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I'm surprised it's not just a big ol' picture of Earth coloured Zionist Blue.
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Wow this thread is bad at twitter. Elizabeth May just repeated another person's list of things they care about while explaining why a fair voting system is something that person should care about too. She didn't bring up those topics or make any value judgements about those topics. All she did was type words that somebody else typed during a conversation with that person. At worst she is guilty of being trolled.
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Oct 12, 2013 11:04
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I'll admit that I'm bad at twitter but if it was a retweet wouldn't it say so? Either way she should be responsible for what comes out of her account.
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Oct 12, 2013 11:56
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Yeah it's sort of disingenuous to argue that a politician shouldn't be called out on insane conspiracy theory bullshit simply because they heard the insane conspiracy theory bullshit from someone else. Blindly parroting things with no concept of their meaning is just as bad. There's really no good excuse for this kind of nonsense. You wouldn't see her telling a NAMBLA associate or something that proportional representation would lead to a fair discussion of pedophilia. While possibly a fair assertion in a purely rational sense, that would still be a loving stupid and borderline nuts thing to say. Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Oct 12, 2013 13:29
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THC posted:Well, I guess it's a step above "stand against the savage hordes" Your ancient kingdom looks like a cock. Apt.
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Oct 12, 2013 14:37
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THC posted:Well, I guess it's a step above "stand against the savage hordes" Oh haha. Yes, Canada & Israel. In other news, this article was published today: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/10/arafat-poisoning-claim-backed-journal-2013101215735508974.html TL;DR Peer reviewed researched suggests Yasser Arafat may have been poisoned with polonium causing his death.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:04
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Yes, let's go back to the rightfully god-ordained borders of 3000 years ago. Oops, sorry white people who don't live in Eurasia.
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Oct 12, 2013 15:05
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Throwdini posted:Wow this thread is bad at twitter. Elizabeth May just repeated another person's list of things they care about while explaining why a fair voting system is something that person should care about too. She didn't bring up those topics or make any value judgements about those topics. All she did was type words that somebody else typed during a conversation with that person. At worst she is guilty of being trolled. Uhh, do you really not see what's wrong with a politician (and federal party leader) forwarding on things that crazy through their official mouthpiece? I sense a  coming on here...e: She could have at least done this eMay posted:@ElizabethMay: @lorabruncke @FairVoteCanada Without fair voting, many issues are ignored. At least then she could fall back on "we care about what voters are about" and not look like she supports the idea that contrails are a government plot to dumb down and pacify their citizens, or whatever brand of crazy @lorabruncke subscribes to. Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Oct 12, 2013 16:17
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Elizabeth May is crazy, and legitimately has no idea how the Canadian political system works (the Queen's PR rep had to write her a letter explaining parts of it, as I recall). The Green Party is probably doomed to irrelevance in the short term, because as long as only crazy people will vote Green, their platform and representation will reflect the wishes of those crazy people. Frankly, keeping paranoid, conspiracy-theorist morons out of government is one of the many reasons why I oppose proportional representation.
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I know people who have volunteered a lot of time with the Green Party. There are intelligent, scientifically literate people in the Green Party. My anecdote doesn't really mean anything, but don't you think a PR system would be an opportunity for some of the more reasonable Greens to be elected? From what I can tell, May basically a de-facto leader because she's the only one with media contacts and the ability to get elected in this system. I think there are areas where the Green Party runs a strong campaign and has lots of support from people who end up voting strategically.
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Oct 12, 2013 17:55
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And how would PR allow crazies to have any sway in the government? Okay, maybe BC gets another Green MP or two, I don't see how that is a problem as they would be pretty powerless in the grand scheme. (and as silly as it is, even people we would call crazy deserve representation... Wildrose, after all) Do you have other issues with PR? I mean coupled with an alternate vote system I think it would significantly improve representation in Canada.
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I don't really see how FPTP has prevented crazies from getting in. In fact, I'm pretty sure it handed them the government 
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Oct 12, 2013 18:02
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The 40% have spoken!
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Oct 12, 2013 18:06
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Moreover, the "crazy problem" with PR has actually been anticipated and solved in many deployments (see for example Germany's 5% vote floor for parliamentary representation). I actually prefer some sort of IRV or MMP system to pure national PR (because this is Canada and Regionalism Is King), but let's not give it flaws that aren't there anymore.
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Oct 12, 2013 18:07
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Or we could just split up into 6 distinct countries. The Weed Coast, The Great Oil Plains, Ontario Land, La Belle République de Québec, The Drinking Maritime Confederation, and The Great Underpopulated North.
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Oct 12, 2013 18:12
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Huge Liability posted:I know people who have volunteered a lot of time with the Green Party. There are intelligent, scientifically literate people in the Green Party. I thought she was the leader of the party because the party selected her to be leader. As long as that's the case, how can we think that prop. rep. would ensure only the sane people get in? I think IRV or some sort of ranked voting system would be far, far better in terms of ensuring that the will of the majority is respected, while still providing an opportunity for smaller parties to gain seats.
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Oct 12, 2013 18:13
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A lot of the more reasonable and grounded people in the Green Party left after May became leader. They were right-leaning eco-capitalists, but they sane, and they were in politics because they cared about climate change. Now the party is just mostly the granola crowd.PT6A posted:Elizabeth May is crazy, and legitimately has no idea how the Canadian political system works (the Queen's PR rep had to write her a letter explaining parts of it, as I recall). The Green Party is probably doomed to irrelevance in the short term, because as long as only crazy people will vote Green, their platform and representation will reflect the wishes of those crazy people. Yeah. In a really embarrassing episode, Elizabeth May wrote to the Queen asking her to dissolve Canada's government because the Conservatives are a dictatorship or something. 
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Oct 12, 2013 18:29
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That's the most polite  I've ever read.
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I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and for her to announce herself and her party free-people-on-the-land and that they recognize MAY, ELIZABETH, her corporate person, wherefore, 
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Pinterest Mom posted:A lot of the more reasonable and grounded people in the Green Party left after May became leader. They were right-leaning eco-capitalists, but they sane, and they were in politics because they cared about climate change. Now the party is just mostly the granola crowd. Wow that's pretty bad. Maybe our politicians should have to pass the grade 10 civics class before being elected.
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Oct 13, 2013 02:59
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Wow, that is one of the most embarassing stunts I've ever heard or read or imagined. Could the Greens really not have found one healthy, sane person in all of BC? Don't answer that.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Yeah. In a really embarrassing episode, Elizabeth May wrote to the Queen asking her to dissolve Canada's government because the Conservatives are a dictatorship or something. I'm willing to give Elizabeth May the benefit of the doubt and assume that she did this as a shameless publicity stunt, not that she was legitimately asking Elizabeth II to become El Presidente of Canada. And because it can't be posted enough: Green Party of Canada posted:Can nuclear power meet our energy needs and be the solution to climate change? Justin Trudeau fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Oct 13, 2013 04:02
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Radiation causes cancer? Why was I not informed.
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Oct 13, 2013 04:23
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Wow that's pretty bad. Maybe our politicians should have to pass the grade 10 civics class before being elected. Isn't she actually American by dint of upbringing? That could be why there was such a hilarious confusion.
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Oct 13, 2013 04:38
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" In addition, radioactive emissions that routinely leak from current facilities in Ontario have a half-life of over 5000 years. The spent fuel has over 200 cancer-causing elements. Plutonium, for example, has a half-life of 24,400 years, while other harmful substances persist millions of years in our environment with no known safety treatment nor storage place." Quoting long half-lives as evidence of how scary an isotope is has to be my favourite 'getting it rear end-backwards' anti-nuclear scare tactic edit:"As well, depleted uranium waste is increasingly and routinely used to coat armor-piercing bullets and missiles in “conventional” warfare, leaving a legacy of toxic metal and radioactive contamination as an on-going health and environmental threat to civilians post-conflict." That's an interesting point how much depleted uranium do Canadian reactors create I wonder no wait I don't
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Well, I feel even more confident in saying that the Green Party is run by people somewhere between the lines of abject stupidity and outright insanity. I suppose I feel happy that I won't have to entertain the possibility of voting for them in the near future, not that it was ever weighing on my mind. On the other hand, I had a good discussion with my MLA, Kent Hehr, earlier in the evening. I don't agree with him all the time, but he's one of the best politicians I've ever dealt with in terms of being able to defend his positions and support his arguments. And he's one hell of a nice guy.
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You're Kent Hehr, aren't you.
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Tochiazuma posted:" In addition, radioactive emissions that routinely leak from current facilities in Ontario have a half-life of over 5000 years. The spent fuel has over 200 cancer-causing elements. Plutonium, for example, has a half-life of 24,400 years, while other harmful substances persist millions of years in our environment with no known safety treatment nor storage place." Canadian nuclear power plants have multiple layers of protection to safeguard against release, and undergo multiple radioactive surveys every day to make sure that none of it is released so they just pulled the "routinely leak" out of their asses. And yes, since we don't enrich uranium we don't have depleted uranium left over so wtf. (Also depleted uranium isn't used to "coat" things and it isn't used in missiles, it would completely defeat the purpose of using a high-density material if you just used a little dusting of it) There ARE reasons to be anti-nuclear but I have never seen any political group use facts to support the position nor have I seen any of them offer a viable alternative that doesn't involve heavier reliance on coal, which is far worse by several metrics. And I have this feeling that the Greens live in some la-la land where you can just say "well I hate coal too and we plan on replacing both coal and nuclear with lower output, unreliable solar and wind and have it work" BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Oct 13, 2013 14:53
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I am trying to envision an "armour-piercing missile" design that would be aided by the addition of depleted uranium.
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If you're having your armour pierced by a missile, I don't think the uranium is going to do much more.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You're Kent Hehr, aren't you. My conservative viewpoints, for which I received this shiny red title, have all been a clever ruse to distract other posters from the fact I'm a Liberal MLA. It was the perfect crime... No, I'm not Kent, but he lives in my building and frequently hangs around my neighbourhood, so I run into him pretty frequently.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I am trying to envision an "armour-piercing missile" design that would be aided by the addition of depleted uranium. I think that some people actually think that depleted uranium is used in weapons to "salt the earth" of the combat zone as a gently caress you to anyone who dares to take up arms against the United States. If you think about it from that point of view then coating all of your bombs and missiles and bullets in a radioactive heavy metal makes a lot of sense. Especially when you consider all of the other pseudoscience and conspiracy theorist crap that the Green Party has latched onto. Of course, while it turns out that such weapons do leave lasting hazards on the battlefield, the original intent of using it was innocent enough - uranium-238 is pretty drat dense compared to many other metals and that makes it good at penetrating armour.
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I get what you're saying but calling that an 'innocent' motivation is rather ironic.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Wow that's pretty bad. Maybe our politicians should have to pass the grade 10 civics class before being elected. Someone quote Harper's thoughts on minority coalition governments here. PT6A posted:Elizabeth May is crazy, and legitimately has no idea how the Canadian political system works (the Queen's PR rep had to write her a letter explaining parts of it, as I recall). The Green Party is probably doomed to irrelevance in the short term, because as long as only crazy people will vote Green, their platform and representation will reflect the wishes of those crazy people. There's very little crazy conspiracy theory stuff in the federal & Ontario Green platforms. The homeopathy bit people keep complaining about is one paragraph in a ~200 odd page policy document. The current short platform doesn't have much objectionable material. In fact, it has a proposed budget which is balanced through rolling back previous cuts to corporate tax rates and implementing a carbon tax (!). Having said that, I wish May would just stop these senseless publicity stunts and show some better judgment than replying to a tweet about loving chemtrails and vaccine scaremongering, but I'm afraid the Green Party is stuck with her as long as she's the only MP. I still don't see any evidence that she actually believes that vaccines cause autism. I don't recall her ever saying anything about the subject before. Anyway, even if the Greens cleaned up the crap in the federal platform and elected a better leader, I'm sure you'd all just be raging about how unfair it is that they're siphoning more votes from the NDP. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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Ensign Expendable posted:I am trying to envision an "armour-piercing missile" design that would be aided by the addition of depleted uranium. I think that's how Warhammer 40k's signature Bolt Guns work. They're automatic armor-piercing mini-rocket launchers. Oh you mean in reality.
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Oct 14, 2013 00:27
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Humbug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvc4PprjYVk
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Oct 14, 2013 00:47
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is there like a iMovie plug-in to make these word video things, cause every tom dick & harry is posting em.
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Oct 14, 2013 01:04
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Hey armchair/legitimate economists, If the US defaults or does something else nuts, it's probably a given that the CAD:USD exchange rate would drop (CAD becoming more expensive in USD). What would happen to the interest rate though? Presumably GICs would be in more demand as they become more attractive compared to US T-Bills, but erm... does that actually even affect the interest rate? If it does, it would be a conscious decision by the BoC right? They aren't intrinsically related?
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Bond yields will be the last thing we worry about in the post-default Mad Max world with roving gangs of Fords terrorising the Gardiner. This seems right to me - if, for some reason, the US defaults and it miraculously doesn't wreck our economy, our bond yields should go down. The part where it doesn't wreck our economy is a pretty big assumption.
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In theory if investors abandon US government debt for Canadian debt, interest rates will rise in the United States, fall in Canada, and the Canadian Dollar will appreciate relative to the US Dollar. In practice I recommend stocking up on guns and ammunition. Justin Trudeau fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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