Canadian Politics Megathread: That is simply not Trudeau

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Priapus: Feb 17, 2007; I AM LITERALLY AND I MEAN LITERALLY A STUPID NAIVE SHELTERED IGNORANT DENSE AS FUCK WASTE OF SPACE. PLEASE IGNORE ANYTHING I SAY AS THEY ARE THE RAMBLINGS OF A DELUSIONAL FUCKWAD PS MY DICK IS VERY SMALL AND I PROBABLY HAVE NEVER USED IT im so very retarded

When said in the context of a crack mayor talking about 1st degree murdering some guy while hanging out with crack traffikers that has a brother who used to run a drug empire? I'm not saying I'm just saying.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 04:01

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# ? May 9, 2024 12:17

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Odddzy posted:

The minister in charge of the charter (Bernard Drainville) has asked the people that are for it to go and sign a petition. 26000 people transmitted their opinion on it, 0.4 percent of the population of quebec.

7% of the comments where not in relation to the subject (so we fall at 24000/26000 people)

only 47% of the respondents are in complete agreement with the five points of the charter, leaving us with only 12500/26000 people in the province that are for it in it's entirety.

The minister was saying in his press conference how a great success the petition was and that he had never seen so much civic duty expressed in his carreer.

Meanwhile, the petition AGAINST the quebec charter started by a singer/writer had gained 26700 signatures, The signatures for a petition against a mini-miss universe contest had amassed 50000 signatures and the petition to remove the old prime minister (Jean Charest) during the student strikes had amassed 250 000 signatures (and this had happened only a year prior).

The video then ends with Drainville stating that it's a beautiful day for democracy and the narrator countering that it's a terrible one for mathematics.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 04:24

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

The Dark One posted:

Quebec's take on equality has always felt paternalistic to me. Instead of making a name change after marriage available to either spouse, the province, in the name of equality, forbid women from legally changing them. When my grandmother (who was married in another province, and decades before the rules were changed) had to be admitted to the hospital, all of her records referred to her with a name she hadn't used most most of her life.

That's pretty much on point, and it reflects on how much Quebec has changed, the paternalism that the Quiet Revoluationaries decried was only replaced with a different kind of paternalism.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 06:06

JayMax: Jun 14, 2007; Hard-nosed gentleman

Really, the name change thing is now an important issue in this thread?

Use the name you want. Who cares if your tax report has a different one?

I'd be weirded out if a woman I married wanted to take my name, but I've never given it a thought before today.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 06:27

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

JayMax posted:

Really, the name change thing is now an important issue in this thread?

Use the name you want. Who cares if your tax report has a different one?

I'd be weirded out if a woman I married wanted to take my name, but I've never given it a thought before today.

Why is it any business of the state though? What if both partners decided to hyphenate their last names, which is a thing that is happening more and more? Why should the state have any role in deciding it at all?

# ? Nov 8, 2013 06:53

JayMax: Jun 14, 2007; Hard-nosed gentleman

Cordyceps Headache posted:

Why is it any business of the state though? What if both partners decided to hyphenate their last names, which is a thing that is happening more and more? Why should the state have any role in deciding it at all?

They should do whatever they want, but the state doesn't have to change the names in their database. Everybody wins!

# ? Nov 8, 2013 07:37

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

The SJW's that caused GBS to go nuclear have come to loiter in D&D. Sad day for democracy indeed. :smith:

# ? Nov 8, 2013 08:18

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

Rime posted:

The SJW's that caused GBS to go nuclear have come to loiter in D&D. Sad day for democracy indeed.

What the hell prompted this?

JayMax posted:

They should do whatever they want, but the state doesn't have to change the names in their database. Everybody wins!

If it was for reasons of database maintenance, they would just ban all name changes, instead of instituting a system whereby a bureaucrat gets to decide whether or not your name-change is for a good reason (which does include changing your name to your spouse's due to religious beliefs, but it's up to the Directeur de L'Etat Civile to decide whether or not you are really devout, or just faking to get the namechange). I don't really see why the state has to take such a paternalistic role in deciding who gets to utilize a public service. Are they just fearful that too many people will be demanding name changes otherwise?

E: Now, on its own the name change thing is a trivial issue, and not something I'm loosing sleep over. But it is reflective of the same kind of paternalistic attitude that informs the charter. There are a lot of people who believe that what the charter will do is force Muslim women to not wear the hijab at work, and that this would be a good thing for women. It assumes that women can't be trusted to make a decision like this for themselves, and require the protection of the state to prevent them oppressing themselves.

Political Whores fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 8, 2013

# ? Nov 8, 2013 08:22

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; Can't post for 12 hours!

Daynab posted:

Quebec isn't part of the Constitution.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Quebec is fully subject to the Charter, excepting use of the Notwithstanding Clause.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 14:37

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Yesterday's Full Pundit

quote:

Happy Friday to you!

When Robbie drinks, he just goes full tilt. That was the word from Rob Ford�s sister, stating the obvious about what the world has now seen for itself. Members of the Toronto mayor�s family sprang publicly to his defence for the first time yesterday amid a growing scandal that is increasingly threatening to force him out of office. His sister Kathy, a former addict, denied her brother was one or an alcoholic in need of rehab. His mother Diane blamed the pressures of the job, his political opponents and relentless media hounding for his problems. That pressure? It�s not fair to Robbie or right, mom says.

Toronto Coun. Denzil Minnan-Wong says a consensus is emerging that the mayor must take an immediate leave of absence and council should work to �show him the door� if he doesn�t. Minnan-Wong warned that if Ford doesn�t heed the calls to take a leave, the councillor will amend a forthcoming motion that would seek to have the province step in and force the mayor out.

Back on Parliament Hill, the Senate scandal continued to dominate question period yesterday, with the opposition focusing their sights on the RCMP�s questioning of former PMO staffers. NDP leader Thomas Mulcair asked the prime minister for a blanket list of who in the PMO has been questioned by the RCMP, which, shockingly, Stephen Harper didn�t provide. Equally shocking? Stating that PMO is not the target of an investigation, Harper instead deflected the fire towards the man who has brought the Senate expense scandal to his doorstep; recently suspended Senator Mike Duffy.

The dairy industry is expecting to get milked by the Canada � Europe trade agreement, with projected loss from the additional access given to the EU totaling the equivalent of the all milk production in Nova Scotia. Industry representatives told the House agriculture committee Thursday the agreement will cost the industry $300 million in market losses.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty supports increasing CPP... just not now. He�s poured cold water on proposals to hike Canadian Pension Plan benefits at next month�s meeting with the provinces, saying the economy is still not strong enough to withstand the added payroll taxes required.

The head of Canada�s main spy watchdog says new rules � and possibly legislation � are needed to help keep an eye on federal intelligence agencies. Chuck Strahl, chairman of the Security Intelligence Review Committee, says that as spy services work ever more closely together, there must be ways for watchdogs to do the same.

Veterans injured in the line of duty could soon find themselves at the front of the line when it comes to federal job openings thanks to a proposal unveiled by the Conservative government Thursday. But the plan has received a tepid response from opposition critics and some veterans advocates who fear it will help only a small number of people, as discharged members of the military with injuries already receive preferential treatment when applying for government jobs, similar to what�s given to visible minorities and people with disabilities. Surely it�s just a coincidence that word of this comes as the government is facing mounting criticism for discharging injured veterans before they�re able to qualify for their pension.

Dean Del Mastro's lawyer was in a Peterborough court yesterday for proceedings over allegations the Conservative MP willfully overspent during the 2008 federal election campaign. The case has been pushed to Dec. 4 to allow for disclosure of evidence.

Although one of the most notorious artery clogging fats might soon be banned south of the border, Canada has no plans to take it off the menu, despite the many experts who feel it should be. The Federal Drug and Food Administration proposed a ban on partially hydrogenated oils, more commonly known as trans fats, yesterday after determining the ingredient was no longer �generally recognized as safe.� Research has repeatedly linked trans fats � found in everything from baked goods to salad dressing and french fries � to life threatening conditions including heart disease and obesity.

Here and there...

The New Brunswick Liberal Association holds its biennial convention in Saint John.

The Atlantic Provinces Economic Council holds its business outlook conference in Charlottetown.

Statistics Canada releases the labour force survey for October.

The Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada, the country's largest union representing federal government professionals, holds its 94th annual general meeting in Ottawa. Former PBO Kevin Page gives the keynote address.

MP Royal Galipeau and MPP Madeleine Meilleur will make an infrastructure announcement in downtown Ottawa.

Gov. Gen. David Johnston will preside over an Order of Military Merit investiture ceremony this morning.

The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. releases preliminary housing start data for October.

Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino will join students at St. Cecilia Catholic Elementary School in Maple, Ontario to commemorate Remembrance Day.

Industry Minister James Moore will meet with northern Ontario aerospace industry leaders in North Bay.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper participates in a question and answer session in Toronto with the Ivey Business School.

Federal, provincial and territorial ministers responsible for the labour market meet to discuss skills training and labour market challenges.

Federal Liberal leader Justin Trudeau will attend the XXIV Triennial Ukrainian Canadian Congress in Toronto.

Premier Kathleen Wynne will join a roundtable with agriculture stakeholders as part of the Ontario Economic Summit in Niagara-on-the-Lake.

Minister of State for Western Economic Diversification Michelle Rempel will deliver a keynote speech at the Canadian Energy Summit 2013 in Calgary.

Federal Health Minister Rona Ambrose and Alberta Health Minister Fred Horne make an announcement in Edmonton on patient-oriented research.

Alberta Premier Alison Redford, Health Minister Fred Horne and MLA Len Webber will talk about new legislation on organ and tissue donation.

Federal Health Minister and Edmonton MP Rona Ambrose will announce support for beef sector and market development in Edmonton.

MP John Weston makes announcement about Squamish Culture and Heritage Festival.

The Government of Northwest Territories will designate a section of Highway 1 starting at the Alberta boundary as the Highway of Heroes to commemorate soldiers, police officers, first responders and firefighters who have died in the line of duty.
In Featured Opinion this morning:

Tasha Kheiriddin says Rob Ford's latest video eruption has laid bare the political hypocrisy of Ford Nation � Torontonians who don't care that their mayor is a lying, crack-smoking, foul-mouthed public drunk who makes Charlie Sheen look like Pope Francis, as long as he keeps taxes low.

The Tyee's Mitchell Anderson argues that Ford's supporters (read: enablers) continue backing the mayor because of � not in spite of � his train-wreck approach to common values.

Yasser Arafat had no shortage of enemies in Israel and around the Middle East. Now that new medical evidence strongly suggests the late Palestinian leader was poisoned to death, most fingers are pointing at Israel � and with good reason, writes Bloomberg's Jeffrey Goldberg.

Foreign Policy's Yochi Dreazen takes us inside the U.S. Treasury Department's stunningly effective � and largely invisible � sanctions war on Iran's network of overseas subsidiaries.

Finally, the Washington Post's Fareed Zakaria reports from Beijing on the Communist Party's long-run plan to stabilize and grow China's economy � without giving an inch to those calling for more political freedom.
Finally this morning, it�s fair to say that Mayor Rob Ford has become a bit of a viral sensation in the last week. Now that the late-night talk shows and headlines have taken a crack at him, you knew it was only a matter of time before Ford-themed memes and remixes hit the web. Here�s the first wave. You�re welcome.

And with that, have yourself a smokin� weekend.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 14:51

unlimited shrimp: Aug 30, 2008

He's a young economics grad working in the public service. :smith:

# ? Nov 8, 2013 14:59

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

The place where that argument falls apart is that based on his track record Rob Ford is just as bad at managing government money as you'd expect a crackhead to be.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:07

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

Did he back up his assertion that the government is switching from austerity to spending and growth by just linking the Globe and Mail's main page? Was there a headline article to that effect at the time, or was he just saying "go look it up, it's probably in here"? Also noting the implicit assumption that you can just say switching from austerity to spending is always bad, rather than making some token effort to suggest that austerity is a response to a particular recession or debt problem (the fig leaf that covers up that austerity is simply the end goal).

And if he's a public service worker, I wonder if he considers his own job and the money the government collects to pay for it to be "stealing"?

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:10

Hodgepodge: Jan 29, 2006; Can't post for 231 days!

When I hear someone is a crackhead, my first thought is "surely I can trust what he says about his finances."

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:13

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

quote:

When Robbie drinks, he just goes full tilt.

Hey, that sounds like me! I guess I can run for office!

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:15

unlimited shrimp: Aug 30, 2008

Dolash posted:

Did he back up his assertion that the government is switching from austerity to spending and growth by just linking the Globe and Mail's main page? Was there a headline article to that effect at the time, or was he just saying "go look it up, it's probably in here"? Also noting the implicit assumption that you can just say switching from austerity to spending is always bad, rather than making some token effort to suggest that austerity is a response to a particular recession or debt problem (the fig leaf that covers up that austerity is simply the end goal).

And if he's a public service worker, I wonder if he considers his own job and the money the government collects to pay for it to be "stealing"?

I think he was trying to link to this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontarios-economic-plan-to-shift-focus-from-austerity-to-spending-and-growth/article15303331/

Which is good news for anyone who's been watching the UK and Europe, and bad news for him I guess.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:34

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

Hey, does anyone want to hear Terence Corcoran's opinion on the by-election battle between the NDP's Linda McQuaig and Liberal Chrystal Freeland in Toronto Centre (Bob Rae's old seat)? Neither do I.

Terence Corcoran posted:

Linda McQuaig and Chrystia Freeland stage Marxist battle in downtown Canada

Linda McQuaig and Chrystia Freeland stage a confrontation in based on guilt and alienation in a Toronto microcosm of harmony and diversity

The federal riding of Toronto Centre is right at the geographic heart of Toronto. It might also be called Canada Centre, given that its boundaries encompass a multi-ethnic and multi-income agglomeration of Canadians, from the richest white old-money residents of Rosedale to thousands of middle-class homeowners and condo dwellers to some of the poorest immigrants from far-off lands too diverse to name. Into this relatively peaceable microcosm of Canadian harmony and diversity today come two divisive figures.

As a result of Prime Minister Harper�s Nov. 25 bye-election calls, Toronto Centre is about to be turned into a national ideological war zone. Make way for the Battle of the Marxists in Downtown Canada.

...

READ ON (please don't).

The comments are pretty much all about how Marxism failed and killed 500 million people and how socialism never works anywhere, not even in those Scandinavian hell-holes.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:35

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

It's been a few days, but even now, I can't get over 'one of my drunken stupors'.

One. of.

One of.

Even with my bullshit homework load from college, this has been the best week ever :allears:

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:50

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

And the way he phrases it, its like a monthly occurrence.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 15:59

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

spacemost posted:

He's a young economics grad working in the public service.

Show him this KPMG *global comparative tax study that ranked Toronto 5th out of 113 cities on their index. Then tell him to go screw.

http://www.competitivealternatives.com/reports/2012_compalt_report_tax_en.pdf

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:02

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Baloogan posted:

And the way he phrases it, its like a monthly occurrence.

Or possibly more common than that, even.

I was discussing the whole Rob Ford thing with some guys at the pub yesterday, and we all agreed that it's a shame Klein's tenure as mayor and premier was before the age of cameraphones. I bet there would've been some funny, funny videos.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:03

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

"Why were you yelling at your staff?"
"I never yelled at anyone."
"We have witnesses that say you did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

"Why were you smoking crack?"
"I do not smoke crack."
"We have a videotape that shows you did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

"Why were you threatening to have some motherfucker killed?"
"That never happened."
"We have video that shows it did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

This would make a great SNL sketch if we could just find a way to drag it out for way longer than necessary.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:04

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

flakeloaf posted:

"Why were you yelling at your staff?"
"I never yelled at anyone."
"We have witnesses that say you did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

"Why were you smoking crack?"
"I do not smoke crack."
"We have a videotape that shows you did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

"Why were you threatening to have some motherfucker killed?"
"That never happened."
"We have video that shows it did."
"Oh. Well, yes, that happened, but I was very drunk."

This would make a great SNL sketch if we could just find a way to drag it out for way longer than necessary.

Well, Ford isn't resigning, and it seems like he's a neverending fount of comedy, so I think that they'll have enough material so that they can open up a January show with it.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:06

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

Imagine Stephen Harper saying "I was told about the senate expenses issue, but it was during One Of my Druken Stupors."

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:09

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Hey, JT, what's your favourite ~~virtue~~ foreign administration?

quote:

Q: Which nation, besides Canada, which nation�s administration do you most admire, and why?

JT: You know, there�s a level of of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say �we need to go green fastest�we need to start investing in solar.� I mean there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about of having a dictatorship that he can do everything he wanted that I find quite interesting.

Oh, okay then.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:09

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

Good god what a terribly worded answer. I know where he was going with it and he just didn't arrive properly... at all.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:11

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Former Iggy speechwriter:

Can you think of a country whose administration is admirable besides China? I can't. Not a single one!

e: V Yeah, it has several good answers. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, hell throw Poland and the Baltic states in there. You'll note that those all happen to be democraties.

Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Nov 8, 2013

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:12

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

The question does have a good answer. Using it to make a crack at Harper and attempt to call the CPC a dictatorship wasn't a good way to answer it.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:13

EngineerJoe: Aug 8, 2004; -=whore=-

Then don't answer it... Jesus, what a terrible answer that'll be used against him.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:13

Precambrian Video Games: Aug 19, 2002

I admire China because they're infinitely more autocratic than Stephen Harper's Conservatives could ever hope to be.

Wait, what?

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:15

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

EngineerJoe posted:

Then don't answer it... Jesus, what a terrible answer that'll be used against him.

He actually joked that Sun News will use the answer to say he prefers China. He dodged the question entirely when trying to explain more about it. It's kind of painful.

If I donate to his campaign, does he still call? I might donate to yell at him.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:15

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Recall that debate about smoking we had a little while back, when several people pointed out that e-cigarettes would be a great alternative for current smokers? Well, not according to the Alberta government -- they want to ban e-cigs in public places, along with waterpipes, smoking in cars with minors, and all flavoured tobacco (because the pipe smoking rate is just skyrocketing and we need to deal with that menace).

The Alberta government are the worst kind of conservatives: they're perennially interested in controlling our own personal choices, and restricting small business (e.g. the minimum production levels for craft brewers), yet abhor the idea of regulation on larger businesses, or doing the things that the government should be doing, like paying for infrastructure, education and healthcare properly.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:16

Tochiazuma: Feb 16, 2007

Pinterest Mom posted:

Hey, JT, what's your favourite ~~virtue~~ foreign administration?

Oh, okay then.

The very next paragraph, of the actual answer

"But if I were to reach out and say which�which kind of administration I most admire, I think there�s something to be said right here in Canada for the way our territories are run. Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and the Yukon are done without political parties around consensus. And are much more like a municipal government. And I think there�s a lot to be said for people pulling together to try and solve issues rather than to score points off of each other. And I think we need a little more of that.

But Sun News can now report that I prefer China.�

But I'll agree he shouldn't have lumped 'admiration' and China's dictatorship in the same sentence. 'Interesting' was a better choice in light of what he was trying to say, and he used it later in the quote.

edit: and god yes, pick any of the dozens of better examples of well-run countries than China

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:17

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

You can be envious of their agility and still be appalled by the things they've done to attain it. The Chinese government can flick a switch and say "Everyone do this" and it'll loving happen, even if "this" is a stupid thing like killing all of the birds by or setting up cheap smelters in everyone's yard so they can make useless pig iron while starving to death. Unfortunately, if you're a politician who wants to be chosen to run an ostensibly free and democratic government, it's probably not a good idea to say you find their exercise of that power "admirable".

e: in a way that could be incompletely quoted to make you sound like you look up to dictators. Which it was.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:18

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

flakeloaf posted:

You can be envious of their agility and still be appalled by the things they've done to attain it. The Chinese government can flick a switch and say "Everyone do this" and it'll loving happen, even if "this" is a stupid thing like killing all of the birds by or setting up cheap smelters in everyone's yard so they can make useless pig iron while starving to death. Unfortunately, if you're a politician who wants to be chosen to run an ostensibly free and democratic government, it's probably not a good idea to say you find their exercise of that power "admirable".

e: in a way that could be incompletely quoted to make you sound like you look up to dictators. Which it was.

yeah that line in general was pretty :ughh:

.

I hope his handlers got on him after that and told him 'JT for CHRISTS SAKE, you obviously know your going to be quoted in the worst possible way, DON'T MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM.'

God, how can he be our best chance against Harper right now. C'mon Mulcair, time to turn on the shine and live up to Jack's Legacy.

e: VV I know.... :smith:

gently caress this country sometimes.

Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 8, 2013

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:22

Paper Jam Dipper: Jul 14, 2007; by XyloJW

Samurai Quack posted:

God, how can he be our best chance against Harper right now. C'mon Mulcair, time to turn on the shine and live up to Jack's Legacy.

Living up to Jack's legacy is still failing to become a government.

Trudeau is still the best chance because Canadians are loving dumb and if he continues to appeal to how dumb they are and just plays the role of the Pretty Prince of Canada he'll probably still take government.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:26

Tochiazuma: Feb 16, 2007

I vaguely remembered the Globe and Mail running an article supporting a strong mayor system for Canadian cities around the time Rob Ford was elected and wanted to cackle at it, but couldn't find it.

I did find this, though: Doug Ford calling for a mayoral veto back in 2011!

"I believe in a strong mayor system, like they have in the States. The mayor should have veto power ... so he has enough power to stop council," Mr. Ford said. "The mayor should be the mayor. At the end of the day ... the mayor's responsible for everything."

It's been a tough transition for the Ford camp to shift from a highly partisan, highly successful mayoral campaign to the enforced diplomacy of governing, attempting to woo councillors and win votes on a 45-person council with no party system, in which the mayor has only one ballot to cast.

"You've always got that council. You've got to have your 23 votes to get it passed," Mr. Ford said.

He'd like the mayor to be able to override council "100 per cent. � So the mayor has veto power."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/toronto-needs-strong-mayor-with-veto-power-doug-ford-says/article566760/

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:27

Ron Paul Atreides: Apr 19, 2012; Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

I just love the idea of an elected Dictator, don't you?

God it's Larry O'Brien all over again.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:29

Ensign Expendable: Nov 11, 2008; Lager beer is proof that god loves us; Pillbug

Pinterest Mom posted:

Former Iggy speechwriter:

Can you think of a country whose administration is admirable besides China? I can't. Not a single one!

e: V Yeah, it has several good answers. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, hell throw Poland and the Baltic states in there. You'll note that those all happen to be democraties.

Seeing as how the governments of the Baltic states are literally holding parades in honour of actual nazis, I wouldn't bunch them in with the other guys.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:33

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# ? May 9, 2024 12:17

Political Whores: Feb 13, 2012

Paper Jam Dipper posted:

Living up to Jack's legacy is still failing to become a government.

Trudeau is still the best chance because Canadians are loving dumb and if he continues to appeal to how dumb they are and just plays the role of the Pretty Prince of Canada he'll probably still take government.

I'm all in favour of a socialist system coming up, but since that won't happen in my lifetime ( :smith:

) I'll take a relatively benign privileged douchebag oligarch over one that's actively antagonistic to everyone on the lower rungs of society. Just stopping the Conservative "tough on crime" crusade would be worth it.

# ? Nov 8, 2013 16:34

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