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fullroundaction posted:Legba was surprised though. If Axeman had already done a deal with him he wouldn't have been all "hey wait a sec you HAVE no soul!". I mean Papa Legba is basically just an intermediary between the spirit world and the corporeal world. Maybe there's not really just one of him. I'm picturing a whole office of Papa Legbas, sitting in cubicles, talking by the water cooler, filling up their cocaine mugs, and filing claims against customers for the souls of innocents. The Papa Legba the Axeman made a deal with might be one of the other drones who didn't properly file a report.
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fullroundaction posted:Legba was surprised though. If Axeman had already done a deal with him he wouldn't have been all "hey wait a sec you HAVE no soul!". I imagine if he did some dirty deal with Axeman he wouldn't go to Fiona and spill it all to her. He's just a more convincing actor than Madison.
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wordsauce posted:Jessica Lange looked awful. Fiona looks like she's en route to starring as RiffRaff in a local production of Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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Dienes posted:Was this hinted at somewhere and I missed it, or are you better at story telling than the writers of the show? Flattered, but no. I came to that conclusion because there would be no other reason for Papa Legba to be in Axeman/Fiona's afterlife. (And to look so amused about it) The idea is that sometime before Fiona tried to summon Papa Legba, Axeman made a deal with him. It was most likely something cliched like he wanted her, body and soul or something. Fiona then is denied trading her soul for immorality because her soul is already involved in Axeman's thing, and Papa Legba seems fairly obsessed with rules. So he gets Axeman's soul as well as Fiona's and manages to Monkey Paw him by making his dream scenario into a nightmare wherein his lover doesn't even know what's going on every day.
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ultramiraculous posted:I mean Papa Legba is basically just an intermediary between the spirit world and the corporeal world. Maybe there's not really just one of him. I'm picturing a whole office of Papa Legbas, sitting in cubicles, talking by the water cooler, filling up their cocaine mugs, and filing claims against customers for the souls of innocents. The Papa Legba the Axeman made a deal with might be one of the other drones who didn't properly file a report. If this is the plot of season 4, all is forgiven.
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P_T_S posted:Flattered, but no. I came to that conclusion because there would be no other reason for Papa Legba to be in Axeman/Fiona's afterlife. (And to look so amused about it) The idea is that sometime before Fiona tried to summon Papa Legba, Axeman made a deal with him. It was most likely something cliched like he wanted her, body and soul or something. Fiona then is denied trading her soul for immorality because her soul is already involved in Axeman's thing, and Papa Legba seems fairly obsessed with rules. So he gets Axeman's soul as well as Fiona's and manages to Monkey Paw him by making his dream scenario into a nightmare wherein his lover doesn't even know what's going on every day. As much as I like this explanation, I don't see any reason for Legba to not be in Fiona's hell. Queenie went to hers specifically to speak with him, and he claimed that Hell was his domain. Why shouldn't be be everywhere?
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All in all I am really mad at the happy ending of witches coming out and lots of young, nubile 18-year-old girls showing up on their doorstep so that Cordelia finally gets her self-esteem and more children then she could ever want - so happy! Nobody wanted that ending. I think the best ending after that mess of a season would have been realizing none of them were the Supreme and that the coven was doomed. Maybe the Supremes of the past could be the ones stabbing and torturing them for all eternity for being such stupid fuckups. What happened to Tate and Spaulding? I remember Spaulding saying he was the help, then it cut to commercial, and who knows, maybe I dozed off.
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hepscat posted:All in all I am really mad at the happy ending of witches coming out and lots of young, nubile 18-year-old girls showing up on their doorstep so that Cordelia finally gets her self-esteem and more children then she could ever want - so happy! Nobody wanted that ending. Spalding now possesses the body of Tate. When he's not in !Tate mode, he's in pure Spalding AD/BL Sissykiss tumblr mode. He also keeps his black baby upstairs and will make it the new minotaur. (Was the baby Denis O'Hare's real baby?) e: Not the popular notion but I liked the show and the ending to an extent. I'd like it if the ending was more 'Nancy Grace interviews the coven' because that sort of crazy would fit. It did fit the bill of being humorous though so v  vAlso, anyone who likens this to Dexter's final season did not see Dexter's final season. Don't say things you can't take back. Postal Parcel fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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I knew Dexter would be terrible I thought Coven would be really good, so in that sense it's actually worse.
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Postal Parcel posted:Also, anyone who likens this to Dexter's final season did not see Dexter's final season. Don't say things you can't take back. I think Coven's more disappointing than bad. There are so many ways it could have been an excellent season of television, but then it just...wasn't. It has all the pieces -- great actors, a solid original idea, interesting direction -- but it falls apart like a house of cards more often than not because the writing is so lazy.
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If they only finished filming a fortnight ago then they also only wrote it a few weeks ago. They phoned that poo poo in.
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Postal Parcel posted:e: I would have loved the ending if in the last scene, it had cut to a few months after the interview, shown the coven house in flames, the young witches trying to escape, and a huge angry mob of intolerant non-magic people charging the house and murdering the poo poo out of survivors. TheBizzness posted:I knew Dexter would be terrible I thought Coven would be really good, so in that sense it's actually worse. I don't know how high you must have built the first two seasons of this show up in your head that you thought that the disappointment from this season was worse than the difference in quality between the promise of Dexter's original concept and where it ended up. Dexter was always founded in the idea that one day, he would have to atone for what he did, and the finale delivered exactly none of that. It delivered him getting in a boat and going to Alaska and chopping down trees. This season, from the first episode, had Zoey monologuing and stupid catfights and minotaurs and Ryan Murphy's fascination with non-consensual sex right up front and center. This was never going to be Asylum or Murder House, just by the nature of how the show is structured, but it didn't lie to us like Dexter did. E: vvvvvvv yeah I should probably spoiler that, no matter how bad it was. sorry/you're welcome. v v
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quote:The only thing separating this season from Dexter is the acting. I feel the worst for Kathy Bates, to be honest. She did such a great job playing a character that totally imploded into a massive waste of time. I still hate how they took what started as a kind of redemption story with a believable genesis (being locked in a box for hundreds of years), then just said "gently caress it, EVIL!" I really did like the idea that they could take the worst person in the entire world and try to redeem them through fighting their ignorance and just dropping that poo poo pissed me off. It was also far less ham fisted than the "Get it? Witches are totally like gay people!" interview ending. How could anyone look at that and go "Man, that's clever?" and not "Man, are we REALLY making one last rip-off of the X-Men on the way out?" EDIT: I really can't decide if AHS Season 3 or Heroes Season 3 was more incoherent. AHS certainly had the better (overall, with a few exceptions) acting, but both had character motivations determined by dart board throws every episode. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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I'm going to have to re-watch the last season of Six Feet Under to get more Frances Conroy and Kathy Bates. (and James Cromwell!)
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Postal Parcel posted:Spalding now possesses the body of Tate. When he's not in !Tate mode, he's in pure Spalding AD/BL Sissykiss tumblr mode. I'm surprised they didn't show him pretending to bury Madison's body and then cutting back to her being his RealDoll again… I don't really see why they didn't do that.
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So y'all think Heaven is having the girl you are crazy about wake up every morning freaking out about having to spend eternity with you. Yeah that sounds like a great deal. He said during that scene he was tired of fighting. So you can assume he isn't happy with the situation.
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DangerZoneDelux posted:So y'all think Heaven is having the girl you are crazy about wake up every morning freaking out about having to spend eternity with you. Yeah that sounds like a great deal. He said during that scene he was tired of fighting. So you can assume he isn't happy with the situation. I am surprised nobody's ever ripped off the concept from Greek mythology about the Elysium fields, where it's a lot like an afterlife heaven but you can't remember anything for very long so eternity never gets painful. It's kind of horrifying and logical at the same time.
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Here's some spoiler-y details about season 4 & 5: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/30/american-horror-story-season-5_n_4694537.html How much do you want to bet that S5 is going to be a futuristic, cyberpunk type of setting? Either that or during the Revolutionary War or somesuch
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Captain Mog posted:Here's some spoiler-y details about season 4 & 5: The funniest part is I suggested that an American future / Cyberpunk setting could be kind of cool and keeping with the uniquely American theme, and literally got called the "worst TV IV poster" because of it. So that's kind of hilarious if that actually happens. EDIT: Speaking of American themes, why did everyone on the show act like witches just weren't a thing before Salem? I know they keep bringing up Salem because it being apart of America's history, but come on; the "Salem witches" have clearly been around for much longer than that, haven't they? Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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While I'd love a sci-fi cyberpunk or creature feature or whatever season, there's nothing in the article to support that, it's just denials and other negative statements.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I feel the worst for Kathy Bates, to be honest. She did such a great job playing a character that totally imploded into a massive waste of time.
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Taliaquin posted:She said in an interview way back before the last half was written that she was hoping for a redemption arc for Delphine. So I guess the writers tried for five minutes then forgot. Or something. Given how sympathetically she played her until the very end, I could see that. She probably is more than a little burned by being railroaded like that. Such an unfortunate way to throw away SO much potential. PS: Did anyone love how Spalding loved Fiona so much he'd cut his own tongue out for her, but then gave not one poo poo about the Axeman taking her, or about helping her in the entire last third of the show? Even though he was still talking about saving the Coven, it's obvious all he wanted was to steal that baby.. which never got referenced again either. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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If they're shooting in Santa Fe (unless Ryan Murphy's just talking poo poo), and the Santa Fe portion is set in the 1950s, I'd gamble on it being a season of atomic horror. Maybe they'll have nineteenth century flashbacks or they'll do a Asylum style detour to the present, but if Jessica Lange is speaking German and New Mexico in the 50s is the setting I'd put money on atomic horror. I'm really unhappy about the apparent devotion to keeping things tonally like Coven. Because Coven was a loving waste.
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haveblue posted:The tone wasn't the problem, everything else was the problem. The tone where every horrible thing didn't make any impact on anyone?
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haveblue posted:The tone wasn't the problem, everything else was the problem. I'd argue that the tone probably contributed to how (poorly) they wrote the season. If they're using the more comedic bent in tone as an excuse to just make poo poo up as they go because "who cares, it's comedy!" then following that same path into the next season probably won't bode well. Or at the very least, Ryan Murphy tends to interpret 'comedy' as 'I don't need to build and follow any rules to this universe as long as I make fun of it in a fit of meta-commentary later!' (See: Spalding and LaLaurie's disappearances where no one actually cared but would occasionally go "where the hell did the drat help go?"; See also: the entirety of Glee)
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Mexcillent posted:The tone where every horrible thing didn't make any impact on anyone? I think it could have preserved its tone and still had a plot and characters that made sense. Or at the very least, some kind of internal consistency for the "rules" of the show's world.
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I would be really disappointed in how the finale wrapped things up if there was actually any tension or interesting plot threads left to resolve.
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I must have missed the explanation of how Lana Banana got her eyes back for the second time.
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I just want to point out the avatar to my left. Someone purchased it for me because I was ignoring their PMs to come post in this thread, at the beginning of the season. It worked, too, because I began posting in the thread afterward. Now that the show is over: whoever bought this avatar owes me some of my life back! (I'd say use the wonder that's got the Latin word for vitality in it, but the bad joke isn't worth the 5 second google search.)
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