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Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch
Someone in the office played Seven Wonders the other day and I almost shat out loud.

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gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010

No Pants posted:

Someone noticed that Madison unknowingly found an object owned by Anna Leigh Leighton (the cigarette holder), and Cordelia didn't pass her last test until Madison was strangled. Which kind of raises questions that aren't worth thinking too hard about, I guess.

Didn't Fiona use that cigarette holder, though? I'd assume Madison had seen it.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

AGirlWonder posted:

Didn't Fiona use that cigarette holder, though? I'd assume Madison had seen it.

Oh wait, THAT cigarette holder? It was on display on the coffee table, that's not finding it, that's seeing it in front of you and then using it. In ALL their time at the house I'm sure someone had used it in her presence.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Doltos posted:

Her hell is literally high school which made me feel zero sympathy for her as a character.

I think you missed the whole point of that scene.

Again, like many things in this show, it was a well done and really sad loop to be stuck in but... then killing her instead of letting her escape it, rendering her character even more pointless, was just "What the gently caress?"

ThatPazuzu
Sep 8, 2011

I'm so depressed, I can't even blink.

No Pants posted:

Someone noticed that Madison unknowingly found an object owned by Anna Leigh Leighton (the cigarette holder), and Cordelia didn't pass her last test until Madison was strangled. Which kind of raises questions that aren't worth thinking too hard about, I guess.

Oh, I really like that actually.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Blazing Ownager posted:

I think you missed the whole point of that scene.

Again, like many things in this show, it was a well done and really sad loop to be stuck in but... then killing her instead of letting her escape it, rendering her character even more pointless, was just "What the gently caress?"

No I didn't miss it. Her personnel hell was being forced to kill something when she only wanted to bring things to life. They just so happened to do it poorly by showing her in a high school biology class when I didn't even picture her character as a girl who even was enrolled in government schooling.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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This season might have been better if Miss Robicheaux's academy had been just a regular girl school, but it was a front for recruiting witches.

Most of the girls at the school are normal, maybe it's like an orphanage or home for troubled girls or something, but a few of them are witches and get quietly recruited by Cordelia and Myrtle to undergo secret witchy training. Soon, normal girls start dropping dead, as their enemies know it's a witch haven but have no idea who's a witch and who's not. They go to Laveau, find out about the hunters, etc, in turn, trying to figure out who the gently caress is killing them. Fiona swoops into the picture as another threat. Misty would have been a much more ambiguous character, so they could confront her, too, and eventually recruit her. No more resurrection, because that's one of those things like time travel that just wrecks a story if done wrong. Have the witch girls trying to mask their powers or make it seem like non-magic girls were the sources, trying to deflect suspicion from them, kinda like we thought Nan was doing.

Still sets up a lot of the backstabby catty drama, but I think would have made this season feel a lot more alive and make the stakes feel a lot higher.

xeria
Jul 26, 2004

Ruh roh...

Blazing Ownager posted:

I think you missed the whole point of that scene.

Again, like many things in this show, it was a well done and really sad loop to be stuck in but... then killing her instead of letting her escape it, rendering her character even more pointless, was just "What the gently caress?"

Yeah, I don't think I'd equate Misty's hell to just 'literally high school' or put it even remotely on the same level of '...really?' as Zoe's "my boyfriend breaks up with me again and again and again" or Madison's "I'm in a terribly produced musical, and I'm not even the lead".

But then, Misty was basically rendered pointless as a character as soon as everyone else could start bringing people back to life, so I'm not surprised her actual death was as arbitrary as the rest of her time on the show.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Blazing Ownager posted:

I think you missed the whole point of that scene.

Again, like many things in this show, it was a well done and really sad loop to be stuck in but... then killing her instead of letting her escape it, rendering her character even more pointless, was just "What the gently caress?"

I liked how when she died it was just her vanishing into smoke/ash. It was literally just an 'alright, get the gently caress outta here now, you're done.'

If she had only just 'died'-died we'd've been expecting her to come back at some point. It's been a long time since I've seen a show where character deaths had such a small impact on those characters - or were such huge deus exes.

Also, shouldn't Misty've been able to reviver herself and then break out of the coffin on her own, or are we to assume she was in her 'hell' during that time or something? But even that doesn't make sense. I just don't know.

God what a bad season with so many interesting underdeveloped aspects.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 12, 2014

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

QuickbreathFinisher posted:

This season might have been better if Miss Robicheaux's academy had been just a regular girl school, but it was a front for recruiting witches.

Most of the girls at the school are normal, maybe it's like an orphanage or home for troubled girls or something, but a few of them are witches and get quietly recruited by Cordelia and Myrtle to undergo secret witchy training. Soon, normal girls start dropping dead, as their enemies know it's a witch haven but have no idea who's a witch and who's not. They go to Laveau, find out about the hunters, etc, in turn, trying to figure out who the gently caress is killing them. Fiona swoops into the picture as another threat. Misty would have been a much more ambiguous character, so they could confront her, too, and eventually recruit her. No more resurrection, because that's one of those things like time travel that just wrecks a story if done wrong. Have the witch girls trying to mask their powers or make it seem like non-magic girls were the sources, trying to deflect suspicion from them, kinda like we thought Nan was doing.

Still sets up a lot of the backstabby catty drama, but I think would have made this season feel a lot more alive and make the stakes feel a lot higher.

Yep, but that would make them have to add some transitioning shots of a bunch of girl extras in the hallways walking to and from class and around the five actual witches. They'd also have to shoot some scenes where Cordelia and Fiona actually taught these girls anything at all which I don't remember happening at one point in time during this entire season.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

QuickbreathFinisher posted:

This season might have been better if Miss Robicheaux's academy had been just a regular girl school, but it was a front for recruiting witches.

Most of the girls at the school are normal, maybe it's like an orphanage or home for troubled girls or something, but a few of them are witches and get quietly recruited by Cordelia and Myrtle to undergo secret witchy training. Soon, normal girls start dropping dead, as their enemies know it's a witch haven but have no idea who's a witch and who's not. They go to Laveau, find out about the hunters, etc, in turn, trying to figure out who the gently caress is killing them. Fiona swoops into the picture as another threat. Misty would have been a much more ambiguous character, so they could confront her, too, and eventually recruit her. No more resurrection, because that's one of those things like time travel that just wrecks a story if done wrong. Have the witch girls trying to mask their powers or make it seem like non-magic girls were the sources, trying to deflect suspicion from them, kinda like we thought Nan was doing.

Still sets up a lot of the backstabby catty drama, but I think would have made this season feel a lot more alive and make the stakes feel a lot higher.

I disagree with this. I liked the idea of witches scrabbling at the cliff's edge trying to hold on with their fingertips to what little power they have left. I think your idea just makes everything much more convoluted and extraneous, more so than it already was.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

xeria posted:

Yeah, I don't think I'd equate Misty's hell to just 'literally high school' or put it even remotely on the same level of '...really?' as Zoe's "my boyfriend breaks up with me again and again and again" or Madison's "I'm in a terribly produced musical, and I'm not even the lead".
I'd put it on the same level or lower. It was just so cliched and awful.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

Drifter posted:

I disagree with this. I liked the idea of witches scrabbling at the cliff's edge trying to hold on with their fingertips to what little power they have left. I think your idea just makes everything much more convoluted and extraneous, more so than it already was.

Except that didn't come through at all in the season. They never seemed like they were teetering on the brink of extinction considering how easily they killed the witch hunters, the whole council of witches that apparently oversees a bunch of covens, and how easy it was for them to find five girls who all looked to be the next supreme on one recruiting trip.

solovyov
Feb 23, 2006

LAWYER FIGHT
Just saw an article celebrating the 40th anniversary of Diane von Furstenberg's wrap dress. Thought of Myrtle, and this thread's unending appreciation for the little details of this season. (Warning: the word "camp" does not appear in this article so some of you may have difficulty understanding it.)

Taliaquin
Dec 13, 2009

Turtle flu

Yodzilla posted:

Someone in the office played Seven Wonders the other day and I almost shat out loud.
That song used to be one of my guilty pleasure Fleetwood Mac songs and now it just annoys me because of its hokey use in this show.

Doltos posted:

Yep, but that would make them have to add some transitioning shots of a bunch of girl extras in the hallways walking to and from class and around the five actual witches. They'd also have to shoot some scenes where Cordelia and Fiona actually taught these girls anything at all which I don't remember happening at one point in time during this entire season.
Hey now, they studied and practiced magic during the Stevie Nicks video in the finale. Zoe made a bed float.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

solovyov posted:

(Warning: the word "camp" does not appear in this article so some of you may have difficulty understanding it.)
Is this supposed to be a jab at a particular person or this thread or something? I don't get it.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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Drifter posted:

I disagree with this. I liked the idea of witches scrabbling at the cliff's edge trying to hold on with their fingertips to what little power they have left. I think your idea just makes everything much more convoluted and extraneous, more so than it already was.

Fair point, that's why I'm not one of the show writers!

Taliaquin posted:

That song used to be one of my guilty pleasure Fleetwood Mac songs and now it just annoys me because of its hokey use in this show.

I still unironically love that song. :3: So cheesy.

solovyov
Feb 23, 2006

LAWYER FIGHT

Last Chance posted:

Is this supposed to be a jab at a particular person or this thread or something? I don't get it.

Yes. But mostly it's a cool article about the wrap dress for anyone interested in figuring out why so many people delighted in Myrtle's reference to it as the greatest invention of the century.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Doltos posted:

Except that didn't come through at all in the season. They never seemed like they were teetering on the brink of extinction considering how easily they killed the witch hunters, the whole council of witches that apparently oversees a bunch of covens, and how easy it was for them to find five girls who all looked to be the next supreme on one recruiting trip.

???

My comment was more about Lange's and Bassett's characters than whatever witch world that exists outside of what we saw in the show.

The New Orleans branch of Witch School was slowly dying and had literally only those four or five girls as students, compared to the however many there were in previous years. Fiona left because she liked her own powers, but as you saw, when they started to fade she grew desperate and brought herself back and practically waged an internal war to keep her powers to herself.

Your other comments here are best answered with the knowledge that the show had a really crappy plot resolution method. It was so easy for them to do things because the show writers were bored or lazy and probably said "...okay, and then this'll happen, and it'll be done with, and now that happens, and we'll finish it up in just a minute..." and didn't really bother with creating the necessary logical paths that would make it seem like the characters actually resolved it within their world.

Regarding the witch hunters, did you not see how Fiona and the others literally almost shat bricks when they discovered them? And then they fix the thing in literally two seconds and a goddamned game of Mouse Trap. It's bad writing all around where all these major plotty points are concerned.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Feb 13, 2014

Chaotic Flame
Jun 1, 2009

So...


No Pants posted:

Cordelia didn't pass her last test until Madison was strangled. Which kind of raises questions that aren't worth thinking too hard about, I guess.

I'm pretty sure that's just what the standard resurrection power is supposed to be. As Madison died, Cordelia used her life to bring Zoe back. Someone in the thread mentioned it, but regular resurrection requires a life to be traded whereas Misty's power seems to be the ability to just bring things back with no tradeoff.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming
American Horror Story: Circus

confirmed.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Now it'll be all right for the characters to be a bunch of clowns :v:

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

by Lowtax

escape artist posted:

American Horror Story: Circus

confirmed.

Same thing two years in a row?

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.
See you guys for Season 5. I find Clowns too legitimately frightening to watch next year.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.
No Cthulhu season? I'm out.

Also, the best clown horror ever was the Supernatural circus episode from one of the first few seasons.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Tuxedo Jack posted:

No Cthulhu season? I'm out.

Also, the best clown horror ever was the Supernatural circus episode from one of the first few seasons.

Can I watch that without having to watch other episodes of Supernatural? (Or is it serialized?)

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

by Lowtax

escape artist posted:

Can I watch that without having to watch other episodes of Supernatural? (Or is it serialized?)

It's not super serialized and you could probably just watch it and get what most of it is about, but you should do yourself a favor and just watch the whole thing instead. Season 1 ranks from good to really great but season 2 to season 5 are some of my favorite of all tv shows put together.

It's hilarious but also has genuine terrifying moments. Just check the pilot really.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.

escape artist posted:

Can I watch that without having to watch other episodes of Supernatural? (Or is it serialized?)

Season 2, episode 2. And there might be some chit chat about the arc, but if I remember correctly, the episode is relatively standalone. But you should watch the first 5 seasons of Supernatural anyway, because it's great.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Twee as gently caress posted:

It's not super serialized and you could probably just watch it and get what most of it is about, but you should do yourself a favor and just watch the whole thing instead. Season 1 ranks from good to really great but season 2 to season 5 are some of my favorite of all tv shows put together.

It's hilarious but also has genuine terrifying moments. Just check the pilot really.

The last time I took a recommendation like this, I watched the first Season of Fringe, and wanted 22 hours of my life back.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.

escape artist posted:

The last time I took a recommendation like this, I watched the first Season of Fringe, and wanted 22 hours of my life back.

To be fair, Fringe's first season (like Supernaturals) is a slow burn. So yeah, if you have a short attention span and hate good television, then don't bother. But both of those shows build into something much better.

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

by Lowtax

escape artist posted:

The last time I took a recommendation like this, I watched the first Season of Fringe, and wanted 22 hours of my life back.

Well I'm warning you already that the first season is not as good as the rest of the show, but it's still really good. There's only one or two episodes in it that are terrible and you can skip completely (they even mock it later)

But yeah it's absolutely hilarious. Give the pilot a shot and if you don't dig it it's probably not for you (because you hate fun and great things)

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

escape artist posted:

The last time I took a recommendation like this, I watched the first Season of Fringe, and wanted 22 hours of my life back.

In fairness Fringe actually does get really good once it gets going, but yeah thats after that one super bland season and before concluding with two more boring, unsatisfying seasons aside with maybe a handful of decent episodes.

A lot of people describe it as the inverse of the X-FILES... all the monster of the week episodes are pretty bad but the plotline episodes are what everyone loves. If there's one show where you should probably follow some dudes list of "essential episodes" instead of watching everything then FRINGE is probably it.

sleepingbuddha
Nov 4, 2010

It's supposed to look like a smashed cinnamon roll
Fringe starts off mediocre, then gets really good, then gets really bad.

What are the odds of Insane Clown Posse showing up next season?

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Wow. AHS: Circus' cast is literally Season 3 + Zachary Quinto.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Got a source for that? All I can find is the one writer saying "yeah, it's a circus".

Parasol Prophet
Aug 31, 2012

We Are Best Friends Now.
Hell yeah. Bring it back, AHS. You can do this.

http://screenrant.com/american-horror-story-season-4-carnival/

I don't remember where, but I seem to recall hearing they were filming in New Mexico. In which case, I am all over this season like crazy. Carnivals are awesome and creepy, clowns don't scare me too much, and the 1950's southwest should be a prime backdrop for the whole thing (what with all the top-secret nuclear development/testing and whatnot).

Edit: Oh man, if Zachary Quinto comes back then it'll be too good to be... good. I'll start lowering my hopes now just in case.

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Can't wait for the circus' freak show to provide tons of :rolleyes:-worthy teachable moments.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Isn't this Lange's last season?

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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Sweeney Tom posted:

Isn't this Lange's last season?

Yep. Here's hoping she ends it on a high note, she's thinking of retiring from acting after that. Spoilers have said she's been working on her German accent. Let's hope it's better/more consistent than her Boston one.

That Carnival setting has me excited. I would love a season-long version of something like the X-Files episode "Humbug." That had dark humor and creep factor out the rear end. I also want to remedy the fact that I've never seen Carnivale before this comes out.

I watched the first few episodes of Fringe a while ago and just couldn't get into it. Maybe I hate good things but I just didn't care, and a whole season of bland before it goes anywhere sounds like a lot.

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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


QuickbreathFinisher posted:

I watched the first few episodes of Fringe a while ago and just couldn't get into it. Maybe I hate good things but I just didn't care, and a whole season of bland before it goes anywhere sounds like a lot.
It's really about a half season of bland. By the end of season 1, it becomes extremely good.

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