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Coolguye posted:That isn't the issue at hand - your response is really confusing to tabulate for the whip.  I think it's pretty obvious. My vote is to drop any discussion of a ruins treaty entirely. That not being an option, I'm in favour of a 1 year moratorium on it on the understanding that my total opposition is unlikely to change so long as 'ruins sharing' actually means 'ruins gifting'. ie. the position of UNCAO on ruins sharing was and continues to be 'do absolutely nothing on this subject'.
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Coolguye posted:It's best to make things explicit so Kommando and BG don't have to guess - a lot of delays happen because people aren't 100%, black-and-white sure what you mean. But that said, you just clarified, so all good now! I'm taking it as an abstention.
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 From: UNEC Ceebees To: FAUN Ignatov Re: Jump Points and Extrasolar Expansion In regards to the proposed revision to the jump point treaty; given definition of what constitutes a 'safe' system, a proposal included in the response below, the first half of the alteration is quite acceptable. To the second half of the revision, it is the standing opinion of the United Nations that tending to a ship in danger 'at one's discretion' goes contrary to established maritime tradition of aiding vessels in distress, and the void is a far more dangerous place than the sea. However, in concession to the realities of the timescales of interstellar transit, we would be willing to reduce the requirement of necessity to recovering and aiding 'as soon as is practicable'. Hence, our proposal: quote:[...]In the last case, the system owner has the option to either transport the crew to a colony or system of the crew's sovereignty if asked, require that the SNO employing the crew pick up the crew from a designated "safe" location, or any combination of the two provided all are done as quickly as is practicable for all involved organizations. The system owner is not obliged to aid in repairs, and has the right to seek monetary reimbursement for any expenses incurred in relocating, housing, or providing the basic human needs for the crew. In regards to a ruins-sharing treaty, the Executive Council is currently holding longer-term discussions on the topic. However, if you have a proposal, we will hear and consider it. Secondly, UNIN has forwarded some disturbing news in regards to the system beyond JP1. Recently the system was home to a 'shipping incident' during the initial survey in which a survey vessel failed to make scheduled contact from it's extremely distant position on the far side of the JP1 system. From our investigation, the United Nations Interstellar Navy has confirmed the presence of ETI on the far side of the star system, and given readings and the presumable destruction of our ships, said ETI is both hostile and possessed of technology well in advance of either of our own. Fortuitously for all life on earth, it appears that these interlopers are unaware of the jump point into Sol, and given the extreme threat they pose, the UN is willing to accept that the Federation had no knowledge of them when you effectively transferred ownership of the system to us. The UNIN Councilor wishes to meet with Kontr-Admiral Melnikov as soon as possible to discuss this threat - I think it suffices at the diplomatic level to say that we appear to live in interesting times. message ends  Anyway, since ties to the RoC are somewhat convoluted, it would be appreciated if UNCAO, UNIEB, or UNFI would inquire with McK and Yamamoto as to the state and stability of the Cornucopian political scene at present. And is there anything else for UNFRaD? EDIT: Gnooble is correct, in my desire to wrap up several nagging diplomatic issues, the first draft of this post did elide the redaction to the Belnar white paper and, on review, go against the general sentiment as to timing. I kind of wanted to get everything done at once, but i suppose it's not to be. I'm going to assume that i have the mandate to do so and order the creation of a 'Belnar Red Paper', for public and federation consumption, in which mentions to either the JP3 ruins or the actual path to the Belnar home territories are to be redacted, and the top-level classification of the original white paper. Gnooble, Saros, the latter may require the co-operation of UNIN and UNSA, given who worked on it. However, on this point, i would like to caution the UNEC against assuming these secrets will be safe forever - plans based on the assumption that the federation will not possess certain knowledge have had a rather low success rate. They hold Mars, and they'll have some of our translations to work from; the fact that we have the Belnar Rosetta Stone and they don't means that it'll take longer for them to replicate our work, not that it's impossible. We should be ready to, at some future date, release the points we're currently redacting as 'new information', preferably before the feds discover them of their own accord. Ceebees fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Nov 11, 2013 |
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Just a quick reminder of what we know about the Aliens REPORT: Alien Ghana Class. All data observed only, inaccuracies possible. Tonnage: 8000 Thermal Sig: 1250 Speed estimate: 7812 km/s? Difficult to estimate as drives may be baffled. Armament: 7x Particle Beam, Damage 6, RoF: 5 seconds, Range Modifier 20, Observed Range 10k km. Sensors: Resolution 74, gravitational pulse signal strength 6216. Number Observed: 4 Rough estimation of Ghana class, optimistic projections could very well be worse. Credit to Imp.
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Why are we telling the Federation about the ruins - given that the UNEC vote determined not to tell them about the ruins, and also, I thought the plan was to wait for a number of months after actually signing the JP treaty before giving the Feds the santizied Belnar data? It seems to me we've just given them one hell of a reason to renegotiate, plus telling them something we voted to keep secret. Unless this is just the draft proposal, in which case, please cut out all the Belnar stuff before sending it to the Feds.
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Ceebees posted:Anyway, since ties to the RoC are somewhat convoluted, it would be appreciated if UNCAO, UNIEB, or UNFI would inquire with McK and Yamamoto as to the state and stability of the Cornucopian political scene at present. e: BG helped me out. TO: Aoi Yamamoto, Yamamoto Marine FROM: Calvin Grant, Deputy UNCAO SUBJECT: 2 Pallas's upcoming movie deal 今日は, 青いさん! 御免なさい, 私の日本語はまだ上手じゃありません. 私の英語も許容してください. I'm sure you were watching the drama surrounding 2 Pallas as much as I was. Wonderful real-life entertainment, perfect to watch with a good partner and a good wine, though I suspect I still prefer mine more red than you do. There was even a happy ending! No more puckish rogues menacing peaceful colonists with threats and bluster. I need more days like that. The day did make me wonder, though, how our buccaneer came to be at 2 Pallas. 2 Pallas is still extremely small, and thus fairly easy to keep track of. It strains my belief to think that Madam TildeATH didn't know about our buccaneer's presence. If she was aware, then she must have been getting paid to keep silent - we both know her nature. And if she was being paid, then what changed in the Cornucopian makeup to change that arrangement? I'm afraid I don't have too much in the way of insight on 2 Pallas until the electronics specialists we promised to nurture the nascent economy arrive in force, which won't happen for quite some time yet. And I obviously can't go asking Madam TildeATH directly about a situation so sensitive. So I'm forced to ask some of our mutual friends to gain that insight. Have you or Ayaka-san noticed any particular changes in Cornucopian politics recently? Little things, like regulators being more or less cooperative, changes in customs, requests to go through different offices, inspection changes -- that sort of thing. Or perhaps a noisy rival that is seeking to undermine Madam TildeATH. The stability of Cornucopia is a vital interest to both of us, so I'm trying to help my office prepare as throughly as possible to maintain that stability. Whether that includes Madam TildeATH or not is entirely up to her. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Nov 11, 2013 |
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bgreman please remove me from the civ admin queue as
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sloshmonger posted:bgreman please remove me from the civ admin queue as Deputies are permitted to retain their in-game characters.
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UNS Leyte: 5m km from Pallas, 8th August 2035, 17:53 UTC Leyte dispatches a shuttle, bearing CMDR Tolan as well as several BuShips and BuOrd technicians. As the shuttle approaches the wreck of Shrike, the technicians discover that the ship is still intact, but just barely. Its armor has been blasted away over 75% of the hull, while the propulsion section has been badly damaged. The port engine looks generally untouched, but the starboard engine is destroyed and the fuel storage bunker just ahead has also been put out of commission. The bow of the ship, where the crew quarters and sensors are located, also appears to have taken a direct hit, though the area bearing the "Hartwell" prototype search sensor appears to have avoided the worst of the destruction. Federation technicians and void crewman are present on the external hull, and a nearby shuttle indicates that more are probably active on board. Moskva floats 7500 km sun-ward of the wreck. One thing is clear: there is no mistaking that this is Shrike. Tolan radios the Federation commander and thanks him for allowing the inspection before returning to Leyte. Earth: UNSA Research Facility Johannesburg, 9th August 2035  Dr. viewtyjoe, resident UNSA missile and kinetic weapon specialist, hires another set of post-doctoral students to assist him in his lab work. He now has a staff capable of managing twenty-five research labs, though UNSA has only seen fit to grant him one lab for his work on improving the mechanics of missile reload while underway. Mars: Camp Ares, 12th August 2035  UNAS Cork reports in to UNRL that the last of the Martian infrastructure has been transported to Callisto. Cork reroutes to Earth to begin shuttling infrastructure sourced from there to the Jovian moon. All that remains of the UN presence on Mars is two engineering brigades, which should be delivered to Callisto within sixty days. (The UN does maintain a covert presence on Mars in the form of an espionage team). Earth: UNSA HQ, Geneva, 14th August 2035  UNSA junior defensive systems researcher Dr. Neophyte is granted the funding needed to take on more staff, doubling the size of project he can administer. UNS Cibola: Roanoke JP2, 16th August 2035, 12:23 UTC   UNS Cibola arrives in the vicinity of Roanoke's newly discovered jump point. Its visual appearance is mesmerizing, a vast web of charged particles and electromagnetic fields collectively known as "jump lightning." Previously, these phenomena had only been observed for the tiny fractions of a second that it takes to conduct a jump transit. Here, however, the fields snap and twist, writhing with the tremendous energy required to keep the portal opened. Several of Cibola's crew members report to the infirmary with complaints of being somehow "drawn" toward the rift opening, or that the patterns in the jump lightning appear to be beckoning them to enter. PILGRIM is still 18 days out from the rift terminus. Elsewhere, the 87th Engineer Brigade is activated on Earth. The 40th Infantry Division is deactivated, and its officers and senior NCOs enter a retraining program that will result in the 91st Mobile Infantry Battalion in late March of 2036. UNS Panner: UNIN Orbital Maintenance Facility Earth, 18th August 2035  UNS Panner, lead ship of her class, exits the maintenance berth she has been occupying since her return from Wodan. Freshly overhauled, she settles into a holding orbit to await orders from 1st Fleet HQ. UNS Cibola performs a number of experiments with those crew members most affected by the open jump point in Roanoke and determines that the effect is drastically reduced when more than 10,000km away from the jump point. There is, however, a slowly fading sense of "longing" that accompanies moving away from the point. Earth: UNSA Research Facility Kobe, 20th August 2035  Dr. Slaan completes his work vetting the "Albatross" missile prototype from Denel. Slaan certifies the missile for production, and then co-opts Dr. viewtyjoe's work on missile reloading technology. viewtyjoe is assigned to a new research project, modifying the levitated-pit nuclear warhead for space deployment and detonation. He complains that with only a single research lab available to him, he won't be able to make much progress on the project, estimating its completion as sometime in the early 2050s. Slaan, on the other hand, will be able to take credit for viewtyjoe's work early in 2036. UNS Endymion: 50m km from Klondike-Kagayan-A II, 21st August 2035, 21:40 UTC  UNS Alfred Nobel reports in after its most recent routine transit into Klondike-Kagayan. UNS Endymion has reached its first waypoint, 50m km stellar north of the second planet of the primary. There have been no signals detected up to this point, and the scout prepares to move on to its next waypoint, 50m km from both the K2-A II and K2-A III.   A follow-up report from Nobel, nineteen hours later, still shows no contacts. Endymion next moves out toward a location 50m km from Klondike-Kagayan-A VI, the location of the loss of Klondike and Kagayan. Fifteen minutes into the transit, its sensitive "Arecibo" EM-sensor detects an active signature matching that from the data recorder of Kagayan. The signature seems to be in orbit around the same planet where Klondike and Kagayan were lost, 115.2m km from Endymion's current location. The scout vessel immediately cuts its engines and sends its report to 1st Fleet HQ via UNS Alfred Nobel.  This map shows both the new active sensor contact (at the current location of K2-A VI), and the lost contacts from the attack on Klondike and Kagayan (still along the orbital path of K2-A VI). Ceebees posted:
From: FAUN Ignatov To: UNEC Ceebees Re: Jump Points and Extrasolar Expansion At no point should our proposal have been construed as allowing us to abdicate the basic responsibilities toward vessels in distress. Our alterations were to be understood as applying to the scenario that obtains after the crew(s) have been rescued. Thus, our suggested alteration of the wording. JP Treaty, FEAN Counterproposal posted:[...]In the last case, the system owner has the option to either transport the crew to a colony or system of the crew's sovereignty if asked, require that the SNO employing the crew pick up the crew from a designated "safe" location, or any combination of the two provided the crew's health and safety are held paramount. The system owner is not obliged to aid in repairs, and has the right to seek monetary reimbursement for any expenses incurred in relocating, housing, or providing the basic human needs for the crew. Officer Attribute Increases
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Viewtyjoe you improved the wrong stat! Also this is interesting with the active coming on so suddenly. The Endymion can see those actives at approx 224 million Km so it is likely they only just turned it on. I should note there's no way they can see Endymion at this distance, due to the resolution of the sensor they can only see it at about 5.8 million Km. There are two probable outcomes, firstly that they are randomly pulsing their actives and Endymion just detected the first one now and secondly Endymion was detected so they are turning on an active and coming for us. If the second case is true there is probably a DSTS installation on one of the planets somewhere that just saw us. Endymion is Emitting 20 Thermal. The Kagayan/Klondike were likely emitting 80 Thermal (cant find the orders specifying their speed) and 30 EM from the Warbler active. Before: 20th Febuary 2035 And now: 21st August 2035 bgreman posted:K2-A-3 Can be discarded as a likely base for a DSTS as it was previously an asteroid BG edited to be a planet. However no conclusions can be drawn until we see whether the contacts are moving. Saros fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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So take us through the regular day of Head of UNSA... Well first I; Talk to council - like Saros Manage laboratories - like Saros Promote ideology - like Saros Micromanage - like Saros Hit on Tilde - like Saros Get rejected - like Saros ...
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Leif. posted:Is Hoplite the auto-generated class-designation for the K2 Aliens, or is that something we chose for them in the past? The auto-generated designation was 'Ghana', 'Hoplite' is the reporting name UNIN gave to the class.
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Oh my. So do we have a guideline on what to do in case a ship is detected by hostile powers? I do hope it isn't something like head straight to the Sol JP.
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bgreman posted:UNS Cibola: Roanoke JP2, 16th August 2035, 12:23 UTC Aboard UNS Cibola, 10,001km away from the Roanoke Jump Point 2  : This... is my... hole. I'm... supossed... to go... there... : COMMANDER!: WHARARRRGBLARGH! What... what happened? : I think you're still suffering from, and this is the name I'll submit to the World Health Organization in my paper, "Abyss Syndrome".: That sounds ominous.: Can't wait for the rest of the PILGRIM group to get here. Staying here and having to see... that thing... can't... be...: COMMANDER!: UHHBLUUUEEGGH! Jeez, I can still see the afterimage after I close my eyes!: I suggest that we should keep the crew from staring towards the Jump Point for longer than neccesary.: Understood, Doc. Chief, tell the crew that it is mandatory for them to spend their free time either at the Let's Play Board Games Club, the You Look like Charles Atlas dynamic tension gym, or the Michael Bay Cinema Discusso Club.: I still can't believe he didn't win an Oscar for the second Ninja Turtles movie.: He crossed every bio-ethical boundary when he created those human-turtle hybrids in his secret lab, Chief.
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rizzen posted:Oh my. So do we have a guideline on what to do in case a ship is detected by hostile powers? I do hope it isn't something like head straight to the Sol JP. We do, in fact, have a guideline, and for the love of god don't lead them to Sol is the very first line. 
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Can I propose, in fluff, we simulate rotating the crew members of the construction crew? So as to not have them suffer side-effects of this "Abyss Syndrome"? After all, when you stare into the abyss...
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Kal-L posted:Aboard UNS Cibola, 10,001km away from the Roanoke Jump Point 2 Formally requesting the stable jump point in Roanoke be named The Amigara Gate.
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Mister Bates posted:Formally requesting the stable jump point in Roanoke be named The Amigara Gate. And here I thought no one would get the reference 
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Kal-L posted:And here I thought no one would get the reference DRR DRR DRR...
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Sky Shadowing posted:After all, when you stare into the abyss... ....The MIND might talk to you.
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bgreman posted:Dr. Slaan completes his work vetting the "Albatross" missile prototype from Denel. Slaan certifies the missile for production, and then co-opts Dr. viewtyjoe's work on missile reloading technology. viewtyjoe is assigned to a new research project, modifying the levitated-pit nuclear warhead for space deployment and detonation. He complains that with only a single research lab available to him, he won't be able to make much progress on the project, estimating its completion as sometime in the early 2050s. Slaan, on the other hand, will be able to take credit for viewtyjoe's work early in 2036. I wouldn't be complaining about limited resources, at this point any lab work sure beats being on a ship sent to survey space rocks for eternity. Besides, everyone knows those first RP are where all the theoretical groundwork gets laid. Dr. Slaan is just doing the engineering for me. 
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You should grow a research bonus. Like. RIGHT NOW. e: Actually, I am going to make this an official operation. Operation FLIPDESK. Top secret. Whenever we get a good officer who upgrades something useless, or a useless officer upgrading something that would've been better on someone else, I post an image of a dude flipping a desk. viewtyjoe:  Might as well start with the original. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Greetings from a coffee shop with wifi! How about those aliens huh? To: UNS Endymion From: UNIN Re: EMISSARY Set course due stellar north and attempt to determine if detected by hostile sensors. If contacts move to follow, reduce speed by 250 kps per 5 seconds and recheck contact heading. If contacts halt pursuit, record all data, and then retreat to the jump point at 500 kps, maintaining station 10m km stellar true (on a heading to K2-A) from the rift locus. Report any alien contact and run under emission control. If contacts lost but last on heading to intercept, move immediately heading 270 for a distance of 100 million km, then proceed to the jump point at speed 500 kps and maintain station 10m km stellar true (on a heading to K2-A) from the rift locus. Report any alien contact and run under emission control. To: UNS Panner From: UNIN Re: EMISSARY Pick up the UNFRAD contact team, and shuttle them to UNS Alfred Nobel so they can begin first contact operations. Move to Callisto when finished.
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Gnooble posted:To: UNS Panner Somebody has to be the hero. 
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:I support alchenar usurping the responsibilities and powers of all other unec members Finally caught up with this amazing thread and I whole heartedly agree with this. Can't wait for Alchenar to assume the role of Supreme Councillor and possibly Space Emperor. Definitely got my vote. It's about time that the old guard will be hold responsible for their actions. Under our current leadership we've seen Titan being sold for a song, the loss of Mars and the constant concessions to Freds. Never mind the failed projects such as PROJECT ZEUS and other dead end ideas. The UN must face the reality we're living in - and a power bloc lead by Alchenar seems to be the only ones capable of that. Hegay fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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markus_cz posted:Somebody has to be the hero. Phew! Somebody else gets to die for freedom today.
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Can-O-Raid posted:Phew! Somebody else gets to die for freedom today. Eh, sorry to ruin your day, but it seems I have quoted outdated data:  You're in it with us!
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markus_cz posted:Eh, sorry to ruin your day, but it seems I have quoted outdated data: Welp, looks like I'm most likely gonna fry. At least I get a glamorous mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out strange new life and new civilizations, to be atomized where no man has ever been gone before.  E: At least put me in your roster of heroic and soon to be memorialized heroes! Constant Hamprince fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Can-O-Raid posted:Welp, looks like I'm most likely gonna fry. At least I get a glamorous mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out strange new life and new civilizations, to be atomized where no man has ever been gone before. People were already atomized there. You're just the sacrificial lamb that we're tossing out there to ensure that there really is no choice but wiping these Xenos bastards out.
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I'm only 30% through the LP at this point, but sign me up for Ground Forces, please! The Volunteer State volunteers for everything.
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RedTonic posted:I'm only 30% through the LP at this point, but sign me up for Ground Forces, please! The Volunteer State volunteers for everything. Any particular role or stat preference?
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Kommando posted:So, what does the endymindion do if the hoplites head directly for it, and catch it in Congratulations, you've found a smiley that I hate more than  .As to your question, I suppose they'd run for it and then probably do some screaming and then probably die. In that case, I'll bedazzle them a proper funeral memorial.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Congratulations, you've found a smiley that I hate more than We could probably surrender by having them abandon ship, in which case they would simply all be captured instead of dying when the ship explodes. That's bordering on cheesing the game mechanics, though, and there's no guarantee that the K2 xenos won't just leave the crew in their life pods to asphyxiate.
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