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Cheatum the Evil Midget
Sep 11, 2000
I COULDN'T BACK UP ANY OF MY ARGUEMENTS, IGNORE ME PLEASE.
Will be interesting to see cornucopia switch from Libya to Portland in terms of style

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Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:

Will be interesting to see cornucopia switch from Libya to Portland in terms of style
He could swoop in as a userper, and practically annexe it for the UN.
That is unless Calvin succumbs to the corrupting influence of a South american hedonistic drug empire.
He's already turned a barren rock into a thriving metropolis with extreme-sports and moonbears. He'll do it again.

Calvin, hero of the favelas.

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax
My people, it is with great pleasure I introduce you to your newly and justly elected President of the Republic of Cornucopia, Calvin Grant. While I will, of course, continue on in the office of Grand Principle of the Republic of Cornucopia, it is important to ensure that the machinery of democracy, invented and instituted for the first time beyond the wisps of space here on 2 Pallas, be oiled thought the injection of young, vibrant, energetic blood like that of our new citizen. Do not fear, people of Cornucopia, that this Calvin Grant once fostered crimes against both person and animal in his time breaking the subjects of Luna to the will of the Shadowy Unelected Despoty of the United Nations, for I too once came from that charnel pit, though granted having a resume of liberation and not one of subjugation, but I digress. No, accept this man as your rightful leader, subject to my overriding authority vested in me by the God of the Universe, and in my mysterious child by rights of genetics and tradition, and do as he suggests. With his pleasant leadership, we will surely achieve the greatness that the Almighty has Destined for Our Fair People.

And speaking of God, for God's sake if you see a half-cyborg that looks anything like Raw_Beef, don't tell it about any of this, because it would murder us all if it found out that the man he referred to as "towelboy" had taken up a leadership position of our fine republic.

I am, as always, your humble master,
The Office of the Grand Principle

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
What a fun adventure this'll be!

bgreman
Oct 8, 2005

ASK ME ABOUT STICKING WITH A YEARS-LONG LETS PLAY OF THE MOST COMPLICATED SPACE SIMULATION GAME INVENTED, PLAYING BOTH SIDES, AND SPENDING HOURS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE INTERNET STRANGERS ENJOY THEMSELVES
In case anyone's worrying, I don't intend on increasing the role of Cornucopia in the thread narrative anywhere beyond where it is right now. It's a neat independent factor but it's best as a background actor.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Coolguye posted:

What a fun adventure this'll be!

In order to get the real Cornucopia experience, you should make all major policy decisions while drunk, stoned, and buried under a pile of writhing bodies. For extra verisimilitude, bang out your orders to bgreman by slapping your one free hand against a keyboard. If you get anything more coherent than, "Why Pop Tarts? Why not Tart Pops?" try, try again.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Zeroisanumber posted:

In order to get the real Cornucopia experience, you should make all major policy decisions while drunk, stoned, and buried under a pile of writhing bodies. For extra verisimilitude, bang out your orders to bgreman by slapping your one free hand against a keyboard. If you get anything more coherent than, "Why Pop Tarts? Why not Tart Pops?" try, try again.

After writing the post, randomly highlight words and bold or italicise them. Hit post. Swear loudly.

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

Kommando posted:

After writing the post, randomly highlight words and bold or italicise them. Hit post. Swear loudly.

You only think it's random...

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

quote:

code:
Tribal class Destroyer Escort    2,400 tons     259 Crew     364 BP      TCS 48  TH 240  EM 0
5000 km/s     Armour 1-15     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 8
Maint Life 3.23 Years     MSP 95    AFR 46%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 14    5YR 206    Max Repair 84 MSP
Magazine 68    

Rolls Royce Ion Drive E9 (4)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 60    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 41.7 billion km   (96 days at full power)

ATK SML-1 Mk. 2 Point Defense Launch Tube (8)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 15
UN/SGM-23 Sprint Targeting Array (1)     Range 20.2m km    Resolution 1
BAE SIM-12 Sprint Anti-missile Missile (66)  Speed: 44,400 km/s   End: 0.7m    Range: 2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 148 / 88 / 44

Navigation Sensor (1)     GPS 1800     Range 16.6m km    Resolution 75

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

code:
BAE SIM-12 Sprint Anti-missile Missile
Missile Size: 1 MSP  (0.05 HS)     Warhead: 1    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 10
Speed: 44400 km/s    Endurance: 1 minutes   Range: 2.0m km
Cost Per Missile: 0.99
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 444%   3k km/s 140%   5k km/s 88.8%   10k km/s 44.4%
Materials Required:    0.25x Tritanium   0.49x Gallicite   Fuel x25
code:
Leander class Destroyer Leader    2,350 tons     228 Crew     436 BP      TCS 47  TH 240  EM 0
5106 km/s     Armour 1-15     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Life 1.59 Years     MSP 116    AFR 44%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 53    5YR 795    Max Repair 240 MSP

Rolls Royce Ion Drive E9 (4)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 60    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 42.6 billion km   (96 days at full power)

UN/SGY-16 Athena Advanced Warning Sensor  (1)     GPS 240     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1

What jumps out to me is the lack of armor and magazine space as well as the 75 resolution on the escorts sensor. Also the missile needs to use agility (assume at least 1 level better agility tech) as it does a much better job increasing to-hit than raw speed.

Finally if you look at our shipyards you can actually build them bigger than they are which is currently an awkward size of too big for oyr jump tenders but not taking full advantage of the possible tonnage.

Saros fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jan 15, 2014

Akratic Method
Mar 9, 2013

It's going to pay off eventually--I'm sure of it.

Any day now.

TildeATH posted:

You only think it's random...

But in fact it's actually arbitrary!

:spergin:

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Gnooble posted:

Fine designs, although I have a few notes. I especially like that you designed to 5000 kps, I like fast warships.

First, 1 armor - I know the goal is to not get hit, but I like to have at least 2 armor on warships - can't stop every warhead.
Second, the need for a separate ship for spotting - this is the number 1 thing I want to get away from in the Ion Fleet, having long range spotting ships are nice but having ships incapable of performing their primary mission without being paired with a specific sensor ship is a bad thing in my opinion. We'd be better off building a bigger ship, stripping the "Navigation Sensor" and fitting in the missile detection sensor.
Third, low magazine space - you've got 8 volleys there, that's a pretty low number. In case people have forgotten we're operating under house rules that make reloading of ships take a substantial amount of time rather than being instant (as is normal in Aurora), with only 8 volleys, these escorts would likely run dry before the enemy ships, leaving our fleet vulnerable. This is a problem shared with our current escorts. This is particularly a problem as you've designated 3 shots at each incoming volley - this means that after 3 enemy volleys we'd be back to relying solely on armor.

The missile itself looks good though.

edit: Product of a quick slapping together of another escort design. Larger, as our shipyards will be larger when these ships start construction. Smaller salvo size, but larger magazine space allowing it to stay in action longer. Also slightly shorter range - only 2 proposed volleys per enemy salvo.

code:
Tribal class Destroyer Escort    3,000 tons     282 Crew     488.8 BP      TCS 60  TH 300  EM 0
5000 km/s     Armour 2-18     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 6
Maint Life 2.32 Years     MSP 102    AFR 72%    IFR 1%    1YR 26    5YR 386    Max Repair 128 MSP
Magazine 126    

Ion Engine E9 (5)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 60    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 66.7 billion km   (154 days at full power)

Size 1 Missile Launcher (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 15
Missile Fire Control FC10-R1 (1)     Range 10.6m km    Resolution 1
Size 1 Anti-missile Missile (126)  Speed: 44,400 km/s   End: 0.7m    Range: 2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 148 / 88 / 44

Active Search Sensor MR10-R1 (1)     GPS 128     Range 10.2m km    Resolution 1

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

I had completely forgotten the house rule with regards to magazine reloads, that being the case I do heartily concur it really does need a much larger magazine. Regarding armour I do see your point, I always seem to forget the stuff when designing.

Playing around with an escort that can both fire at and detect incoming enemy missiles I do have to say that they get very large, very quickly. Indeed the only way I can see to get them both on the same ship at or under 3000 tons is to essentially halve the detection and fire range of both sensors as you've done above. Which is a sensible enough approach, but which does rather limit their effectiveness, especially with their relatively slow fire rate. I also suspect that in terms of raw tonnage a two ship system is more effective at getting a maximum number of AMMs on target against hostile missiles.

Saros posted:

What jumps out to me is the lack of armor and magazine space as well as the 75 resolution on the escorts sensor. Also the missile needs to use agility (assume at least 1 level better agility tech) as it does a much better job increasing to-hit than raw speed.

Finally if you look at our shipyards you can actually build them bigger than they are which is currently an awkward size of too big for oyr jump tenders but not taking full advantage of the possible tonnage.

For the missile agility I must plead tiredness, I'd forgotten to apply the changes of Ion missile drives to the rest of the spreadsheet I'm using to work out the best missile intercept rates.

As for the Navigation sensor, really I just chucked one on that would give a decent cross-section so that the ships wouldn't fly into things whilst navigating between squadron postings. Admittedly I haven't designed a ship in a while though so I'm not certain it gives the best coverage. I suppose dropping it down to 50 resolution might be better considering the average size of the enemy ships.

BwenGun fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jan 15, 2014

Aethernet
Jan 28, 2009

This is the Captain...

Our glorious political masters have, in their wisdom, decided to form an alliance with a rag-tag bunch of freedom fighters right when the Federation has us at a tactical disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this has resulted in the Feds firing on our vessels...

Damn you Huxley!

Grimey Drawer

BwenGun posted:

I had completely forgotten the house rule with regards to magazine reloads, that being the case I do heartily concur it really does need a much larger magazine. Regarding armour I do see your point, I always seem to forget the stuff when designing.

Aurora is practically designed to ensure that you forget stuff when designing. I remember far too many games in which the inability of my warships to actually fire baffled me until I realised I'd installed the wrong size of fire control.

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Aethernet posted:

Aurora is practically designed to ensure that you forget stuff when designing. I remember far too many games in which the inability of my warships to actually fire baffled me until I realised I'd installed the wrong size of fire control.

Oh how I do know that embarrassment! Nothing quite like building your brand new beam cruiser and finding out you forgot to put any reactors on the thing. :xd:


Anyway I went back to my ship drawing board this morning with all the advice given and here are the results. Sorry in advance if this is quite a long post, I got as bit engrossed.

code:
Tribal II class Destroyer Escort    3,000 tons     266 Crew     420.8 BP      TCS 60  TH 300  EM 0
5000 km/s     Armour 2-18     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 6
Maint Life 2.3 Years     MSP 88    AFR 72%    IFR 1%    1YR 23    5YR 339    Max Repair 84 MSP
Magazine 186    

Rolls Royce Ion Drive E9 (5)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 60    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 33.3 billion km   (77 days at full power)

ATK SML-1 Mk. 2 Point Defense Launch Tube (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 15
UN/SGM-23 Sprint Targeting Array (1)     Range 20.2m km    Resolution 1
BAE SIM-12A Sprint Anti-missile Missile (156)  Speed: 36,600 km/s   End: 0.9m    Range: 2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 158 / 95 / 47

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
Much larger magazine and two armour belts as opposed to one. This coming chiefly at the expense of the AMMs themselves which suffer a 25% reduction, which is a pain as it makes each Salvo not a guaranteed kill against a missile incoming at 30,000 km/s, though only by 0.05%, which is hopefully negligible.

Followed by the Leander

code:
Leander II class Cruiser    3,000 tons     268 Crew     510.2 BP      TCS 60  TH 300  EM 0
5000 km/s     Armour 3-18     Shields 0-0     Sensors 20/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Life 1.19 Years     MSP 106    AFR 72%    IFR 1%    1YR 76    5YR 1147    Max Repair 240 MSP

Rolls Royce Ion Drive E9 (5)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 60    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 33.3 billion km   (77 days at full power)

UN/SGY-16 Athena Advanced Warning Sensor  (1)     GPS 240     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH4-20 (1)     Sensitivity 20     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  20m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
With this design the principal addition is a third again as much armour as the Tribals, the aim being to try and make sure that the Leanders are less likely be knocked out of combat.

Now to this I have to add that I rather badly miscalculated the number of salvos the Tribals can get off against incoming enemy missile salvoes travelling at 30,000km/s. Instead of 3 it was, in point of fact, 4. Which means that each salvo of six Sprints a Tribal fires has a 0.95 chance to hit, so with four salvos fired before impact each Tribal can effectively deal with an estimated 3.8 incoming enemy missiles. Now assuming a squadron configuration of 6 Tribals, and 1 Leander, that means that they can handle an estimated 22.8 missiles at 30,000km/s.

The relevance of the above stems chiefly from the question as to whether we should aim to have both Active and Fire Control sensors on the same ships. Using Gnoobles all inclusive design there is only a chance to fire 2 salvos at an incoming wave of enemy missiles before they impact. A squadron of seven of those Tribals would only be able to shoot down 13.3 incoming enemy missiles compared to 22.8 for a similar tonnage of a mixed squadron.

Obviously that isn’t the whole story as the utility of the dual-purpose design is a lot higher, not to mention there’s less chance that a rogue missile will knock out the squadrons ability to even detect the incoming missiles. But personally I am still of the mind that separate ships are better for the time being. At least until we can increase ancillary techs in order to bring down the size of the sensors and also improve missile reload speed and agility.

Though to be honest I’d wait a bit longer so we can put together something like this:

code:
 County class Destroyer Escort    3,750 tons     350 Crew     691.2 BP      TCS 75  TH 378  EM 0
5040 km/s     Armour 2-21     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 6
Maint Life 1.2 Years     MSP 115    AFR 112%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 82    5YR 1234    Max Repair 240 MSP
Magazine 134    

Future Ion Engine E9.9 (6)    Power 63    Fuel Use 99%    Signature 63    Armour 0    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 24.2 billion km   (55 days at full power)

Future Size 1 Missile Launcher (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
Future Missile Fire Control FC19-R1 (1)     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1
BAE SIM-12B Sprint Anti-missile Missile (134)  Speed: 31,800 km/s   End: 1m    Range: 2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 180 / 108 / 54

Future Active Search Sensor MR19-R1 (1)     GPS 240     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s 
Which is a lot more well rounded, though at 3,750 tons it’s a big lad and has a tiny fuel capacity. The techs required for it are: Active Grav Sensor Strength 16, Missile Agility 32 per MSP, Missile Launcher Reload Rate 3, Power Efficiency -10, Magazine Efficiency 80%. Which have a combined RP cost of 14,000 RP, which is hefty. Though if I were to state an opinion I’d say that if we went with a two ship approach then just getting missile Reload Rate 3 and Active Grav Sensor Strength 16 would massively increase the ships effectiveness as it cuts about 25% of the sensor sizes; and the added rate of fire rapidly increases the number of hostile missiles that can be intercepted within the ships engagement radius.

As to the actual number crunching side of things the County is a lot more effective, each one being able to stop 6.5 missiles travelling at 30,000km/s prior to impact with a Squadron of six of them able to stop 45 hostile missiles for roughly the same tonnage as 6 of the Tribal IIs and Leander.

But that then has to measure up to new designs for the Tribal and Leander Pairing.

code:
Tribal IV class Destroyer Escort    3,000 tons     282 Crew     460.8 BP      TCS 60  TH 315  EM 0
5250 km/s     Armour 2-18     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 8
Maint Life 2.18 Years     MSP 96    AFR 72%    IFR 1%    1YR 27    5YR 405    Max Repair 80 MSP
Magazine 168    

Future Ion Engine E9.9 (5)    Power 63    Fuel Use 99%    Signature 63    Armour 0    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 60.6 billion km   (133 days at full power)

Future Size 1 Missile Launcher (8)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
Future Missile Fire Control FC19-R1 (1)     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1
BAE SIM-12B Sprint Anti-missile Missile (168)  Speed: 31,800 km/s   End: 1m    Range: 2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 180 / 108 / 54

Future Navigation Sensor MR5-R20 (1)     GPS 320     Range 5.7m km    Resolution 20

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
code:
Leander III class Destroyer Leader    3,000 tons     231 Crew     581.2 BP      TCS 60  TH 315  EM 0
5250 km/s     Armour 6-18     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Life 1.38 Years     MSP 121    AFR 72%    IFR 1%    1YR 69    5YR 1033    Max Repair 240 MSP

Future Ion Engine E9.9 (5)    Power 63    Fuel Use 99%    Signature 63    Armour 0    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 60.6 billion km   (133 days at full power)

Future Active Search Sensor MR19-R1 (1)     GPS 240     Range 19.2m km    Resolution 1

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The most obvious thing about this pairing is that the Tribal now has 25% more launchers and the Leander has an incredibly thick armour belt for its size making it far less likely to be knocked out in combat.

In terms of missile interception six Tribal IVs and a Leander III can stop 52 incoming hostile missiles prior to impact which is about a ten percent increase over the County class despite having 1500 less tonnage.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

Can you make clear what techs you are using for the ships its a little confusing what your original designs are using.
For some previous theorycrafting you can go back to around here in the thread.

I also sumarised the tech you will have available for the next gen redesign earlier so try use them in any designs.

quote:

Crucial ship tech for the next fleet generation:
-Ion drives
-Composite armor
-Em 8 and active 16
-Missile reload 2 or 3
-Small crew quarters
-Improved magazine tech (not super crucial but nice)

Missiles will have Warhead 4, Ion drives and at least agility 32, preferably the level after that (46?)

Saros fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jan 15, 2014

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Sorry I should have made that clearer.

For the Tribal and Leander's I to II I'm limiting myself to what we currently have plus:
Ion Drives
Ion Missile Drive
EM Sensor Sensitivity 8
Composite Armour
Levitated-Pit Implosion Warhead: Strength: 4 x MSP

Which are all already either researching or will doubtless be researched soon.

For the Tribal IV, Leander III and County I'm using the above plus:
Active Grav Sensor Strength 16
Missile Agility 32 per MSP
Missile Launcher Reload Rate 3
Power Efficiency - -10% Power Increase 5%, Exp 7%
Magazine Efficiency - 80%

The above was more a list of things I'd like, though looking at your list it seems to be mostly there, minus the Power Efficiency anyway and with added Small Crew Quarters.

bgreman
Oct 8, 2005

ASK ME ABOUT STICKING WITH A YEARS-LONG LETS PLAY OF THE MOST COMPLICATED SPACE SIMULATION GAME INVENTED, PLAYING BOTH SIDES, AND SPENDING HOURS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE INTERNET STRANGERS ENJOY THEMSELVES
Earth: UNSA Research Facility Guildford, 24th February 2036


While working as an assistant research manager on Dr. Rotekian's advanced warhead project, Dr. viewtyjoe is approached by members of a consortium of UN defense contractors (including Thales and Denel) about potential future contract awards and follow-on technologies.

Earth: Dragon's Teeth Beam Defense Base #003, 26th February 2036


CMDR AJ_Impy spends a week at the Void Command School, taking an introductory void command course and giving him the prerequisites required for further study of the topic and, eventually, a void command itself.

This will be the last update where I explicitly comment on these training rating increases. I feel like I've exhausted all the variations on "Advanced Leadership Academy" and "Void Command School" updates I've posted. Henceforth, training rating increases will be reported the same way as Fleet Movement Initiative Rating Increases.

UNS Shambhala: UNTJS 004 Survey Location #2, 29th February 2036


CMDR UrbicaMortis, CO of UNS Shambhala, reports that an analysis of the gravitational survey results from the #2 survey location has revealed the existence of a second jump point in UNTJS 004. The new point is ungated and located 1.91b km from UNTJS 004-A at a bearing of 75°. The discovery of a jump point other than the entry point prompts UNIN to provisionally name the system "Sonora."

Elsewhere, Dr. Eclectic Tastes hires a post-doc with significant expertise in ground-to-space logistics operations.

Earth: UNSA HQ, Geneva, 3rd March 2036


Dr. Eclectic Taste's new hire proves to be an even better resource than originally expected, with a deep understanding of ship component miniaturization in addition to her logistics background.

Civilian Construction
  • Beedi Transport and Trading
    • Sverdlov 31-class colony ship, 24th February 2036
    • Udaloy 31-class freighter, 26th February 2036
  • Yamamoto Marine
    • Ascendancy II-class colony ship SS Oscanium, 3rd March 2036

:siren::siren: UNEC Election - UNIN :siren::siren:

The candidacy period for the office of UNEC Councilor - United Nations Interplanetary Navy is now open. Interested parties have until 20th January 2014, 0:00 UTC to declare their candidacy and present their platform. The incumbent is Gnooble, who will require a 66% majority by another candidate in order to unseat.

Gnooble
Sep 29, 2010

Commander, make full speed to JP1 and activate your active sensor to keep watch for any unauthorized transits.


We should probably mark the Ascendancy-class and its sister ships as obsolete, our civilian lines should really be focused on the Mayflowers and Corks at this point.

But enough about that:



I am announcing my intention to seek another term as UN Director of Defense.

For the last year I have served as both Acting Director and then sitting councillor for UNIN and have made the focus of my administration the solution to the problems which plagued UNIN during the Mars Crisis and the Jump Point Incident. UNIN is now a concentrated, rearmed, and more powerful force than it ever has been in the past. I have also made it a priority to expand our defensive installations, to free up our fleet for mobile operations, and have submitted a production request to UNIEB to do so.



UN Cruiser Fleet undergoing a training exercise


In the last year, UNIN, UNCAO, and UNIEB have also undergone a massive Callistan expansion program, forming a true fleet base for the first time, and fulfilling the long ignored first phase of Project ZEUS. UNIN and UNFRAD have worked together to form a coherent plan for dealing with the Federation and Cornucopia, and with UNSA's input has begun preparations for dealing with our non-human neighbors in Klondike-Kagayan and Thebes, peacefully if possible, but with force if necessary.



Without an atmosphere to mask the glow, Mimir and the outlying mining bases of CONSOL cause Callisto to shine like a jewel


In re-elected, I will continue my policies of creating a concentrated and effective UNIN as we enter the Ion Era, designing new line vessels and support craft that will allow us to stand on firmly equal footing with the Federation, and defend our growing extra-solar empire. Under my leadership, UNIN will continue to rely on superior missile based offensive strategies, while developing small escort craft to incorporate railguns and turreted mesons into defensive roles alongside the anti-missiles we currently use.

I will continue my policy of updating our colonial defenses so that we can effectively protect our holdings without the need to pin our fleet into place.

I will also work with UNFRAD and UNCAO to expand our neutral nation diplomacy program, and integrate new extra-solar colonies into the United Nations. I am also in support of Councillor Aethernet's proposals to expand our mining industry, of attempting peaceful relations with sapient species we may encounter in our explorations, and expanding peaceful relations with the Federation while retaining the right to defend our sovereign territory through the use of force.

Thank you for your support.

VOTE GNOOBLE FOR UNIN 2036





All images courtesy of Google Image search

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Gnooble posted:

All images courtesy of Google Image search

I like to imagine this disclaimer as part of the IC message. Like some intern whipped it up for you at the last minute and didn't have the time to get any actual publicity material to include. :v:

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

FredMSloniker posted:

I like to imagine this disclaimer as part of the IC message. Like some intern whipped it up for you at the last minute and didn't have the time to get any actual publicity material to include. :v:

isnt this what interns are for?

Also, retasking ships to get promo shots for an election is a waste of resources when we have alie... exploration to do.

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 16, 2014

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

Kommando posted:

isnt this what interns are for?

In Soviet Cornucopia, intern fucks you.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

TildeATH posted:


In Soviet Cornucopia, intern fucks you.


So you did get that paternity test for your child after all.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
I'll be posting as President of Cornucopia fairly soon - BG is in the process of preparing some of the nerdy data that I thrive on. After I have something resembling a coherent plan for my first year or two I'll post a speech outlining it.

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

Your speech might get drowned out by headlines on Cornys favorite mystery baby and the Moose Count.



https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwvAw3Irz93PYUNQaERNRDc4Snc/edit?usp=sharing

edit: i just read the automatically added moose count lorem ipsum... serious business for the UN too.

Negative Entropy fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jan 16, 2014

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!
That is quality.

Dr. Snark
Oct 15, 2012

I'M SORRY, OK!? I admit I've made some mistakes, and Jones has clearly paid for them.
...
But ma'am! Jones' only crime was looking at the wrong files!
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I beg of you, don't ship away Jones, he has a wife and kids!

-United Nations Intelligence Service

Please make more of those in the future. That page is amazing.

Readingaccount
Jan 6, 2013

Law of the jungle
Respect, Kommando

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

Kommando posted:

Your speech might get drowned out by headlines on Cornys favorite mystery baby and the Moose Count.



https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwvAw3Irz93PYUNQaERNRDc4Snc/edit?usp=sharing

edit: i just read the automatically added moose count lorem ipsum... serious business for the UN too.

FROM: Grand Principle and Noted Space Giraffe Safari Leader TildeATH
TO: The Tabloid Filth That Passes for News in the United Nations
SUBJECT: Your sickening puritanical fascism


Now that I have the leisure to focus on my low-gravity tangerine orchard, catch up on season 3 of Murderball, and find the elusive albino space giraffe, I'm dismayed that I need to take the time to respond to what is most obviously the saddest form of patently absurd libel I have ever had the misfortune to read. While I understand that the sex-positive culture of Cornucopia offends the sad little patriarchs of the Unelected Council of Shadowy Despots and their vast herd of sheep, I find the notion that just because one had copious relations with copious interns would mean that one's child must therefore have resulted from such relations to be so low-brow as to imply a chemical lobotomy. This kind of 20th century thought, which dominates the United Nations in so much of their political, cultural, and social discourse, is truly a sad reminder of the decadent backwardness of your state. Yes, there is much of what you scorn to be "free love" on 2 Pallas, and the recreational use of drugs the kind your grandparents once toyed with legalizing, but that does not mean we are thus birthing unwashed mewling brats in the stables or dazed in the opium dens your Orientalist kind love to imagine. Yes, we have extensive and legal prostitution, but numerous double-blind studies have found that the sex workers of all genders in the 2 Pallas brothels have a higher psychological health profile and general satisfaction with their work than the average UN citizen.

Shame. Shame on you.

Critic of the Dawn
Jun 5, 2011

Critic of the Dawn used Whine at the GM.
You gain a level!
Commander's Log, Stardate 3rd March 2036

What an interesting little social experiment the last month has turned out to be.

The abysmal performance of the crew assigned to Dragon's Teeth St. Vincent clearly demanded action, and since ordinary punishments seem to be off the table due to the politically connected nature of my subordinates... Well, I took things in an unusual direction. Lieutenant Daniels confronted me right away when he learned of my plans, just as a good first officer should. 'Cruel and unusual punishment is prohibited by the UN Charter,' he warned. 'Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures,' I countered.

Besides. My solution wasn't cruel. Isn't cruel. Unusual I'll give you, but not really cruel. Per se.

All I've done is to cancel all leave and liberty, and to begin an... extensive... series of unannounced drills.

I may have accidentally implied in passing that the newly discovered Thebes Xenos annihilated our scouting party in Hakahaka, and I suppose I didn't exactly squash the rumors that the Thebes Xenos' Giza class Dreadnought was accompanied by a pair of Federation Skories. So, I suppose my crew may have somehow gotten the idea that we are suddenly in a shooting war with Fred and Ramses, and that Ramses is trying to install Fred's leadership as the official viceroys of Sol.

And that their friends and family members outside of the inner solar system have all been put down like rabid space dogs.

On the positive side, accuracy and time to fire scores are way up, and after a month are now nearly average.

Keeping this a secret from the crew has proven... difficult. Naturally I've had to channel all communications through my office and have limited communications to (heavily censored) text only. I've also closed all of the blast-shields and suspended resupply orders for the time being - we have enough spam and cream of wheat stocked to last for a good 2 more months, although we're down to our last dozen bananas.

Different crewmembers have handled these situations differently. Ensign Perkins, who runs our Engineering detail, actually confronted me after only 3 days. Apparently she and her team noticed that the power being drawn from the reactor wasn't actually being routed into the capacitors to charge our Meson turrets. She's a clever one, and actually figured out what I was doing just from that. I had no choice but to admit that she was correct and that I admired her ingenuity.

After that, the rumors about what was going on really took off, apparently fanned by Perkins and her team. In exchange for her cooperation, I agreed to look the other way when they built a still in the maintenance crawlspace beneath the Bechtel reactor a week into this experiment on the condition that officers on duty would not be allowed to partake of their products. Perkins' position as alcohol distributor and spreader of unofficial information has made her extremely popular among the crew, and she's been doing a good job of applying that popularity to the betterment of the base. She has real leadership talent - I can already tell she'll go further in her career than the rest of the crew here.

Anyway, I have to go. I have a meeting with Lieutenant Daniels to discuss the future of this project. I expect he'll be asking me to bring it to a close again, but I don't think it's quite time for that yet. No, we can at least get our numbers up to the UNIN average first. Besides, the crew are not going to be happy when they find out that this is all a simulation. Maybe I should invite Perkins to the meeting and we can discuss how best to bring matters to a satisfactory close without getting lynched by angry crewmen...

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

TildeATH posted:

FROM: Grand Principle and Noted Space Giraffe Safari Leader TildeATH
TO: The Tabloid Filth That Passes for News in the United Nations
SUBJECT: Your sickening puritanical fascism


Now that I have the leisure to focus on my low-gravity tangerine orchard, catch up on season 3 of Murderball, and find the elusive albino space giraffe, I'm dismayed that I need to take the time to respond to what is most obviously the saddest form of patently absurd libel I have ever had the misfortune to read. While I understand that the sex-positive culture of Cornucopia offends the sad little patriarchs of the Unelected Council of Shadowy Despots and their vast herd of sheep, I find the notion that just because one had copious relations with copious interns would mean that one's child must therefore have resulted from such relations to be so low-brow as to imply a chemical lobotomy. This kind of 20th century thought, which dominates the United Nations in so much of their political, cultural, and social discourse, is truly a sad reminder of the decadent backwardness of your state. Yes, there is much of what you scorn to be "free love" on 2 Pallas, and the recreational use of drugs the kind your grandparents once toyed with legalizing, but that does not mean we are thus birthing unwashed mewling brats in the stables or dazed in the opium dens your Orientalist kind love to imagine. Yes, we have extensive and legal prostitution, but numerous double-blind studies have found that the sex workers of all genders in the 2 Pallas brothels have a higher psychological health profile and general satisfaction with their work than the average UN citizen.

Shame. Shame on you.

I can't believe I've been reading these for as long as Corny has been a thing and I just now realized this is supposed to be an emulation of William Shatner's speaking style. I'm going to go back and read them all in the voice of Shatner imitating a woman.

Plek
Jul 30, 2009
I've been sorta using the voice of El Presidente from Tropico. Seemed to fit.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I've always heard Tilde's voice as Famke Jassen's from Goldeneye, except less psychotic and more sybarite. One of those people that you're fairly certain would open the box from Hellraiser just because everything else had gotten boring.

markus_cz
May 10, 2009

Shall we send someone to look into the new jump point? We'd need to send UNS Alan Turing to serve as a tender, but it would have to abandon it's current post at the Hakahaka-UNTJS004 jump point, meaning we'll lose all communication. This seems bad but apparently we have no other way to do this, since we only have four tenders and they are all on station ATM. Exploring any further will always mean cutting communications somewhere.

EDIT:

bgreman posted:

The discovery of a jump point other than the entry point prompts UNIN to provisionally name the system "Sonora."

UNCAO, I suggest changing the name slightly to "New Sonora" or "Nueva Sonora", to distinguish it both from the Earth-based Sonora and from all the other inevitable systems with short one-word names.

markus_cz fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jan 16, 2014

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

BwenGun posted:

Spaceships

Well I do like your designs, keep up the good work! Can I ask what % of hullspace you are assigning to engines to get those speeds in excess of 5Kkps?

Also for whatever ship we ending out cramming a massive AMM sensor onto it can be pretty big (maybe 4kt+ ?) as we will likely use the Mistubishi Military yard (1 slipway so it expands quite fast) and only produce a few of them, this will hopefully let us put at least some tubes on them. Most likely we will use BC void for the actual point defense ships so you can likely get them out to 3500T at least. I would really like a to see a third armor layer as well as whatever else can be fit on with the increased size.

[e] Rotekian has a 20% bonus!!! :toot: :science: I can finally research missile stuff at a decent pace!



New Research Orders (also added to standing orders on the wiki)

After the completion of PROJECT SPRINTER the resources and Scientist assigned to that are to research first Military Ion engines (0.9 Fuel efficency and 75% thermal reduction) then Standard Civilian (0.9 fuel effiency, no thermal reduction.) After this Rotenkian is to recieve 19 labs from project sprinter to complete his warhead research. 14 labs are to be given to MagicBoots for the Composite armor research project. 1 Lab is to remain with Eumenides and he is to resume research on small crew quarters.

Saros fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jan 16, 2014

Gnooble
Sep 29, 2010

Commander, make full speed to JP1 and activate your active sensor to keep watch for any unauthorized transits.
From: Head of BuShips, Simon Waverly
To: UN Defense Contractors, Ship Design Board, UNSA, UNRL, UNIN Survey Officers
Subject: Next Generation Survey Vessel


As we approach the completion of the first prototype Sorium-fed Ion Engine and prepare for void certification of a final engine, BuShips is now accepting proposals for a next-generation survey vessel for construction at the Oceania Shipyard complex. The following design specifications are in effect:

2250 ton maximum
Minimum of 60 billion km range, longer range and maintenance time preferable.
Capable of surveying both gravitic anomalies and geological formations.

Uses a Fuel Efficiency 0.9, 75% Baffled Hypothetical Ion Engine and High Density Duranium armor.

Rotekian
Jan 1, 2013
From: Rotekian, Kinetics Research Lead
To: Head of BuShips, Simon Waverly
Subject: Re: Next Generation Survey Vessel


I found some time to put together these designs, I hope they will provide a good overview of some of the trade-offs required.

The Pacemaker represents a scouting vessel designed for speed. Low maintenance life does limit overall utility however. Re-use of the outdated Condor Search Sensor keeps costs down, while providing decent sensor range.

code:
Pacemaker class Survey Ship    2,250 tons     197 Crew     479.6 BP      TCS 45  TH 180  EM 0
5333 km/s     Armour 2-15     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/1/1     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Maint Life 3.17 Years     MSP 133    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 20    5YR 299    Max Repair 100 MSP

Baffled Hypothetical Ion Engine (4)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 45    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 88.9 billion km   (192 days at full power)

UN/SGS-12 Condor Search Sensor (1)     GPS 4675     Range 22.3m km    Resolution 110
Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
During design the lack of an up to date search sensor for smaller vessels was discovered. I've put together a design that takes advantage of the latest breakthroughs in UN sensor technology to miniaturize the Condor.

code:
UN/SGS-P California Condor Search Sensor
Active Sensor Strength: 36   Sensitivity Modifier: 60%
Sensor Size: 3 HS    Sensor HTK: 1
Resolution: 110    Maximum Range vs 5500 ton object (or larger): 22,650,000 km
Range vs 1000 ton object: 748,760 km
Range vs 250 ton object: 46,798 km
Chance of destruction by electronic damage: 100%
Cost: 36    Crew: 15
Materials Required: 9x Duranium  27x Uridium

Development Cost for Project: 360RP
The Marathon uses the extra space provided by the updated sensor to create a more rounded vessel. Some speed was sacrificed as well, but the increase in maintenance life and improved survey speed more than make up for this.

code:
Marathon class Survey Ship    2,200 tons     201 Crew     545 BP      TCS 44  TH 135  EM 0
4090 km/s     Armour 2-15     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/2/1     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 0
Maint Life 7.08 Years     MSP 310    AFR 19%    IFR 0.3%    1YR 11    5YR 162    Max Repair 100 MSP

Baffled Hypothetical Ion Engine (3)    Power 60    Fuel Use 90%    Signature 45    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres    Range 90.9 billion km   (257 days at full power)

UN/SGS-P California Condor Search Sensor (1)     GPS 3960     Range 22.7m km    Resolution 110
Gravitational Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!

I feel like more use would be gotten out of an Em or thermal passive rather than an active sensor.

BwenGun
Dec 1, 2013

Saros posted:

Well I do like your designs, keep up the good work! Can I ask what % of hullspace you are assigning to engines to get those speeds in excess of 5Kkps?

Also for whatever ship we ending out cramming a massive AMM sensor onto it can be pretty big (maybe 4kt+ ?) as we will likely use the Mistubishi Military yard (1 slipway so it expands quite fast) and only produce a few of them, this will hopefully let us put at least some tubes on them. Most likely we will use BC void for the actual point defense ships so you can likely get them out to 3500T at least. I would really like a to see a third armor layer as well as whatever else can be fit on with the increased size.

Thanks! And it hovers around 42% of the total hull space. Which is a lot, but it does provide us with a very fast fleet, which if we're schlepping it to Roanoke and back frequently will be a plus. Personally I'd happily go down to a speed of 4-4,500kmps as it will free up 5-9% of the hull space, but that's really for the Director of the Navy to make a decision on.

If we wanted to we could probably produce a dedicated 5,000kt military sensor ship with both an Anti-missile Sensor and an Long Range Ship Sensor, we could probably also fit on some rather effective passive sensors as well to allow it to lurk with its taskgroup. Though that does make the problems arising from its destruction much, much worse.

Whilst we're talking about expanding the size of the escorts though, a thought occurs to me. Would the use of cargo handling systems in both our fleet Coliers and actual ships speed up the reload process, and if so would it make much of a difference?


Saros posted:

I feel like more use would be gotten out of an Em or thermal passive rather than an active sensor.

I agree, plus having the only sensor on a survey ship be an active one is just asking for an alien to blow them the hell up.

Raw_Beef
Jul 2, 2004

We know what you been up to and my advice on that little venture is to pack it in. It won't work. It will all end in tears.
2 Pallas maximum security detention bloc level C

The door to Raw_Beef's isolation cell opened, flooding the oversized compartment with artificial light. It only took several nanoseconds for his optical augments to cycle back to normal, but the new experience was unpleasant.

"She'arapristbir Raw_Beef, are you in there?" a voice called out from the doorway, followed quickly by a man holding a flashlight and pistol. He stopped suddenly as his light fell on the massvie form restrained in the center of the cell.

"So it is true, they did fuse man with machine." the man said, a tremor of fear in his voice. "Can you hear me?" he asked the prisoner.

Raw_Beef had learned some time ago that he no longer possessed a voice. He suspected surgical removal of his vocal chords. A stiff nod was his only reply, the slight whirr-click of servomotors audible in the silent chamber.

"Excellent. I have been sent here to facilitate your escape. You are unaware I'm sure, but there is a political transition currently underway here on 2 Pallas. This represents the best possible oppertunity to move a such a large contriband as yourself off of the asteroid. Your friends have made the arrangements and a transport is currently waiting. Will you come with us?"

There was another robitic nod, and the mechanical restraints clicked free. The hulking figure rose to its feet, standing a solid 7 feet tall.
Raw_Beef gave his liberator a short bow, and gestured with a massive robotic arm for him to lead on.

The man showed obvious relief at the monster's lack of hostility.
"I guess i forgot to say where we're headed." he began nervously as the strange pair walked down the empty corridor. "They need you back on Mars."

bgreman
Oct 8, 2005

ASK ME ABOUT STICKING WITH A YEARS-LONG LETS PLAY OF THE MOST COMPLICATED SPACE SIMULATION GAME INVENTED, PLAYING BOTH SIDES, AND SPENDING HOURS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE INTERNET STRANGERS ENJOY THEMSELVES
UNS Bohol: 500,000km from the Hakahaka-Thebes JP, 4th March 2036, 8:42 UTC


The sensor officer on UNS Bohol snaps alert when a contact alarm is triggered by the "Jove" active sensor the ship carries. "Sir!" the sensor tech calls out, "Giza-class contact, directly on the jump point!"

As CMDR yinette relays this along to 1st Fleet HQ and the Turing-class jump tender sitting on the Hakahaka-Sonora jump point. Conditional orders are put into effect, directing the survey vessels in Sonora to evacuate the system and head for Roanoke, rather than be potentially marooned in Sonora. It will take fifteen days to get all three vessels (UNS Boomtown, UNS Cibola, and UNS Shambhala) out of the system.





On Earth, UNRL reports that with the opening of a free trade agreement with the Federation, the majority of UN civilian cargo vessels have decided that shipping privately-produced infrastructure from Earth to Mars is more lucrative than shipping the infrastructure to Callisto. As a result, the recent rapid growth of Callisto has stalled, while the Federation colony on Mars is expanding at a dramatic rate.

Essentially, the same issue that forces you to colonize one body at a time up to 25m is in effect here: the Mars colony is more recent than the Callisto colony, so ships prefer to ship infra there. The only ways to fix this are to open Tranquility back up for colonization, which will likely leech Federation freighters into delivering infra there, or to close trade again. Until a decision is made, I've temporarily closed trade.

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Readingaccount
Jan 6, 2013

Law of the jungle

quote:

On Earth, UNRL reports that with the opening of a free trade agreement with the Federation, the majority of UN civilian cargo vessels have decided that shipping privately-produced infrastructure from Earth to Mars is more lucrative than shipping the infrastructure to Callisto. As a result, the recent rapid growth of Callisto has stalled, while the Federation colony on Mars is expanding at a dramatic rate.

Muahahahaha!

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