he's still under scrutiny of some sort of bureaucracy. Although I find it weird that the Misters seem to be some sort of IA department when Cardholder and Doe were under the orders of General Treister. Maybe they were a liaison for the CIA? So does Molotov still have her Blackhearts and do they now operate as the black ops branch of OSI?
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Action Tortoise posted:Maybe they were a liaison for the CIA? So does Molotov still have her Blackhearts and do they now operate as the black ops branch of OSI? They were turned into giant flies and killed.
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So JP and Doc Hammer just write the show as they go along, right? It really seems like there's no overarching story that they've outlined since the beginning. It looks a lot like they're winging it, considering the threads they've left out in past seasons and never tied up. So it feels kind of pointless to speculate and sperg about stuff when, unless it was already written for this season, the showrunners probably have no more idea what they were doing with that thread than we do. It's pretty sad when you think about it like that. I still love the show though and that last episode in particular was really great.
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Jack Gladney posted:They were turned into giant flies and killed. Well, Rusty slept with one of them first.
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Bloodnose posted:So JP and Doc Hammer just write the show as they go along, right? It really seems like there's no overarching story that they've outlined since the beginning. It looks a lot like they're winging it, considering the threads they've left out in past seasons and never tied up. So it feels kind of pointless to speculate and sperg about stuff when, unless it was already written for this season, the showrunners probably have no more idea what they were doing with that thread than we do. That's... kind of the point. They use the fandom as a way to make meta-commentary within the show and let the show evolve on its own terms. I would hate it if they tried to plan too far ahead. Then we wouldn't get so many sad fans being disappointed that Kim became Christian and lives in Florida or whatnot. Otherwise this show would turn into Adventure Time where fan fiction becomes cannon and it disappears up its own rear end. If Venture Bros. wants to give a character a tragic backstory, you'd better believe they're not going to take themselves so seriously that it ruins the show, they're going to gently caress with people's expectations.
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Jack Gladney posted:They were turned into giant flies and killed. Were they? I thought Molotov just lied about it to get Brock to run back.
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Roll of Quarters posted:Were they? I thought Molotov just lied about it to get Brock to run back. Nope, this happened in the last 20 seconds of the season 4 finale. Didn't one of the rent girls who was legit survive? the one with Brock?
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Roll of Quarters posted:Were they? I thought Molotov just lied about it to get Brock to run back. No they did here it is in full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU2juYxL8tE
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Not only were the escorts creator confirmed to be the Blackhearts, you can compare them to earlier apperances such as the end of Season 3. I find it weird that speculation is only interesting if there's some intricate plot unfolding at a particular design. You can go overboard and forget how little the show pays attention to itself, but there are building plot lines and payoffs to talk about.
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That also reminds me if you do not have the Venture Brothers on dvd yet they are on sale at 9.99 for seasons 1-3 and 7.99 for seasons 4.1-4.2.
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Jul 5, 2013 03:47
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Are the blu-rays good quality? I have seasons 1-3 on DVD but figured I'd hold out to pick up season 4 on blu-ray and it basically slipped my mind.
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Jul 5, 2013 04:05
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Jerusalem posted:Are the blu-rays good quality? I have seasons 1-3 on DVD but figured I'd hold out to pick up season 4 on blu-ray and it basically slipped my mind. Season 3 is good but 4 suffers a little due to some compression issues.
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Bloodnose posted:So JP and Doc Hammer just write the show as they go along, right? It really seems like there's no overarching story that they've outlined since the beginning. It looks a lot like they're winging it, considering the threads they've left out in past seasons and never tied up. So it feels kind of pointless to speculate and sperg about stuff when, unless it was already written for this season, the showrunners probably have no more idea what they were doing with that thread than we do. If they do they are remarkably good at maintaining continuity and having things still make sense *stares menacingly at Battlestar Galactica*
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Danzou posted:Not only were the escorts creator confirmed to be the Blackhearts, you can compare them to earlier apperances such as the end of Season 3. Yea I know they turned into flies, but I thought Mol lied about them being Blackhearts. Neat that they were Blackhearts I guess?
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Jerusalem posted:Are the blu-rays good quality? I have seasons 1-3 on DVD but figured I'd hold out to pick up season 4 on blu-ray and it basically slipped my mind. It looks really good. The animation is sharp and the colours really vibrant.
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Roll of Quarters posted:Yea I know they turned into flies, but I thought Mol lied about them being Blackhearts. Neat that they were Blackhearts I guess? I thought they were just so roofied by Rusty that when midnight hit, they didn't even notice. Then I remember how when Molotov ambushed Brock at SPHINX headquarters, she threatened the prostitute he was with, which made me think Molotov had been bluffing the entire time. Also, I don't buy for a second that they don't keep track of their plot. They do such a good job of keeping continuity, even over the span of seasons that themselves span YEARS.
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Bloodnose posted:So JP and Doc Hammer just write the show as they go along, right? It really seems like there's no overarching story that they've outlined since the beginning. It looks a lot like they're winging it, considering the threads they've left out in past seasons and never tied up. So it feels kind of pointless to speculate and sperg about stuff when, unless it was already written for this season, the showrunners probably have no more idea what they were doing with that thread than we do. They have said a few times that the overall theme of the show is failure.
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There's no way that Monstroso is all dead though. He's too good of a character to kill off like that.bobkatt013 posted:No they did here it is in full That never stops being a great scene.
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Protagorean posted:Also, I don't buy for a second that they don't keep track of their plot. They do such a good job of keeping continuity, even over the span of seasons that themselves span YEARS. They're obsessive nerds who have spend a lifetime cultivating close attention to narrative details, yet they're also psychologically healthy and have other interests. This show is so good because it's the snake eating its own tail in the best possible way.
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evilwaldo posted:They have said a few times that the overall theme of the show is failure. Didn't only one of them say it like once when pressed to give an overall theme? And besides, a theme isn't what I mean here. I mean having an outlined plot for a beginning, middle and end of the series with a clear plan for each character's arc. I'm not complaining that it doesn't have that. In fact that may very well be one of the reasons I enjoy the series so much. It really does evolve organically and I'm always eager to see what's gonna happen next. I just mean when goons are here guessing at what means what it's kind of funny that the creators themselves probably don't have anything in mind yet.
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The only things that I'd guess are planned from the beginning, or close to it, and not yet revealed are core Venture family stuff like how Jonas Sr. died and who Hank and Dean's mom is, and even then maybe not. ("Kano did it to protect the orb" and "Myra Brandish", respectively, were never actually confirmed). All the OSI/Guild/SPHINX double/triple cross poo poo is totally made up along the way though. Which is totally fine. Hunter Gathers' history of allegiances and genders is stupid confusing, but that's exactly right for a Hunter Thompson/Nick Fury pastiche.
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It really is When I saw it the new series hadn't been confirmed so I actually wondered if they were going to end the show with everyone dying - the lead-up to that ending was built throughout the series as well, with Brock mentioning how close he is to the Ventures now, and the look of panic on his face as he ditches the cycle is amazing
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The great thing about most plot threads in the series is that obsessing over them is pressure free. It'll probably be nothing, no matter how important it seems, and oftentimes tiny little throwaways become incredibly important. You can't predict it, so you can just have fun and not go crazy over "TEXTUAL EVIDENCE" like the song of ice and fire fandom. Take Myra. Most evidence points to her being the mother, but it's equally likely that her slide into total crazytown happened after Hank and Dean's mother dropped them off and showed her she wasn't his "Forever Girl." There's nowhere near enough evidence to say definitively, though, so anyone claiming truth is just blowing smoke. In fact, the whole matter of who their mother is could be totally unimportant and not worth resolving! Some waitress! A girl Rusty met in a bar! Molotov's mother! In the end, she really hasn't had any impact on their lives, no matter who she is.
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I think that's what I love about The Venture Bros - so many of these loose ends are not secret stories that are being hidden from us, they literally do not exist. The untold tale of Myra is not being kept in a secret vault at Astrobase, JP and Doc Hammer have not written anything. The creators of LOST always loved talking about the unsolved secrets and poo poo, but with VB what you are currently seeing is what you get. A twist might come later, but it wasn't premeditated for ages and waved under your nose. You aren't being fooled.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:The only things that I'd guess are planned from the beginning, or close to it, and not yet revealed are core Venture family stuff like how Jonas Sr. died and who Hank and Dean's mom is, and even then maybe not.
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Alctel posted:It really is I don't think that was a look of panic, so much as he was ready to go into a complete frenzy and murder everything he saw. Brock's always had psychotic breaks whenever he has to fight a bunch of dudes, and in between the blue balls from Molotov and the fact that he was long overdue for a psychotic break that season, he was ready to burst. That's the problem with Brock lately. If the theme of the show is failure, then Brock's main failures are being stuck in a place too goofy for him and being a horrible psychotic monster when he's fighting, and he hasn't had much of a problem with either in a while. a cock shaped fruit posted:I think that's what I love about The Venture Bros - so many of these loose ends are not secret stories that are being hidden from us, they literally do not exist. The untold tale of Myra is not being kept in a secret vault at Astrobase, JP and Doc Hammer have not written anything. The creators of LOST always loved talking about the unsolved secrets and poo poo, but with VB what you are currently seeing is what you get. A twist might come later, but it wasn't premeditated for ages and waved under your nose. You aren't being fooled. From what I've heard about Lost, the writers there were just winging it and lying about how much they planned it out, so the Venture Brothers at least is more honest.
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You guys should really listen to the commentaries if you care this much about this stuff and still haven't. Doc and Jackson make sure that all this stuff makes sense when they write it but they don't plan every single little thing ahead of time. They don't know any more about what's happening offscreen than we do generally. I bet most of what they know now that we don't is just stuff that got cut and stuff that hasn't aired yet but is going to.
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Making up the ovearching plot as they go along is perfectly reasonable, given that the media they are parodying/paying homage to also just made up everything as they went. Most comic books and cartoons don't plan much further ahead than their production cycles and don't give much of a crap about continuity anyway, considering some future writer will just change everything if they feel like it! The big pastiche this season is GI Joe, and that show was a half-hour toy commercial - any attention paid to story was purely by accident.
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Like, "O.S.I. Love You" delivered on a number of loose plot points in a way that was satisfying and organic - does it particularly matter that they hadn't more than a notion of the later plot line when writing "The Silent Partners" and "Operation PROM"? As long as it's put together well, I don't think a show needs a 7-season master plan in order to have a deep, rich element of mystery and anticipation of how things will unfold. What the writers dont care about are irrelevant details. If they want to make a joke and it fits the situation, it doesn't matter if it contradicts some throwaway plot point from seasons ago. (e.g. From the premiere this season: SPHINX not paying rent, and the Monarch not being Dr. Girlfriend's boss were once important plot points, both ignored in favor of a quick joke - and does that kind of poo poo really matter?)
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Jerusalem posted:Well, Rusty slept with one of them first. Hopefully first.
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I have listened to all the commentaries, these guys are winging it and it's awesome.
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The best part about the show is that some things exist just because they had a joke or gag and wanted it to fit. The Guild came about because they wanted an episode where a bunch of supervillains go to a tag sale. Shore Leave exists because they wanted to do a Holy Diver joke. Mile High is still my favorite call sign.
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I seem to recall not liking Every Which Way But Zeus when I first watched it. I have absolutely no idea why, it's amazing. 'You have until I finish this juicebox. Warning! I am tursty! It is fruit punch, and it is delicious!'
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Daktar posted:I seem to recall not liking Every Which Way But Zeus when I first watched it. I have absolutely no idea why, it's amazing. I sort of remember feeling the same thing and I don't know why either. The Scott Hall reveal, the return of Ghost Robot... that episode is great.
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bobkatt013 posted:That also reminds me if you do not have the Venture Brothers on dvd yet they are on sale at 9.99 for seasons 1-3 and 7.99 for seasons 4.1-4.2. Where is this sale?
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Steve Vader posted:Where is this sale? Amazon.
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