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Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender


Worth the wait.

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BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Mei seizes victory, looks like she's the heroine now. :v:

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.
Stream is done - next post is probably going to be Saturday night/Sunday morning.

I was SO CLOSE to beating Puzzledama. My theme music power up stopped at just the wrong moment :(

In other news, thanks for helping me dig this back up - this is a preview of the Sports Festival!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FjYROApT8E

Sometimes, if you sign up for the three-legged race, Takumi will sign up as your partner specifically so you can't partner up with any of the girls, because he'd get jealous otherwise. As revenge... well, skip to 1:00.

vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Feb 22, 2014

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010
Thanks for doing your part to help Tokimeki Puzzle Dama become the top game on Twitch, everyone. Don't stop believing; support esports! I know we'll get there.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Coming in to someone try to make a girl cry via Tetris Attack induced trauma to the tune of Battle For Everyone's Souls is probably the strangest thing I've seen all week, incidentally.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

BlitzBlast posted:

Coming in to someone try to make a girl cry via Tetris Attack induced trauma to the tune of Battle For Everyone's Souls is probably the strangest thing I've seen all week, incidentally.

At least you didn't join during I'll Face Myself and be even more confused

Mordecai
May 18, 2003

Known throughout the world! Chop people's head off to the ground! Angry eyes that frighten people! Dragon among humans, king of dragons... Manchurian Derp Deity, Ha Che'er.

ChaosArgate posted:

Love Plus got a patch as well, which some people say is a successor to TokiMemo. :v:

But does it actually have interesting plot or gameplay? The wikipedia description makes it seem like the saddest thing.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Mordecai posted:

But does it actually have interesting plot or gameplay? The wikipedia description makes it seem like the saddest thing.

Having played it as a joke, not really. The first half is basically TokiMemo-lite, where there's less stat management and no worrying over bombs and crap, and the second half is dating mode and it is pretty sad. From what I've heard, it's less of a game and more of a tool to help boys be more confident in talking to and maybe dating girls.

The_Frag_Man
Mar 26, 2005

ChaosArgate posted:

From what I've heard, it's less of a game and more of a tool to help boys be more confident in talking to and maybe dating girls.

:frogbon: I can't decide if that's sad or cute. Weren't there people getting married to the girls in that game? I think it backfired!

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

The_Frag_Man posted:

Weren't there people getting married to the girls in that game?

Yes. It's.. aahh.. a thing.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...



Sasami what are you doing here.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.
Chapter 2: Get in.

Alright, folks. Since Miho won the vote, it's time to lay down the foundation for the first year! There are still a lot of new features to discover, but the first order of business is to join the right club to meet her.

4/18: Goon joins a club

Even the club recruitment screen is a huge improvement over Tokimemo 1. Instead of just a generic notebook with names scribbled into it, you get to see the recruitment posters that the various club presidents have made to try and convince people to join up.

Unlike TokiMemo 1, all of these clubs have a character associated with them, instead of randomly inserting Shiori based on a diff formula. I'll list the character after each poster.



"Cosplay all you want
The flowery Drama Club is looking for members!"
Character: Miho


"Tastes like Koushien
Baseball Club"
Character: Kaedeko

I have to say that this poster would really make me reconsider my life choices, instead of making me want to dedicate myself to baseball...


"Blow up everything
Science Club"
Character: Mei


"Tennis Club
We'll play the game of love with you"
Character: Miyuki

Pop Culture note: The poster is done in the style of legendary tennis/romance manga Ace wo Nerae!, which is one of the most influential manga for girls in history.


"Concert Band"
Character: Kasumi

I can't help but think that this was Konami's response to everyone in Tokimemo 1 realizing that the best club for a Shiori run was Concert Band...


"VOLLEY BALL"
Character: Kaori

What the hell is wrong with the sports clubs at this school? First weeping baseball players eating bats and now we have some Super Volleyball spiked ball stuff going on here. Okay, now I just talked myself into wanting to join the volleyball club.


"Tea Ceremony"
Character: Kotoko


"Explode out of the starting block!
Track and Field Club"
Character: Hikari


"I AM THE LAW!!
Hibikino High School Student Council"
Character: Homura

...Thanks, Homura.

As a cultural note, while every icon so far has been easy visual shorthand for the club - drama gets stage curtains, Science gets a lab coat... but the Student Council icon depicts a Daruma doll. Specifically, it depicts a Daruma with only one eye filled in, which is a distinctly Japanese custom. When you buy a Daruma doll, the eyes are blank white. You draw in one eye, then make a wish/pray for something. When that wish is fulfilled, then you draw in the second eye. Find out more of the symbolism in Homura's story.



"Come at us,
At the Kendo Club!"
Character: Jun

This is also one of the best clubs to join for an Akane run, but it has way more to do with game mechanics than it does with anything she actually likes.

So, for a Miho run, Drama club is the best option. In we go!



Look at those glorious weather effects! Yes, rain will force all activities inside - if you exercise inside it'll change from running sprints to lifting weights, while most of the non-sports clubs just watch the rain from their windows.

The Drama club raises the Lit stat a great deal, while having positive effects on Art, Exercise, General Knowledge, and Guts. It has a negative effect on Looks, so we'll have to keep an eye on that since Miho's ending requires Art/Lit/Looks. Unless it requires General Knowledge and Looks.

It's complicated.


4/22: Bumping into girls after school


Goon: (Time to go home and play video games!)
Goon: Hey, it's Hikari.
Option 1: Invite her to walk home together
Option 2: Ignore her and go home


For the sake of pointing out new game mechanics, it's time to choose Option 1.


Goon: Alright, I'll ask her.

Note the thumbs-up on the right side of the screen that prompts you to hit the R1 button. If you do, a list of names pops up, which will change what you call the girl. This has a lot of cultural significance in Japan, so let's make sure to explore this properly.


There's a surprising amount of information to be disseminated here, but I'll try to make it relatively brief. Calling someone by their family name is formal. Calling someone by their first name is a mark of familiarity and closeness, whether familial or otherwise. Most of the girls have a default of <last name>-san, which is a standard form of address, neither overly formal nor rudely familiar.

Depending on your affection level with the girl, they'll accept different forms of address as a mark of their relationship with you. For example, Miho will never let you just call her "Shirayuki", while she's fine with either "Shirayuki-san" or "Shirayuki-chan". Once you're friends, she'll be okay with "Miho-chan". At highest affection, she'll be okay with the personal "Miho-san", more intimate "Miho", and the playful "Miho-pyon" (pyon is the sound that animals make when they hop).

Hikari is an exception to all of these rules. Because she's known you forever, she will not let you call her anything other than "Hikari"... unless you've really pissed her off, in which case she'll distance herself from you and force you to call her "Hinomoto-san". This pretty much only happens unless you really go out of your way to be mean to her.



Goon: Hikari!
Hikari: Hey, Gunma-kun. I was just about to head home too.
Goon: If it's okay, wanna walk home together?


Hikari: Oh, sorry. I can't today.
Goon: Really? Well, later then.
Goon: (drat...)

4/29: Another call to the Exposition Fairy


Quick note - because Goon joined the Drama Club, there is now a chonmage wig on the top right shelf, above his TV and PlayStation.


This is what it looks like when you call Takumi and ask about what the girls think of you. Hikari starts at average affection - in spite of being an old friend (or perhaps because she's a friend), she follows normal affection rules until year 2, when she admits a few things to herself, musters up her courage, and makes a run at Goon. Speaking of her friends, Kotoko starts the game actively disliking Goon.

The other thing you can see here is a quick overview of their stats. The five columns show you a general ranking on five categories: Lit, Science, Art, Exercise, and General Knowledge. These stats can and will change over time based on what they're doing in their after-school activities and weekends. When I called a few weeks later, Hikari had been hitting the track hard and was an A in the Exercise/Sports stat.

As a note, Takumi and Jun have these stats (hidden) as well - one of the ways you can cockblock the ever-living crap out of them is to call them every weekend and make sure they're stuck on the phone with you instead of going on dates/building their stats to the point where the girl of their dreams will accept them.



While I'm at it, here's Hikari's profile, even though you start the game with her phone number.

Hinomoto Hikari
Born June 25th
Cancer | Blood Type A
Height: 157cm
Measurements: 82-56-83
Club: Track and Field
MEMO: A sporty girl who loves to exercise.
Not a slouch in her studies either.


The plan to meet Miho

There are three ways to meet Miho:

1) Study Lit with a Lit stat higher than 50
2) Study Art with an Art stat higher than 55
3) Join the Drama club and participate in club activities until Miho shows up (she will automatically show up if you haven't met her by Summer Camp)

For scientific purposes, I wanted to see all three of these options to see if they were different. Also, the first Tokimemo had moving stat thresholds to meet girls but Tokimemo 2 doesn't change those thresholds depending on how many girls you've met... which means that I wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally meet a non-Miho girl too early and make the juggling act more difficult. The first method I tested was jamming the Drama club


6/2: Meet Miho (Drama club version)

THUD

???: Oh, I'm sorry. Are you alright? I was off daydreaming.
Goon: No, it was my fault too...
???: !! You're...!
Goon: Huh? What's up?


???: Um, could you tell me your name?
Goon: It's Fudou, but...
???: I knew it.
Goon: Huh? What?
???: Excuse me, I have to go.
Goon: (Who was that girl?)


Takumi: Hmm? Say, when did you get to know Shirayuki-san?
Goon: (Hmmm? So her name is Shirayuki-san.)
Takumi: Hey, don't ignore me...

6/2 is a bit late for my tastes, since I feel like I'll need all the time I can for this run. Especially it's right up against the...

6/5: Sports Festival!


Goon: It's the Sports Festival today!
Goon: Hmm, which game should I enter?


Option 1: 100m dash
Option 2: 3-legged race
Option 3: Kibasen (Cavalry Battle)
Option 4: Pole-toppling
Option 5: Play hooky


Even though I was going to reload, I figured that I'd go through with it to show off all the mini-games. The viewers on my stream requested the Kibasen because it's something that doesn't exist in America - largely because of enormous injury risk and liability issues here.


Hikari: Gunma-kun!
Goon: Hey, Hikari.
Hikari: So, do you have a Kibasen team yet?
Goon: No, not yet.
Hikari: Ooh, really? Hey, can I be on your team?
Goon: Of course!
Hikari: Yay! Alright, let's kick some butt!
Goon: Let's do it. (Time to give it my all!)

So, what's a Kibasen, you ask? Well, it's like a game of flag football had a lovechild with Red Rover after a night of unbelievably angry sex. Each team is four people. Three of them make a triangle, clasp arms, and form the horse - the fourth person sits on top of them as the rider, and wears a long headband. When a rider's head section has been destroyed headband has been stolen, they're eliminated.


So the riders fight, and fight, and keep on fighting, until the class represented by the last standing rider earns the right to rule all other classes wins!*Note: image is not actually from Tokimeki Memorial 2

As you can tell, the risk of injury can be pretty high for a high school game, since getting the riders close enough to grab each other involves a lot of jostling for position, which is a euphemism for "running into each other". Enough with the explanation, though. Cavalry Fight! Ready... GO!



Teams are made up of three riders. To win, defeat the enemy team's general! Your unit is your team's general.

Dodge your enemy's attacks, watch your allies' movements, and defeat the enemy general!



The controls are pretty simple. By default, your unit jogs forward. To dash, mash the Circle button. To reverse, hold the X button. Use left or right on the D-pad to turn. Running into the enemy deals damage, and the enemy running into you deals damage. When a unit's HP reaches zero, that unit is eliminated.


The Kibasen has three formations to choose from: the offensively-oriented spearhead, the man-to-man defense Spread formation, and the "protect me, minions!" formation. 3D Hikari agreed with my stream viewers on this one.
Hikari: Let's go right after 'em!


For video of this mini-game, you can check out my stream archive - it should be about 40 or so minutes into the broadcast.


Sadly, my first try at this mini-game in 15 years resulted in time running out and the game resulting in a draw.


Hikari: Pretty good! We did our best!
Goon: (I guess it's not that bad)

Because I feel like this will be a number of interest for this first run...

RELOAD COUNT: 1

I wanted to see if I could meet Miho earlier, so I tried meeting her via the Lit method. Unfortunately...

5/17: Meet Akane

It turns out that if you study Lit with both Lit and Science over 50, Akane will wander over and start to copy your homework.


Goon: Let's see, so this question should be... hmm...
???: Mm-hmm, I see.
Goon: Huh? ...Um, who're you?
???: Oh, don't worry about that right now. Keep going.
Goon: O, okay... so this problem should look like this, and that means that for the next problem...
???: I see, I see. So what does that mean for this problem?
Goon: Oh, you work it out this way.
???: Oh, that's how you do it.
Goon: ...which means that the answer is this.
???: I kind of get it, but could you do that again and explain it a little more simply so I can do it myself?
Goon: S, sure. So, here's the explanation in the textbook. See how it works here?
???: I see, I see.
Goon: So if you apply it here, then this is the answer you should get.
???: Oh, I get it now! That helps a lot, thanks! Bye!


Goon: So... who WAS that, anyway?
Takumi: You don't know about Ichimonji-san?


Goon: AAUGH!
Takumi: That's rude, treating me like a ghost or something.
Goon: It's your fault for popping up out of nowhere!
Goon: Whatever. So, Ichimonji-san?

Translator's note: The stereotypical way for Japanese people to react to something scary popping up out of nowhere, other than screaming, is to shout 出た! or, literally, "It appeared!/It's here!" - that's how Goon reacts to the sudden appearance of Takumi here, which leads to Takumi sounding a bit exasperated.


Takumi: Yeah, her name's Ichimonji Akane.
Takumi: She's cute, and everyone talks about her br...
Goon: Yeah, yeah.
Goon: (Ichimonji-san, eh?)


Before I reload, I wanted to show Akane's profile, via the Exposition Fairy. Her grades are pretty bad overall, and she focuses on Exercise and General Knowledge. Note that Hikari's Sports stat has upped itself to an A in the past few weeks, while Kotoko is down to an E because tea ceremony doesn't exactly build muscle.


Ichimonji Akane
Born September 10th
Virgo | Blood type O
Height: 159cm
Measurements: 89-59-86
Club: None
MEMO: Works part-time at a diner.
Bad grades, possibly because she's busy.


Akane works at a Japanese-style diner, which are popular among the eat-and-go crowd because they have set courses that get brought out in a box and are made to be eaten quickly.

The Lit version of Miho's meeting is the exact same as the other version, and it happens on 6/2 in this version, so I think the best option will be the Art version of the meeting. But before I reload, I'll finish the week off and show you another of the Sports Festival mini-games: the Pole Toppling/Bou-taoshi event.



Players of the original Suikoden RPG will find this mini-game pretty familiar. This mini-game is 15 on 15, and the goal is to get to the enemy base and knock down their pole while defending your own. There are three important stats: Power, Speed, and Toughness. These are based on your combined Exercise and Stamina or Exercise and Guts scores; Takumi tends to be fragile, while Jun tends to be amazing. Each character can be assigned one of seven orders:

Break Defense | Counterattack
Charge | Zone Defense
Circle Around | Wall


There is a seventh position that isn't assigned - it's forced on anyone who's assigned to the area around the pole, and does nothing but add hit points to the pole.


Takumi and Jun also act as Suikoden ninjas - they provide intel on where the enemy defense will be most concentrated and where the bulk of their attackers will be. In this case...
Takumi: The other team looks like it'll attack straight down the middle.
Jun: Looks like they'll concentrate their defenses on the right.


Once everyone has their orders, you can just watch as boys will be bo...

Wait, are there people dying and turning into angels?!


:aaa:


Hikari: We'll try harder next time.
Hikari: We didn't want it enough.
Goon: (She's right. We'll get 'em next year.)

RELOAD COUNT: 2

5/19: Meet Miho (Art version)


Screenshot included because she still has her winter sweater on.

5/23: Call the Exposition Fairy


Miho's stats are on the bottom. Appropriately enough, she favors the stats that the Drama Club builds, Lit and Art. She, too, is spectacularly bad at sports.


Shirayuki Miho
Born February 24th
Pisces | Blood Type B
Height: 156cm
Measurements: 78-55-79
Club: Drama club
MEMO: Dreamer who likes to tell fortunes.
Reads a lot of books.


This process took a lot more space than I thought, so I'll split this into two posts. Next post coming late tonight! :getin:

Next time: 50 first dates (not literally... I hope)

vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 23, 2014

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Man, this game's Sports Festival is a lot more hilarious than the last one. Are any of the other two also references to Konami games?

quote:

she follows normal affection rules until year 2, when she admits a few things to herself, musters up her courage, and makes a run at Goon.

We're going to have to friend zone her, aren't we.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

It's not you, Hikari, it's me.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.
Tokimemo 2's looking way more interesting than the first already, looking forward to seeing the rest of this game.

Also, out of a twisted curiosity this thread made me try out the PSP port of Tokimemo 1 which looks to be a straight port of the PS1 version with virtually no changes as far as I can tell and seeing this mere update has sort of irked me that Tokimemo 1 is the one with the PSP port and not Tokimemo 2 because honestly, actually playing Tokimemo 1 it was okay but very swiftly got repetitive, Tokimemo 2 seems like it's got more things to keep the actual gameplay fresh.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

Tokimemo 2's looking way more interesting than the first already, looking forward to seeing the rest of this game.

Also, out of a twisted curiosity this thread made me try out the PSP port of Tokimemo 1 which looks to be a straight port of the PS1 version with virtually no changes as far as I can tell and seeing this mere update has sort of irked me that Tokimemo 1 is the one with the PSP port and not Tokimemo 2 because honestly, actually playing Tokimemo 1 it was okay but very swiftly got repetitive, Tokimemo 2 seems like it's got more things to keep the actual gameplay fresh.

I believe Tokimemo 2 can also be played on PSP; I'm currently playing it on my PS3, at least. Tokimemo 2 is also a straight port, but with some bug fixes.

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

vibratingsheep posted:

I believe Tokimemo 2 can also be played on PSP; I'm currently playing it on my PS3, at least. Tokimemo 2 is also a straight port, but with some bug fixes.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, Tokimemo 2 wasn't released on PSP as like an actual physical UMD release like Tokimemo 1 was which is how I played it, but both of the PS1 versions of the games are available on the Japanese PSN which entails having a Japanese PSN account which I do not currently possess but sounds like it'd be easy enough to set up, so you can play both on a PSP like that.

Delightfully, this means the PSP has access to two separate but completely identical versions of Tokimemo 1.

Nondevor
Jun 1, 2011





catposting
Could we try and get Hikari together with Jun or Takumi? She probably wouldn't pursue after us as much, and the friendzoning wouldn't be as bad.

Catalina
May 20, 2008



Yay! I've been checking since last night to see if this update was up! :neckbeard: It's so much fun to be able to fully understand events; I find it really hilarious that Akane just comes right up and copies your homework without even saying anything.

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

If Wikipedia is to be believed, Tokimemo 2 wasn't released on PSP as like an actual physical UMD release like Tokimemo 1 was which is how I played it, but both of the PS1 versions of the games are available on the Japanese PSN which entails having a Japanese PSN account which I do not currently possess but sounds like it'd be easy enough to set up, so you can play both on a PSP like that.

Delightfully, this means the PSP has access to two separate but completely identical versions of Tokimemo 1.

I can confirm this, as I used a Japanese PSN account on a US PSP to play the PSP port and the Playstation versions of TM1 and TM2. Though I'm pretty sure I wasn't able to use my US Credit Card, I had to purchase Japanese PSN Gift cards. That was about 4 years ago, though. I accidentally ended up spilling water on my PSP and haven't replaced it yet.

Also, I don't remember which, but either the PSP version of Tokimeki Memorial 1 or the PS version had better graphics and sound. You can tell by which of the openings looks the most compressed.

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

Nondevor posted:

Could we try and get Hikari together with Jun or Takumi? She probably wouldn't pursue after us as much, and the friendzoning wouldn't be as bad.

Jun is out unless we force Hikari to hate us. Takumi is an option but will require reloading.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Man if we're not going to go with Hikari, we're gonna have to go all the way. We're going to be that one anime stereotype who is completely oblivious to the concept of love and just ends up looking like a massive dick.

Only then shall we truly become Goon. :colbert:

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.
Chapter 3: 50 First Dates

What follows is a primer on dating in Tokimeki Memorial 2. It's out of chronological order since I technically did this after the very first Sports Festival, but the information is valid enough that I need to go back and highlight it here.

Run Datingtutorial.exe -easymode


For the purposes of this tutorial, I called Hikari. She's usually game to hang out somewhere with Goon, unless there's a track meet (you shouldn't ask her out on the third Sunday of a month) or there are certain knuckleheads trying to ask her out on the same day.


Goon: Hello, am I speaking to Hinomoto-san?
Hikari: Oh, Gunma-kun! I was wondering when you'd call.
Hikari: So what's up?
Goon: Hey, so...


UI improvement #1: the game actually highlights eligible days for dates. It also shows the weather forecast for the next few days, which mostly affects whether or not the girl will bring an umbrella - there are some events that are rain exclusive or require no rain, though.


Once you choose a day, the game brings up a map of Hibikino city, divided up into segments. These segments are important because they're divided up by meeting spot - which can lead to awkward double bookings for the incredibly uncareful, but also is important for the Punks Attack mini-event. If you go to the same section of the map three times in a row, that'll trigger the RPG mini-game, instead of going to the exact same spot. It means you have to keep a little better track of everything... well, unless you're out with Akane. Punks will never attack Akane. They know better.

Anyway, the west side of the city is all of the parks. From top to bottom, there's the Riverside Park (gee, I wonder if there are some special sepia-toned events there?), Hibikino Central Park, and the botanical garden. As you can see from the illustration, the shrine is also here for Ennichi purposes. Above the pop-out of Central Park is the skating rink, which comes up every winter. The lollipop is special and will come up later.



The area around Hibikino Station contains all of the fashionable date spots. The shopping district, the karaoke box, the arcade, the movie theater, and the aquarium. The bowling alley opens later in the year, while the burger joint will come up later.


The bottom right side of the map is for places that aren't within the city limits, the beach and the mountains.


The top right of the map is for places accessible by bus - the zoo, the amusement park, and the stadium. The diner will come up later.


Goon: Want to go to the zoo on the 13th?
Hikari: Ummm... yeah, looks like that's fine.
Goon: Okay, let's meet at the bus stop on the 13th.
Hikari: Roger! Don't you forget, okay?
Goon: I'll even be on time. Later.
Goon: (Awesome, I can't wait!)


UI improvement #2: On the actual day of the date, the game reminds you who's on the schedule for the day.


Goon: (I got here a little early)
Hikari: Gunma-kun.
Goon: Hey, Hikari.
Hikari: Thanks for waiting, now let's go!


Goon: This zoo supposedly has a pretty good variety of animals.
Hikari: Yep, that's right. I wonder if they've gotten any new rare animals?
Goon: I wonder? C'mon, let's check inside.


Hikari: Ooh... look at that! It's cuter than I expected.


Option 1: Yeah, the little guinea pig is cute.
Option 2: Yeah, that huge lizard looking this way?
Option 3: Yeah, those raccoons have some nice moves.


Yeah, so this system hasn't changed. Thankfully - I don't think I want anything more than multiple choice in a game this complicated already. Anyway, to show how much Hikari is different from Shiori, let's pick 1


Hikari: Sure, guinea pigs are cute, but no, not them...
Hikari: Look at those raccoons! I've never seen them close up like this.
Goon: (Eh.)


Hikari: Today was fun! Let's do this again, okay?
Hikari: Hey, do you want to walk together on the way back home?

There's some nuance lost in translation here that just doesn't sound right in English. Hikari says "Let's walk together until we have to split up [because our houses are in different directions]" It's a casual and friendly suggestion that doesn't come with any of the blushiness of Tokimemo 1.

Taskkill datingtutorial.exe
Run getin.bat


5/30: Invite Miho out on a date


Goon: Hello, is this Shirayuki-san's house?
Miho: Yes, that's right.
Goon: Oh, Shirayuki-san? It's Fudou.
Miho: Ah, what are you calling about?
Goon: Hey...


Goon: Want to go to the shopping district with me on June 6th?
Miho: That day? Let me check the signs.
Miho: Hmmmm, it looks fine.
Goon: Okay, let's meet at the station square on the 6th.
Miho: Yes, I see. Please don't forget!

What a polite and well-mannered girl! How could this possibly go wrong?

6/5: Sports Festival, round 3


This screenshot has nothing to do with the sports festival, it's just an illustration of how characters will tag along with Goon if their schedule happens to line up with his. Hikari was exercising anyway, why not hang out with her oldest friend?


On this run, I decided to take another shot at the Kibasen mini-game. However, it was not meant to be...


Goon, what happened? Goon? GOOOOOOOON

6/6: Date with Miho


Goon: (Did I get here too early? Shirayuki-san isn't here yet.)


Goon: Shirayuki-san.
Miho: Fudou-san. I'm sorry. I ran a little bit late.
Goon: I just got here too, you're not late. Let's get moving.


Miho: Where do you want to go today?
Option 1: Let's go to the boutique.
Option 2: The fancy shop sounds nice.


Don't be fooled by the English-sounding name, a fancy shop is a fake loanword - it's a store aimed at teens and pre-teens, usually offering things like handbags, accessories, character-based merchandise, simple jewelry, and so on. If you've ever been to something like a Sanrio store, you know what they're like. A relatively close-ish American equivalent would be Forever 21.

Anyway, Miho sure did love her frog when she was a kid, so she should love this place, right?


Goon: The fancy shop sounds nice.
Miho: I can't wait! There's something there I've wanted to check out for a while.


Miho: Which of these do you think suits me best?
Option 1: The red enamel scarf.
Option 2: The clean white ribbon.
Option 3: The desert camo bandana.


She's not paying attention to the frogs on the wall at all? That's odd... well, she's wearing a white hair ribbon, so 2 could be safe. Meanwhile, I learned today that enamel is a material that people will actually wear on their bodies.


Miho: It's hard to think of what I'd coordinate with it, so I'll pass.
Goon: (I didn't make a very good impression)

:aaa:


Miho: That wasn't as fun as I was expecting.
Miho: Well, I'm heading home now.

:aaaaa: What... what just happened?

RELOAD COUNT: 3

6/5: Sports Festival, part 4


One more crack at the Kibasen!


SUCCESS! All shall fall before the power of the Goon!


Hikari: That was awesome! We worked really hard for that.
Goon: (Hehehe, you're making me blush.)

6/6: Date with Miho, take 2

Alright. We know what the bad answer is now, so this should go smoothly.


Goon: (Did I get here too early? Shirayuki-san isn't here yet.)


Miho: Fudou-san. I'm sorry. I ran a little bit late.
Goon: I just got here too, you're not late. Let's get moving.

Wait weren't you wearing a different outfit last time? What's going on?


Miho: Where do you want to go today?
Goon: Option 2: The fancy shop sounds nice.
Miho: Oh good. My horoscope said that my lucky spot for the day is the fancy shop.

I'm ready this time. If she doesn't like the red scarf, then I have no idea what kind of person we're dealing with here.


Miho: Wow! It's the Kero-chan corner! Kero-chan! Kero-chan!
Goon: Kero-chan? Oh, you're talking about Kero Kero Debeso-chan.
Miho: Ding ding ding! It's really popular with a lot of girls.

Kero Kero Debeso translates to "ribbit ribbit outie" - if you don't know what it looks like, please refer to every childhood picture of Miho, as well as the mouse cursor in all of the gameplay screenshots.

Goon: Yeah, looks like.
Goon: I've seen a lot of girls carrying it.
Miho: I've been a fan since I was little. Isn't it cute?
Goon: Y, yeah.
Miho: I know, right~?


Miho: Today was even more fun than I'd predicted. I'm really glad I came...
Miho: Okay, it's time for me to head home.

Wait, that's it? There wasn't even a choice, she's just happy? Okay, it's time to make a new save and then reload.

RELOAD COUNT: 4

6/3: Walk home with Jun

Yes, you can walk home with the guys in Tokimemo 2. A few of these events will give you vital information about them and their goals, others will give you tips about talking to girls. And the rest of them serve well for cockblocking purposes.


Goon: Jun!
Jun: Yo, you going home right now?
Goon: Yeah. Wanna walk together?
Jun: Yeah, sure. There was a question on tonight's homework that I wanted to ask you about.
Goon: (I had fun walking home with Jun.)

6/5: Sports Festival, take 5

This time, I wanted to show everyone the 3-legged race. This event has the strongest effect on the affection of a single girl, so under normal circumstances it can be kind of dangerous... unless Takumi is out to sabotage you, in which case he'll team up with you purely so you can't get tied to a girl. If your sports stat is high enough, the revenge is nothing short of amazing.


Hikari: Gunma-kun.
Goon: Hey, Hikari.
Hikari: Say, do you have a partner for the 3-legged race yet?
Goon: No, not yet.
Hikari: So pair up with me!
Goon: With pleasure!
Hikari: Yay! Let's win this!


The 3-legged race is more of a coordination check than a stats check... unless you plan on dragging Takumi in your dust cloud, which is a completely valid option that I wholeheartedly endorse. Just like in real 3-legged races, it's all about coordinating outside leg, inside leg with your partner. On 1, you hit L1. On 2, you hit R1. As you settle into a rhythm, your partner will speed up the cadence and you can zoom along pretty well.


Hikari keeps a pretty good pace, which shouldn't be that surprising for a sprinter.


SUCCESS!


Hikari: That was awesome! We worked really hard for that.
Goon: (Hehehe, you're making me blush.)

6/6: Date with Miho, take 3


Goon: (Did I get here too early? Shirayuki-san isn't here yet.)


Miho: Fudou-san. I'm sorry. I ran a little bit late.
Goon: I just got here too, you're not late. Let's get moving.


Miho: Where do you want to go today?
Goon: Option 2: The fancy shop sounds nice.
Miho: I can't wait! There's something there I've wanted to check out for a while.


Miho: Which of these do you think suits me best?
Goon: The red enamel scarf.


Miho: This is great! ...isn't it. I wonder if I should buy it.
Goon: (Looks like I made a great impression!)


Miho: I'm glad I came. This was super fun.
Miho: Please, invite me out again some time.
Miho: Let's walk together on the way back home.

Same translation note as Hikari above - in a few words, she says "Let's walk home until our paths have to split." It still sounds awkward in English.

Coming clean

Alright, time to stop playing dumb.

Congratulations, Goons. Whether out of malice or curiosity, you have successfully voted for the most confusing, most RNG-based path in Tokimemo 2. The reason that Miho's picture in this thread was different than the others was because Miho has the worst-kept secret in Tokimemo...



There are two Mihos. Here's what I will tell you so far:

  • It is random which Miho will show up on any given day.
  • They have separate affection meters and stats.
  • The best way to tell the difference between them (in year 1, at least) is to have a good enough understanding of Japanese voice patterns to tell which one talks like Princess Zelda and which one talks like Sheik trying to talk like Princess Zelda.
  • I hate you guys.

So here's the next poll question:

Right now, I have two save games. Which should I pick up from next time?

A, where the date with Miho has her talk about Kero Kero Debeso-chan the frog and how much she loves it.

B, where the date with Miho has her act really picky about fashion.

This is not a vote on which Miho path we will go down. There is a lot of time for us to make that decision.

Next time: Miho Gear Solid: The Twin Frogs
:frogbon:

vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Feb 24, 2014

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

vibratingsheep posted:

Yes, you can walk home with the guys in Tokimemo 2. A few of these events will give you vital information about them and their goals, others will give you tips about talking to girls. And the rest of them serve well for cockblocking purposes.

The logical end point of this system is that in TM3 or 4 you'll have an extra friend who isn't interested in girls and instead teams up with you and runs interference against the other boys under your direction.

Am I close?

Striking Yak
Dec 31, 2012

vibratingsheep posted:

I hate you guys.

Amazing. I don't know what to pick, but I feel that the right choice was made. :allears:

Ygmir
Jan 27, 2012

I am voting for A

Striking Yak posted:

Amazing. I don't know what to pick, but I feel that the right choice was made. :allears:

You can thank the stream viewers for this. :getin:

Gotta Wear Shades
Jul 25, 2013

Learn to hoist a jack,
Learn to lay a track
Learn to pick and shovel too
And take my hammer, it'll do anything you tell it to
B

I know this isn't a vote for which Miho we're chasing but my stars I already can't stand the one that gets all hopped up over frogs. Seeing Mei and Homura's awesome posters, Hikari's generally positive and encouraging demeanor, and learning that the roving street gangs are afraid of Akane only makes the initial run decision even sadder for me.

So I pretty much hope frog-Miho loses because seriously, frogs?

SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

vibratingsheep posted:

There are two Mihos.

What the gently caress? That got super interesting in a flash, wasn't expecting such a twist so fast. This is awesome and I am so glad we voted for this because seriously what. Does she have dissociative identity disorder or some other plot based reason for this to happen or is the game just flat out loving with you?

Anyway, A. Kero. Seems to be the path where things went best for us, ride the success Goon! Ride it!

E: V V

Twins? Twins! I never even considered there being two actual people both pretending to be the same person. agh god what the hell is with you miho. I want new update. Enquiring minds need to know this stuff.

SuccinctAndPunchy fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Feb 24, 2014

Happy Blue
Oct 18, 2012
A. Of the many potential reasons for the two pictures, I really didn't think twins would be the one. Why are they pretending to be the same person? It's not just Goon being really dense, right?

What does this vote affect, if not which Miho's path we're going down?

Happy Blue fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Feb 26, 2014

Patware
Jan 3, 2005

Gotta Wear Shades posted:

B

I know this isn't a vote for which Miho we're chasing but my stars I already can't stand the one that gets all hopped up over frogs. Seeing Mei and Homura's awesome posters, Hikari's generally positive and encouraging demeanor, and learning that the roving street gangs are afraid of Akane only makes the initial run decision even sadder for me.

So I pretty much hope frog-Miho loses because seriously, frogs?

:frogout:
Vote A
:frogout:

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



B, not because I have anything against frogs, but for the other stuff that happened in that timeline.

So is it some DID thing, or twins, or just loving with us? Will the plot be uncovering the existence of the twins and reliably start dating just one of them, or converging/killing off the DID personalities?
I really hope it isn't DID.

(And which one does Takumi's magic stats cover? Or is that random too?)

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



B
Pretty sure this is Miho 2, Miho Harder, so I have to vote for her.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

I have no idea how we managed to get the path that made you hate us again, but I am so happy it happened. :allears:

I say we push forward from A because :getin:.

Artix
Apr 26, 2010

He's finally back,
to kick some tail!
And this time,
he's goin' to jail!
:stare:

Well, I can safely say I didn't see that coming. I'm guessing that they're twins, I don't think the game is crazy enough to throw a DID case at us. Anyway, voting B, even though I have my suspicions that we ran into Miho A during the childhood part.

Nondevor
Jun 1, 2011





catposting
B. It had the most positive results out of the two runs, and it saves one date with Miho2 in case the thread decides to go that route.

Which I'm preemptively voting for. Since the thread refused to go CRUISE CONTROL with Hikari, let's make it as difficult as possible. :unsmigghh:

sureaboutthatthing
Oct 15, 2013
A, for the frog.

l33tc4k30fd00m
Sep 5, 2004

A because frogs.

Wentley
Feb 7, 2012
B. Mwa-ha-ha!

vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

Gotta Wear Shades posted:

Seeing Mei and Homura's awesome posters, Hikari's generally positive and encouraging demeanor, and learning that the roving street gangs are afraid of Akane only makes the initial run decision even sadder for me.

Point of clarification: Mei is not a part of the Science Club - she's a year younger than everyone else. That's not her poster. One of the first things she does when she sets foot at Hibikino High is rename and reshape the Science Club.

ElTipejoLoco
Feb 27, 2013

Let me fix your avisynth scripts! It'll only take me a couple horus.
B., because I'm guessing we met both Mihos as children. I'd rather go with the one who was praying for a prince at the shrine than the one that made us keep a promise with a plush frog.
Though to be honest I'd rather have been able to pick another route, but it's too late for that.
Also, are you fine with some of your screenshots having tiny versions of yourself, vibro-sheep?

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vibratingsheep
Nov 2, 2013

Fudou, Gunzou. The Face of the Franchise Killer. 2004.

ElTipejoLoco posted:

Also, are you fine with some of your screenshots having tiny versions of yourself, vibro-sheep?

Yeah, it's fine. It's not ideal, but it's fine. I already have to keep separate sets of notes on how the batch crop in irfanview has to operate based on whether I have the game cropped to cut the black borders out or if it's on the childhood map or if it's a minigame. I'm not going to add extra steps to remove myself from the picture for when I forgot to turn off the webcam on my stream, because I have a feeling I'll be spending a lot of extra time reloading...

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