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Craptacular! posted:There isn't any way you can increase the damage of ability-button based attacks beyond the skill-up tiers and Agh's for your ult. You're really loving dumb, by the way. If you had more text in this post and said something about China I'd think you were JPJ.
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Craptacular! posted:There isn't any way you can increase the damage of ability-button based attacks beyond the skill-up tiers and Agh's for your ult. Veil, soul catcher, you're a retard, etc
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Mar 4, 2014 22:02
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killstealing posted:Veil, soul catcher, you're a retard, etc Also completely ignoring the fact that the entire point of a carry is to gather up enough farm to buff his rightclick beyond spells.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:03
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But for some real talk, the fact that 99% of spells don't scale is cool, and good, since this allows a large variety of power curves to exist instead of "everyone literally scales the same way". This means you can balance heroes that are beastly in early/mid game because they will fall off late game (and vice-versa). This allows for a lot of cool interactions and matches can sometimes be decided through teams holding out until the power curve favors them.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:03
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Srice posted:But for some real talk, the fact that 99% of spells don't scale is cool, and good Uhhhhhhh no, I'm pretty sure that's why LoL is better than Dota. There's definitely no reason for it, and there definitely is not a multitude of other differences between the two games that makes this work.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:05
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Craptacular! posted:There isn't any way you can increase the damage of ability-button based attacks beyond the skill-up tiers and Agh's for your ult. It's almost as if it's a deliberate design decision to make heroes stronger or weaker at different points in the game!
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Mar 4, 2014 22:06
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Mar 4, 2014 22:07
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8 kills in a 35 minute game, someone call the exterminator because there's a bunch of rats around.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:07
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Just for reference: Magical damage amplification items/effects: Veil of Discord, Ethereal Blade/Decrepify, Ice Vortex, Natural Order, Ancient Seal. Other damage amplification: Orchid Malevolence (magic damage only when effect ends), Penitence (physical damage, weirdly), Soul Catcher (pure damage), Flesh Golem Further, Skywrath Mage's Arcane Bolt scales with Intelligence, so it gets better and better the later the game goes.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:08
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lmao, the worst gg "He hit a lot of creeps and then he won". E: 0-3-0 clinkz 
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Mar 4, 2014 22:09
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Craptacular! posted:I could probably title that replay "Why League Is A Better Game." This is actually a good thing, as everything bad about League of Legends ('s gameplay, social issues are a different story) is an unintended consequence of making everything in the game scale dramatically with straight stat items. The tension between greatly disparate growth rates in Dota fuels the fundamental dynamics of competitive play, allows for the creation of diverse kits and playstyles, and makes it possible to frustrate the formation of a distinct, unchanging meta. If this level of uncertainty frustrates you, or you just absolutely need to be sure that your favorite character is also a carry because playing someone who doesn't scale exponentially with stat growth is beneath you, then yes, maybe League of Legends is more up your ally. But that does not make it a "Better Game."
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Mar 4, 2014 22:11
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TheQat posted:Dog is the one whose fifth member is normally Mason, right? He was put on the roster to satisfy the 3 (NOT 3/5) North American requirements. Demon says they have a 6 Man Roster. It is what it is. e: can you not have the same crappy scaling spells argument in the pro dota thread thank you
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Mar 4, 2014 22:11
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Majuju posted:Just for reference: Don't forget Stuns, Positional Movement changes, etc. Jesus christ that is the dumbest loving post I have read on the forums in a while.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:11
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Oh, I get it,. There's no real confusion or factual discrepancies here, you guys just think I have a wrong opinion. I've been posting here for months. I kind of figured I had established myself as not a troll and that having an opinion that one game did something better than the other wouldn't cause a half-page of one sentence sarcastic replies. My apologies for not understanding your autistic sensitivities. Srice posted:Source your quotes, please.
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Craptacular! posted:Oh, I get it,. There's no real confusion or factual discrepancies here, you guys just think I have a wrong opinion. Well there is so much wrong here let's parse line by line. Nobody ever said there was a factual discrepancy, you took their replies incorrectly. You didn't post an opinion that LoL did something better than Dota. You said that it is why LoL is a better game. Source your quotes is making fun of your ridiculously bad post, as in "please tell us the lovely rear end forum you pulled that post from because it can't possibility be an original thought from your brain." He's not asking you about the engine impossibility.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:13
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Craptacular! posted:Oh, I get it,. There's no real confusion or factual discrepancies here, you guys just think I have a wrong opinion. Well, you said Plasma Field could only ever hit for 370, and that's factually wrong v  v
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Mar 4, 2014 22:14
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Majuju posted:Just for reference: Not to mention buying into more burst though stuff like Dagon or diversifying your damage output with pushing power and cc effects with things like Necro minions and Shiva's, plus the other scaling abilities in the game like Nyx mana burn and Pugna wards (pseduo scaling but still). Basically if you think the game would be better by completely destroying the pacing and balancing of skills because people are crying about "  my ability damage scaling" then yeah you're dumb as a rock.
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Craptacular! posted:I kind of figured I had established myself as not a troll If you post something that factually incorrect and utterly stupid and aren't doing it to be a troll I feel bad for you.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:15
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I'm not sure why you would think the "let's watch pro dota 2" thread is an appropriate place to threadshit with "lol is a better game" but I am 100% sure it means you should get the gently caress out.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:15
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Why are you not watching League of Legends matches instead then?
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Waynebo posted:Why are you not watching League of Legends matches instead then? Maybe he's not a fan of eye-searing uglyness or anime????? heh just my opinion though guys, not a troll!
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Mar 4, 2014 22:17
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BARONS GAMES WHINER posted:eye-searing uglyness But Mirana and Slardar are in the game already. BARONS GAMES WHINER posted:or anime????? But Lina's in the game already too.
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Yardbomb posted:But Mirana's in the game already. I've been posting here for months. I kind of figured I had established myself as not a troll and that having an opinion that one game did something better than the other wouldn't cause a half-page of one sentence sarcastic replies. My apologies for not understanding your sensitivities.
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Mar 4, 2014 22:19
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How the gently caress did this even start? I mean, League vs. Dota is an argument you can have, definitely not in this thread and preferably not on these forums, but it's an argument. But it came out of nowhere that because one team won, therefore League is better? Huh?
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Mar 4, 2014 22:19
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There are few skills that do damage and nothing else. Almost every spell has a secondary effect like slows and stuns. Breathe Fire, Dragon Slave, Starfall, and Crypt Swarm are really the only spells that come to mind as just damage.
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Meat Recital posted:How the gently caress did this even start? I mean, League vs. Dota is an argument you can have, definitely not in this thread and preferably not on these forums, but it's an argument. But it came out of nowhere that because one team won, therefore League is better? Huh? Slark (supported by omniknight) got fat and killed everyone, so league is a better game.
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Soul Catcher, Penitence, Veil, etc. are different than what he's saying in regards to scaling spells (things like ability power, mostly) so please don't use those as proof he's wrong. Those are debuffs and operate in completely different ways than what he's suggesting. That being said, he is indeed completely wrong with the wc3 engine poo poo. It's possible, it's just a ton of work for something that isn't universally appealing. It's been done in YouTD and other custom maps but it's not going to happen as long as Dota 2 remains bound to wc3, similar to things like spell reflection, detecting whether damage is from a spell or attack, checking remaining cooldown time, etc.
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TheRat posted:Slark (supported by omniknight) got fat and killed everyone, so league is a better game. Hmm. Checks out. Welp wrap it up guys.
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Majuju posted:Just for reference: BARONS GAMES WHINER posted:Maybe he's not a fan of eye-searing uglyness or anime????? Meat Recital posted:How the gently caress did this even start? This is mostly actually correct, in addition to "I don't know what the gently caress is going on most of the time." Again, in my frustration over that Navi loss I blew my complaint out of proportion. I think that ability power has a place and it's more fun to watch a game be decided through flashy spellcasts rather than a Luna click a tower once and it and two barracks crumble moments later, but that's about the extent of my complaint. I don't have the expertise to say any game is "better".
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Craptacular! posted:I don't have the expertise to say any game is "better". Yet you did and were surprised when people called you the dumbest person since JPJ to post about dota. Weird huh!
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Craptacular! posted:Again, in my frustration over that Navi loss Na'vi fanboys.txt
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Craptacular! posted:Again, in my frustration over that Navi loss I blew my complaint out of proportion. I think that ability power has a place and it's more fun to watch a game be decided through flashy spellcasts rather than a Luna click a tower once and it and two barracks crumble moments later, but that's about the extent of my complaint. I don't have the expertise to say any game is "better". Luna is never in a position to right click a tower/barracks without the flashy spellcasts. Part of the reason why the post was wrong is that, in addition to the number of items that help spell damage detailed by people on this page, there is almost never a point in a match of Dota where it is just one right click to rule them all. I say almost because yes, anyone can make up a scenario where my point might not be true. But in 99% of the games it is true.
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Ah, yes, Slark, that hero that is just a right-click chassi with no other skills relevant until late-game.
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Craptacular! posted:Again, in my frustration over that Navi loss I blew my complaint out of proportion. I think that ability power has a place and it's more fun to watch a game be decided through flashy spellcasts rather than a Luna click a tower once and it and two barracks crumble moments later, but that's about the extent of my complaint. I don't have the expertise to say any game is "better". In fact there are League games going on right now! I expect a full report, minimum 5 pages, double spaced, on my desk Monday morning.
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Hmmm let's not gank the solo mid Naga once despite having CLinkz, Batrider, Vengeful Spirit and Chen haha that will work for sure. *dies* FUN GAME VALVE
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bakka bakka posted:There are few skills that do damage and nothing else. Almost every spell has a secondary effect like slows and stuns. Breathe Fire, Dragon Slave, Starfall, and Crypt Swarm are really the only spells that come to mind as just damage. Breathe Fire affects mechanical units, and Starfall has the "second random close-range unit is hit twice" thing, which sort of count, maybe. One of the things I really like about Dota (and that is particularly highlighted thanks to RADmode) is the subtle variations in skills. It makes you appreciate why Death Prophet needs levels so badly - Crypt Swarm is twice as powerful as Dragon Slave when you throw Witchcraft into the mix.
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Majuju posted:Further, Skywrath Mage's Arcane Bolt scales with Intelligence, so it gets better and better the later the game goes. Lots of abilities scale. See: all percentage based abilities, abilities that don't do damage directly (damage amp), and more! The majority of abilities are not about plain damage.
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Craptacular! posted:Oh, I get it,. There's no real confusion or factual discrepancies here, you guys just think I have a wrong opinion. Here's what you said: Craptacular! posted:I could probably title that replay "Why League Is A Better Game." Here's why that is factually incorrect: Majuju's list of Spell damage and damage amplification abilities listed earlier, AND also ultimates that are at level 16 (and sometimes with Aghs)[Death Ward, Mystic Flare, Drain Life, Finger of Death, Laguna Blade, etc.] are more than enough damage to shut down carries. In addition, your oversight is completely ignoring the incredible importance of disables, as well as positioning, evasion, vision and a lot of minor things that could just be labeled as player skill. What you said is obviously going to raise a lot of ire by LoL name-dropping, and its hard to take you too seriously after that. If you meant something different you need to say it in a better way and elaborate your point, not get defensive when people call you out on your lovely joke.
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Majuju posted:Breathe Fire affects mechanical units How have I never noticed this 
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The team I like lost and if that's not proof that this game is terrible then I don't know what is
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