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Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


They did give you Houndour in Platinum, which is like the first time it's been available before the E4. So that's cool.

Fire types are pretty rare, I think, so 3 or 4 families (plus starters) is ok for a game. But yeah, D/P was pretty awful to fire type enthusiasts.

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Blaziken386
Jun 27, 2013

I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

W.T. Fits posted:

Darumaka available in the desert between Castelia and Nimbasa (between the third and fourth gyms, though you could get one before tackling the third gym if you wanted)
Litwick available in the Celestial Tower before the sixth gym


I used Darmanitan in Black, and used Chandelure in White 2.
Darmanitan was fun, but Chandelure is my favorite fire type. (Favorite ghost type too.)

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Nihilarian posted:

They did give you Houndour in Platinum, which is like the first time it's been available before the E4. So that's cool.

Fire types are pretty rare, I think, so 3 or 4 families (plus starters) is ok for a game. But yeah, D/P was pretty awful to fire type enthusiasts.
No, it's definitely not okay. You know what B2W2 did well, and why I'll defend this game to the bitter end despite the insanely lovely attempt at a plot and annoying rival? It was the first game in the history of Pokemon (five generations!) to allow me to do a full Fire run, something I'm pretty sure it's possible in XY too.

The one lesson Gamefreak learned and actually did not forget the immediate next game: variety is GOOD. Giving me lots of options also gives the game extreme replayability, I can just play again and use whatever other gimmicky team I could think of! B2W2 is great entirely because of that, so many choices. Of course, I'm expecting Chorocojo to once again show me the weirder, less used choices, since those seem to be his style (seriously, a Mawile before XY? Maractus? You are great, man).

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Blaze Dragon posted:

No, it's definitely not okay. You know what B2W2 did well, and why I'll defend this game to the bitter end despite the insanely lovely attempt at a plot and annoying rival? It was the first game in the history of Pokemon (five generations!) to allow me to do a full Fire run, something I'm pretty sure it's possible in XY too.

The one lesson Gamefreak learned and actually did not forget the immediate next game: variety is GOOD. Giving me lots of options also gives the game extreme replayability, I can just play again and use whatever other gimmicky team I could think of! B2W2 is great entirely because of that, so many choices. Of course, I'm expecting Chorocojo to once again show me the weirder, less used choices, since those seem to be his style (seriously, a Mawile before XY? Maractus? You are great, man).
Not everyone does monotypes. I never have, because I like variety.

Having 3-4 fire types to choose from if I don't want the starter is generally enough. It's perfectly "OK". Is more better? Yes. That doesn't mean 3-4 is bad.

StrifeHira
Nov 7, 2012

I'll remind you that I have a very large stick.
I really like the design of Roxie's gym. It's very simple but has good atmosphere, and just seems like what some punk rock band would throw together. No cannons or indoor swimming pools or haunted houses, just a cool little thing with a neat track.

Also Roxie's bass guitar is a Scolipede. I always thought that was a neat little touch.

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

StrifeHira posted:

Also Roxie's bass guitar is a Scolipede. I always thought that was a neat little touch.
...huh. I'll be damned. Annoying rival aside I like what I've seen so far. Which is good since I just found out I'll need a copy to transfer my old poo poo to Gen VI. Playing blind along with the LP could be fun! Too bad I can't draw for poo poo. :v:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

StrifeHira posted:

I really like the design of Roxie's gym. It's very simple but has good atmosphere, and just seems like what some punk rock band would throw together. No cannons or indoor swimming pools or haunted houses, just a cool little thing with a neat track.

Also Roxie's bass guitar is a Scolipede. I always thought that was a neat little touch.

The Virbank gym is really awesome, and so is Roxie. It goes back to my point that B2/W2 gets that bullshit gimmicky puzzles are not what we play Pokemon for. That's not to say they aren't excluded, but only when it fits with the Gym Leader.

Sadly, this is yet another thing that X/Y forgets...along with the Gym-remixes :sigh:

UmbreonMessiah
Nov 1, 2011

~Hey, I'm grump!~
I'm...yeah, I'm just a grump.

StrifeHira posted:

Also Roxie's bass guitar is a Scolipede. I always thought that was a neat little touch.

Oh no, what have they done to Zsa Zsa!? :gonk:

Poison is one of my favorite types, so I was really happy to see Roxie as the second Gym Leader. You bet your rear end I took one of those Koffings all the way to the end of the game, too!

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

UmbreonMessiah posted:

Oh no, what have they done to Zsa Zsa!? :gonk:
Don't worry, it's not Zsa Zsa.

At least, I sure as hell hope it's not her. :ohdear:

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

AradoBalanga posted:

Don't worry, it's not Zsa Zsa.

At least, I sure as hell hope it's not her. :ohdear:

Dragon Torch Poke-Wrestling posted:

DTPW is sad to announce that it has ended its relationship with Superstar Zsa Zsa. We wish Zsa Zsa the best in her future endeavors.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Do they ever explain where Lenora went?

Pyroi
Aug 17, 2013

gay elf noises

Sandwolf posted:

Do they ever explain where Lenora went?

I think she just retired to run the museum.

Attestant
Oct 23, 2012

Don't judge me.

Sandwolf posted:

Do they ever explain where Lenora went?

We'll probably find out once the LP actually reaches Nacrene city. I think it's post endgame in BW2.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Nihilarian posted:

No one really does.

Some people do like Magmar (which baffles me) but they seem even more critical of Magmortar's design.

Magmar looks boss ok :colbert:

I like ducks and I like fire monsters, it's a win-win design.

Also he has the coolest name: Magmar.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Dec 15, 2013

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot
I like Magmortar cause he shoots lava from his hands.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Rude Semprini posted:

Good reminder. Guess there were some if you were actually interested in them. I think I forgot them because I would only play through with a fire type if it was Litwick or Darumaka. Awesome pokemon, they are.

And you're right, Diamond/Pearl was far worse for it. I'm glad B/W 2 actually gives you a decent range to choose from early on.

They had to do the same thing for the Ice and Electric gyms at first. Which was really stupid because they didn't even get to use pokemon of the type that had gotten new evolutions in the game because Gamefreak had some really strange ideas about what should or should not be available before the elite four in that gen.

If you don't have enough pokemon of the type to make a full team, don't go making visible specialists when you have other options. Especially when you have a type that's never gotten a gym (poor, poor Dark types).

Siegkrow
Oct 11, 2013

Arguing about Lore for 5 years and counting



Kurtofan posted:

Magmar looks boss ok :colbert:

I like ducks and I like fire monsters, it's a win-win design.

Also he has the coolest name: Magmar.

Counterpoint: HIS FOREHEAD IS A BUTT.

KDavisJr
Jul 17, 2010

A real avatar never dies, even when it's replaced!
You can keep your butt head pokemon and his Mega Man boss evolution. I'll take Arcanine over them.

He's a fire dog. You can't go wrong with a fire dog.

Also Houndoom. Awesome name, and it's a Devil Dog!

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Literally every fire type from gen 1 is better than Magmar. Including Flareon.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Nihilarian posted:

Literally every fire type from gen 1 is better than Magmar. Including Flareon.

Hey, whoa now. Let's not go around saying things we'll regret.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Who What Now posted:

Hey, whoa now. Let's not go around saying things we'll regret.

Well, it looks nicer. Who cares about stats or movepool anyway.

AndwhatIseeisme
Mar 30, 2010

Being alive is pretty much a constant stream of embarrassment.
Fun Shoe

Gensuki posted:

Well, it looks nicer. Who cares about stats or movepool anyway.

The biggest problem with having a Flareon is that it means you didn't pick Jolteon.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

AndwhatIseeisme posted:

The biggest problem with having a Flareon is that it means you didn't pick Jolteon.

That's only a problem in games where you can't breed Pokemon pre-Elite Four.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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Roro posted:

That's only a problem in games where you can't breed Pokemon pre-Elite Four.

Or catch wild Eevees.

KDavisJr
Jul 17, 2010

A real avatar never dies, even when it's replaced!

Gensuki posted:

Well, it looks nicer. Who cares about stats or movepool anyway.

You'll care when it eats an Earthquake from Charizard.

But I would rather have a Flareon over Magmar.

OminousEdge
Apr 4, 2013

Who What Now posted:

Hey, whoa now. Let's not go around saying things we'll regret.

To be fair, Flareon has gotten better with X&Y since it now has Flare Blitz.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


In gen 1 Flareon had a special stat of 110, giving it a very hard hitting Fire Blast. Add that to it's monstrous Attack stat and some good normal type attacks, and it wasn't that bad. Of course, then the special split happened.

Chorocojo
Sep 25, 2005

Legendary Enchantment Creature -- Bird God
Considering I used a Flareon in the FireRed LP and my tendency towards using not-appreciated duders, all I'm hearing from this thread is to definitely use Magmar.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Chorocojo posted:

Considering I used a Flareon in the FireRed LP and my tendency towards using not-appreciated duders, all I'm hearing from this thread is to definitely use Magmar.

Magmortar if possible. Always best to let a pokemon reach their full potential

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

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Gensuki posted:

Magmortar if possible. Always best to let a pokemon reach their full potential
is it?
:wooper:


:colbert:

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Quagsire is exactly as happy as Wooper, and also has hands. You can't Hi-five a wooper. I've tried.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Gensuki posted:

Quagsire is exactly as happy as Wooper, and also has hands. You can't Hi-five a wooper. I've tried.
Also very messy.

Speaking of not-appreciated fire types, my favorite is Camerupt. I had one in Sapphire, named her Meriwether, and she done good. :3:

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Hey now, Flareon is a beast in his own right. I'm physically incapable of hearing a word against any Eeveelution.

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

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Gensuki posted:

Quagsire is exactly as happy as Wooper, and also has hands. You can't Hi-five a wooper. I've tried.
I guess I have to be a little more blunt in what I was trying to say

Rangpur
Dec 31, 2008

Man it's a goddamn upright platypus that is also made of plasma. A plasmapus. Y'all are just haters.

Magicpokey
Feb 16, 2011

Rangpur posted:

Man it's a goddamn upright platypus that is also made of plasma. A plasmapus. Y'all are just haters.

Plasmapus! I literally haven't laughed that hard in weeks. I applaud you, sir!

Spatula City
Oct 21, 2010

LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING
I've never used Magmar because I always end up getting the game that doesn't have it. But it always bothered me that it had a duck face and a butt head.

Adelheid
Mar 29, 2010

Magmar is great and I won't hear anything else, really. This is definitely not a statement borne from the cognitive dissonance of wanting an electabuzz but having Blue version.

Adelheid fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 16, 2013

KDavisJr
Jul 17, 2010

A real avatar never dies, even when it's replaced!

Gensuki posted:

Quagsire is exactly as happy as Wooper, and also has hands. You can't Hi-five a wooper. I've tried.

But Quaggy isn't as cute as Wooper.

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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
In Gold I wasted my Master Ball on Quagsire because I thought this was a super duper rare pokemon.

I regret nothing :colbert:

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