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Trabisnikof posted:The SF Chronicle also has the worst website. And now you'll have the pleasure of paying to view their lovely articles on their lovely website.
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Jul 16, 2013 01:58
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gret posted:And now you'll have the pleasure of paying to view their lovely articles on their lovely website. The paywall is there for your own good. One of favorite Colbert interviews was the one in which he told replicant Gavin Newstrom his book on digital democracy was a pile of buzz word loaded poo poo. etalian fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 02:02
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Trabisnikof posted:The SF Chronicle also has the worst website. Yup, and now they're charging for full access to their poo poo content on their poo poo website. edit: gently caress, beaten again! Amarkov posted:This, but unironically. The median household income in San Francisco is seventy three thousand dollars. I forgot to reply to this earlier. It's funny that you're acting like a household income of $73,000 is a massive amount of money in SF. That's a middle class income in SF. Don't forget that housing is insanely expensive here, and that pay is also high (SF has the highest minimum wage in the nation, at $10.55, and also had the highest average wage increase of any American city over the past year). $73,000 is not going to go nearly as far in SF as it will in say, Alabama, or most of the US for that matter. And tens of thousands of SF residents still have incomes that would be considered low anywhere in the nation. Here are the most recent household income stats for SF (2011): households making less than $10,000: 21,561 - 6.4% $10,000 to $14,999: 20,258 - 6.0% $15,000 to $24,999: 28,152 - 8.3% $25,000 to $34,999: 23,862 - 7.1% $35,000 to $49,999: 31,665 - 9.4% $50,000 to $74,999: 47,260 - 14.0% $75,000 to $99,999: 37,965 - 11.2% $100,000 to $149,999: 55,237 - 16.3% $150,000 to $199,999: 29,848 - 8.8% $200,000 or more: 42,558 - 12.6% Also: people living in poverty: 99,977 - 12.3% Don't get me wrong, there are tons of wealthy people in SF, probably more than your average US city, but they are not in the majority. Rah! fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 02:17
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Rah! posted:Don't get me wrong, there are tons of wealthy people in SF, probably more than your average US city, but they are not in the majority. San Francisco is a fascinating city because the gap between rich and poor is so visible and so close together. $73,000 is not "a lot of money" if you live in San Francisco proper, but it is quite a bit for the bay. More and more poor and middle class people are being pushed from SF proper to the east bay and beyond (why do you think Stockton has so many people?).
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Jul 16, 2013 03:40
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VideoTapir posted:The California Burrito Zone actually extends into parts of Oregon, Nevada and western Arizona. Quality may peak in certain locales, but you'll see what I mean if you drive east across the southwest sampling burritos as you go. (By the time you get to New Mexico you'll just give up and have nothing but wet burritos.) I can absolutely confirm that the green chile chicken milanesa burritos in New Mexico beat the crap out of anything, ever. California is basically Tex-Mex but "fresher" and even more so meant for white people.
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Jul 16, 2013 04:05
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nm posted:San Francisco is a fascinating city because the gap between rich and poor is so visible and so close together. Very true, but SF does have plenty of middle class people too, it's not just wealthy and poor people. And I know that $73k goes farther in the rest of the Bay Area, but I was just talking about SF city proper. As for poor people getting pushed out, it's been going on to some extent for a few decades now but it's been speeding up over the past 15 years, and is even affecting places like Oakland. Poor people are ending up in places like Antioch, Fairfield, Richmond, Vallejo, etc, and also to the central valley, in places like Sacramento, Stockton, etc. In regards to Stockton, the US census actually added it (and San Joaquin county) to the San-Francisco-San Jose-Oakland Combined Statistical Area earlier this year due to the percentage of commuters coming to the Bay Area (a number which has been rising for a long time, but which just recently passed the threshold to be combined with the SJ-SF-Oakland CSA).
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Jul 16, 2013 04:15
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nm posted:San Francisco is a fascinating city because the gap between rich and poor is so visible and so close together. Yep. One of the best parts of the city (Nob Hill) is literally two blocks or less away from one of the worst (Tenderloin).
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Jul 16, 2013 04:20
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sincx posted:Yep. One of the best parts of the city (Nob Hill) is literally two blocks or less away from one of the worst (Tenderloin). It's always amusing seeing confused tourists wandering through the tenderloin. Not amusing when poo poo goes wrong though, like robberies, or people getting shot/stabbed/assaulted or stepping in hobo poo poo. Black Dynamite posted:I can absolutely confirm that the green chile chicken milanesa burritos in New Mexico beat the crap out of anything, ever. California is basically Tex-Mex but "fresher" and even more so meant for white people. Green chile is great, but what is with people thinking dumb things about Mexican food in CA? CA Mexican food is for the most part not like tex mex. And much of it is pretty drat authentic and not "for white people", as you put it (yet poo poo tons of white people eat it anyways!  ), while plenty more of it is Americanized "white people food". Which makes perfect sense, seeing as CA has millions of Mexicans and millions of non-hispanic white people. In fact, there are as many hispanic/latino people (mostly Mexican) in California now as there are non-hispanic white people. In a few years, non-hispanic whites will be a minority in CA.
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Jul 16, 2013 04:26
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Use the number of white people in a food venue to decide how authentic it is. Little chinese place that my roommates and myself are the only white people there *ever*? Awesome as gently caress and full of yum stuff like intestines.
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Jul 16, 2013 04:39
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Rah! posted:Green chile is great, but what is with people thinking dumb things about Mexican food in CA? CA Mexican food is for the most part not like tex mex. And much of it is pretty drat authentic and not "for white people", as you put it (yet poo poo tons of white people eat it anyways! Prediction: in 50 years Hispanic whites will just be whites and mestizos will still be Mexicans. 
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Jul 16, 2013 04:42
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Prediction: in 50 years Hispanic whites will just be whites and mestizos will still be Mexicans. It's already happened to about half my family, Mexican descendants from New Mexico that moved to California. 
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Jul 16, 2013 04:58
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It's happened in America before with all the European minorities. A few generations in and they're white because white is a made up category that you're basically in if your skin is between 'moonstone' and 'uncooked bagel' in tone and you don't have a funny accent. edit: Oh, and you've got to pronounce your last name wrong. My last name is Dutch and should sound like a guy clearing his throat and puking at the same time, but it's been watered down to a boring series of sounds. I used to know this Japanese-descended guy whose last name was O'Hara because the guy at immigration couldn't pronounce Okata when his great--grandparents came through. Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 05:06
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The best newspaper in the state is the Arcata Eye. Christ no. Give me loving flashbacks why don't you, anyway, the Eye closes in a couple of more months anyway, unless it sold already. Guy who did it is retiring.
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Jul 16, 2013 05:09
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Rah! posted:In regards to Stockton, the US census actually added it (and San Joaquin county) to the San-Francisco-San Jose-Oakland Combined Statistical Area earlier this year due to the percentage of commuters coming to the Bay Area (a number which has been rising for a long time, but which just recently passed the threshold to be combined with the SJ-SF-Oakland CSA). Wow, it has? I guess you get towns like Mountain House and Tracy, but then the whole region got hosed by the huge increase in gas prices since the turn of the millennium...
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Jul 16, 2013 05:14
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To say that either Cali-mex is Tex-mex or that Cali-mex is authentic Mexican is silly. Is there authentic Mexican in California? Totally, but that's not Cali-mex either. Hint: if it comes with an entire avocado, its probably Cali-mex.
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Jul 16, 2013 05:14
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Trabisnikof posted:To say that either Cali-mex is Tex-mex or that Cali-mex is authentic Mexican is silly. Is there authentic Mexican in California? Totally, but that's not Cali-mex either. Hint: if it comes with an entire avocado, its probably Cali-mex. Totally unrelated, but California rolls were what got me into sushi  ...and from there, we have probably a billion variations on the CA roll (e.g. Rainbow, Catepillar, Dragon, etc etc etc)
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Jul 16, 2013 05:17
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Trabisnikof posted:To say that either Cali-mex is Tex-mex or that Cali-mex is authentic Mexican is silly. Is there authentic Mexican in California? Totally, but that's not Cali-mex either. Hint: if it comes with an entire avocado, its probably Cali-mex. It also really doesn't matter. Just call it 'fusion' cuisine and be done with it. There's plenty of variation on how Mexican food is done inside Mexico, too. I mainly just miss the hell out of it. I've been told by some of my Chinese-Californian friends that you can get better Chinese food in San Francisco than in many parts of China, since the ingredients are more readily available and of better quality. Is this just rah-rah Cali boosterism?
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Jul 16, 2013 15:38
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Obdicut posted:I've been told by some of my Chinese-Californian friends that you can get better Chinese food in San Francisco than in many parts of China, since the ingredients are more readily available and of better quality. Is this just rah-rah Cali boosterism? CAN get? Yeah, you probably CAN. If you were to pick any two restaurants at random, though? No.
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Jul 16, 2013 15:44
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm sad California doesn't really have a Texas Tribune equivalent. Judging by the U-T's open and unapologetic bent, it's more of a Daily Oklahoman equivalent now. (Routinely judged America's worst newspaper by trade orgs when it came to newsroom and editorial independence)
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Jul 16, 2013 15:48
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Obdicut posted:I've been told by some of my Chinese-Californian friends that you can get better Suggested revision above.
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Rah! posted:Green chile is great, but what is with people thinking dumb things about Mexican food in CA? CA Mexican food is for the most part not like tex mex. And much of it is pretty drat authentic and not "for white people", as you put it (yet poo poo tons of white people eat it anyways!  But yeah, in a few years, they won't even be the largest minority.
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Thanatosian posted:Technically speaking, non-hispanic whites are already a minority in CA. But so is everybody else. So's Texas actually (and actually TexMex is a lot spicier than normal mexican food).
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Jesus Christ, enough about loving food. Here, have some more details about San Diego's sexual harassment allegations. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-filner-20130716,0,3575515.story quote:SAN DIEGO — Turning up the pressure on Mayor Bob Filner to resign, three former supporters Monday released details of his alleged sexual harassment of women, including the forcible kissing of two constituents and grabbing the buttocks and breast of a staff member.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:08
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He's absolutely correct that he is entitled to due process. It makes me uncomfortable that people's default stance is to assume that he actually sexually harassed those women. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
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Jul 16, 2013 18:27
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enraged_camel posted:He's absolutely correct that he is entitled to due process. It makes me uncomfortable that people's default stance is to assume that he actually sexually harassed those women. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? You don't need use the bar for legal guilt in evaluating your local scumbag.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:38
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enraged_camel posted:He's absolutely correct that he is entitled to due process. It makes me uncomfortable that people's default stance is to assume that he actually sexually harassed those women. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? That applies to legal punishment. E.g., the courts and the government should treat him as innocent until proven guilty. Voters, on the other hand, can have him recalled for any reason or no reason, and politicians can be booted for things that are not crimes (infidelity, for one common example). If the voters of San Diego decide that this guy is a loving creep, they can oust him, and he's not "entitled" to some presumption of innocence until proven guilty to the standards required by a criminal court proceeding.
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Jul 16, 2013 18:40
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I just recently moved in with a friend who lives in Folsom. I didn't think it was possible for a town to be whiter than my previous home of suburban Texas, but jesus christ Folsom is the whitest god drat thing I've ever seen.
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Pomp posted:I just recently moved in with a friend who lives in Folsom. I didn't think it was possible for a town to be whiter than my previous home of suburban Texas, but jesus christ Folsom is the whitest god drat thing I've ever seen. Let me show you Danville/Alamo (excluding the Dougherty Valley area)... Danville at least voted for Obama twice, but then I remember when I drove north on 680 during spring 2012, I saw billboards in Alamo saying "Obama, here's your pink slip! Hands off my healthcare!" by the East Bay Tea Party 
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Leperflesh posted:Voters, on the other hand, can have him recalled for any reason or no reason, and politicians can be booted for things that are not crimes (infidelity, for one common example). If the voters of San Diego decide that this guy is a loving creep, they can oust him, and he's not "entitled" to some presumption of innocence until proven guilty to the standards required by a criminal court proceeding. I guess what I am saying is that before making major decisions - such as a mayor recall - we need to launch a formal investigation and evaluate all information carefully. Recalling a mayor should not be a simple matter of someone going to the media and saying, "he grabbed my boobs and butt!" I'm staunchly against sexism, but I also know that a lot of people are assholes and lie all the time. The standards required by criminal court proceedings should be applied to all situations where the consequences are as significant as being convicted of a crime. Hell, even for simple bullshit like office politics one should never assume the gossip is right. There are two sides to every story.
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Jul 16, 2013 19:35
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nm posted:San Francisco is a fascinating city because the gap between rich and poor is so visible and so close together. Rent control is the only thing that keeps working class people in the city. Rents can vary widely by length of tenure. A friend of mine has a floor of a place in Cole valley, 1br, pays $850 because he's been there since the late 80s. The floor above him rents for over $3k
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The rental market in SF is insane. If you are looking at a place close to a Google/Apple/Facebook shuttle route then you are hosed unless you can compete with the people offering six months or a year's rent in advance. It isn't unusual for a building to have new tenants paying 2-3x (or more) above other tenants who have been there 10 years or more.
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Jul 16, 2013 20:08
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withak posted:The rental market in SF is insane. If you are looking at a place close to a Google/Apple/Facebook shuttle route then you are hosed unless you can compete with the people offering six months or a year's rent in advance. It isn't unusual for a building to have new tenants paying 2-3x (or more) above other tenants who have been there 10 years or more. It's a gigantic bubble that is growing day by day. Things won't be pretty for new houseowners once it pops.
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enraged_camel posted:I guess what I am saying is that before making major decisions - such as a mayor recall - we need to launch a formal investigation and evaluate all information carefully. Recalling a mayor should not be a simple matter of someone going to the media and saying, "he grabbed my boobs and butt!" I'm staunchly against sexism, but I also know that a lot of people are assholes and lie all the time. Are you loving stupid? He doesn't have to commit a crime to lose the support of the voters. The man has multiple sexual harassment claims pending, from both subordinates and constituents, AND he admits to treating woman poorly (probably the nicest possible way to put it) which alone would be enough to recall him. Maybe when women make claims of sexual harassment YOU think they are engaging in office politics or being lying bitches. Most of us have the brains to realize that in fact his abusive behavior was probably even more severe than what has so far come to light. More details, as if they are necessary: quote:On Monday, Filner's ex-fiancee, Bronwyn Ingram, told local public radio station KPBS that Filner should resign and that she had caught him making dates with other women and sending them sexually explicit emails. She added, however, that she does not know whether allegations that he harassed his staff are true. He is a disgusting old creep who is an embarrassment to San Diego (as if it needed more embarrassments) Play fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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enraged_camel posted:I guess what I am saying is that before making major decisions - such as a mayor recall - we need to launch a formal investigation and evaluate all information carefully. Recalling a mayor should not be a simple matter of someone going to the media and saying, "he grabbed my boobs and butt!" I'm staunchly against sexism, but I also know that a lot of people are assholes and lie all the time. The biggest problem is going to be his effectiveness in governing the city. If people from the same party think you're antagonistic (which he is) and a scumbag (which is what is alleged), then how is he going to get any support for whatever he wants to do? He's already backtracked from his first statement, which was "I need help"- that would seem to indicate that he's acknowledging that the problem exists, not denying the allegations forcefully.
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etalian posted:The biggest use of water is agriculture, which takes up 85% of the total water consumption for the state. DUST BOWL
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rope kid posted:CONGRESS-CREATED ANYONE BUT CARDOZA I swear to god, between 2010 (when I first saw them) and June 2013 (my most recent trip through the I-5) an OBAMA-CREATED DUST BOWL sign popped up along the freeway. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 20:28
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Play posted:Are you loving stupid? No I'm not, and perhaps you should learn to make your point in a more civil manner.
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enraged_camel posted:It's a gigantic bubble that is growing day by day. Things won't be pretty for new houseowners once it pops. I actually doubt housing in SF is going to "pop" nor would I call it a bubble. It will plateau soon (I hope) and will probably decline a bit and come back up as per the general economy changes (i.e. another tech burst); however, more and more people are interested in leaving their suburban upbringings and getting into urban cities. Especially as gentrification continues and I know there's a huge list of young people who're eager to move into the city. I would loving love to live in SF if I could find a 1B that allows dogs (nothing does right now as it's 100% renter's market and isn't going to change for the forseeable future) under 2K but it ain't going to happen. Xaris fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Pomp posted:I just recently moved in with a friend who lives in Folsom. I didn't think it was possible for a town to be whiter than my previous home of suburban Texas, but jesus christ Folsom is the whitest god drat thing I've ever seen. You think Folsom is bad, go check out El Dorado Hills, or Rancho Murieta. The latter of which is one giant gated community. Pale skin as far as the eye can see.
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