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Okay, so I know really nothing about how the publishing industry works, but I assume he is under some kind of contract to write these books. Is there generally no real time frame in which he has to produce the next one? Or does he simply go to his agent when he is finished and says "Go publish it". I mean, now he definitely has the fame to pull off something like that, but when he started he was not really that well known, was he?
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Notsosubtle posted:Yea. And also, technically speaking, the ruling power can't 'start a rebellion' against its own power. So while Aerys may have overstepped into tyrannical lunacy, his vassals were still obliged to honor their vows. Whether or not their ambitions were 'pure' - whatever that means within feudalism - they still broke their vows and started a rebellion. Vassals are only obliged to honour their vows as far as the King honours his. The King isn't just the guy in charge, he's chief justice and protector of the realm. That means not breaking what little rule of law Westeros has; which he did when he executed Rickard and Brandon, and which he further pissed on when he demanded that Ned and Robert be executed as well.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:04
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jsoh posted:maybe he doesnt owe anybody poo poo but he should probably stop pretending hes writing more books. It's good to see the "ADWD will never come out" meme is back with a new title. e: You people are literally doing what the Bad Thread did so enjoy your ironic porn fan-fiction in two years!
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Mar 20, 2014 13:06
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Xenoborg posted:Based on the wiki it looks like Stannis was 17 at the start of the siege and Ned and Robert were 19. Old enough for him to be in charge, even if only technically so because it was his older brother's castle. Robb was a pretty good commander at 16. Just a terrible strategist. 
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Mar 20, 2014 13:07
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This thread is cooler when people are discussing the show and spoilers for the show rather than moaning about Martin being a slow writer ad nauseum.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:09
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e X posted:Okay, so I know really nothing about how the publishing industry works, but I assume he is under some kind of contract to write these books. Is there generally no real time frame in which he has to produce the next one? Or does he simply go to his agent when he is finished and says "Go publish it". The first three novels came out between 1996 and 2000, it was pretty standard. It was only then that it took him 11 years to write the next two books. George RR Martin posted:I am never going to be one of those "I wrote three pages today" writers. Sorry, that's not how I roll Elman fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 13:10
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AStrangeDuelist posted:Vassals are only obliged to honour their vows as far as the King honours his. The King isn't just the guy in charge, he's chief justice and protector of the realm. That means not breaking what little rule of law Westeros has; which he did when he executed Rickard and Brandon, and which he further pissed on when he demanded that Ned and Robert be executed as well. This is basically a variation of the "Who is the rightful ruler of Westeros" argument. In the end, like every Civil War, it comes down to different interpretation bout what the primary rules of law are. Elman posted:The first three novels came out between 1996 and 2000, it was pretty standard. It was only then that it took him 11 years to write the next two books. I know that, what I wanted to know is how his contract, or publishing contracts in general, work for a multi book deal. I don't really believe that his publisher is basically fine with having him take whatever time he needs to write these books, they must have an interest in getting these out while the hype is still there. Also, yes, this weird GRRM hate is really poisonous. It's fun to read and discuss thee books, but I wont lose any sleep if I never find out who is going to be the king of Westeros in the end, or if I find out through a book a TV show. e X fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 13:17
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e X posted:I know that, what I wanted to know is how his contract, or publishing contracts in general, work for a multi book deal. I don't really believe that his publisher is basically fine with having him take whatever time he needs to write these books, they must have an interest in getting these out while the hype is still there. Well, he originally planned for three books, right? So assume the original contract was done at the end of Storm. Now he's in free territory, and the publisher is making mad bank off his series so they aren't too concerned, though they would clearly like more books for more income. I seem to recall he mentioned his publisher being antsy for Dance, though I suspect that may have had something to do with the TV show coming out.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:29
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Well, he originally planned for three books, right? So assume the original contract was done at the end of Storm. Now he's in free territory, and the publisher is making mad bank off his series so they aren't too concerned, though they would clearly like more books for more income. I seem to recall he mentioned his publisher being antsy for Dance, though I suspect that may have had something to do with the TV show coming out. He was actually several months late for Storm as well. e: If you really want to blame someone other than GRRM blame physical paper, if it could hold 1100 pages we would've had the equivalent of the past two books back in 2006.
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Mar 20, 2014 13:33
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Why don't they print on that super thin stuff that bibles are printed on?
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Mar 20, 2014 15:05
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I assume vellum or whatever that is just isn't cost-effective for a mass-market novel. Bibles are sold at a loss, I'm sure.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:14
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Elman posted:The first three novels came out between 1996 and 2000, it was pretty standard. It was only then that it took him 11 years to write the next two books. He also learned how to make an app, which is being released today.... http://io9.com/tyrion-isnt-having-a-great-day-in-that-new-winds-of-wi-1547807090
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Mar 20, 2014 15:19
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So to change the subject, here's a silly theory I read somewhere: Hodor is the result of a dog warging into a human, then having his original dog body killed so he's trapped there. It explains why he's so dim witted yet loyal, and why he can only say one thing.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:26
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The fact that we still have region locked apps in 2014 is loving disgraceful. I've been wanting to check it out for ages but apparently publishers are too childish to allow that.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:30
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geeves posted:He also learned how to make an app, which is being released today.... Not surprisingly this app is a piece of poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2014 15:45
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Here's a short scene from what I assume is Episode 1 featuring New Daario. I did you guys the liberty of skipping through two and a half minutes of Jimmy Fallon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBov-5gP1Vs&t=151s Oh Dany, you card 
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Mar 20, 2014 16:19
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Daario v2 isn't slimy enough 
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Mar 20, 2014 16:20
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Haha that scene is great. I'm getting a very "Troy and Abed best buds 4-ever" vibe from Daario and Grey Worm.
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Mar 20, 2014 16:44
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computer parts posted:It's good to see the "ADWD will never come out" meme is back with a new title. Come April we'll be talking about the show and when the season is over, back to "GRRM will never finish the books"/speculation on how many characters and plots will be cut. Also, new Daario looks a lot less slimy than the other one; he seems more likable, but I loved to hate slimy Daario
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Mar 20, 2014 17:05
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radlum posted:Also, new Daario looks a lot less slimy than the other one It's telling how everyone else's reaction to Daario is "goddammit Dany, I kow you're a 16 year old girl but just... goddammit". He's supposed to be slimy.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:13
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Old Daario's looks and mannerisms were perfect because every girl I knew was like "oh, that guy is so hot" and I just thought "what? that dude seems like a massive dickhead." That's what Daario is, women want to gently caress him and men think he's a prick. The new guy is so handsome and cool that even I'd gently caress him. And that ain't right. Lovechop fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 17:22
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I don't think it matters much. The whole Daario being a slimy douche never really paid off in the books, and I have no reason to believe it will in future books. He was just an arogant douche that Dany had an affair with. But over all he was pretty loyal to her and didn't really cause too many problems for her. He's probably dead now anyway.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:28
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Gianthogweed posted:He's probably dead now anyway. That never happens in this series "We think he's dead. Some people are saying he's dead. This one guy totally heard he was dead. My friend knows this guy who saw him get killed. It's been months since anyone's seen him, he's got to be dead..." This is never followed by "Oh, hey, look, his dead body", and is instead always followed by "What?! It can't be!! We all thought you were dead!"
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Mar 20, 2014 17:56
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timp posted:That never happens in this series Well, the opposite is true too. "The Hound is alive and well, I saw him at the massacre at saltpans".
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Mar 20, 2014 18:09
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Elman posted:The first three novels came out between 1996 and 2000, it was pretty standard. It was only then that it took him 11 years to write the next two books. I think you're taking that quote out of context. GRRM wrote it in a blog post where he explains he rarely gives updates on his works unless something is finished. "I am never going to be one of those 'I wrote three pages today' writers" doesn't mean he's the sort of writer who writes at least three pages every day. It means he's not going to give regular status updates on what he's working on.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:26
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Gianthogweed posted:Well, the opposite is true too. "The Hound is alive and well, I saw him at the massacre at saltpans". How is that the opposite though? Sandor is quite alive.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:29
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timp posted:That never happens in this series
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Mar 20, 2014 18:32
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emanresu tnuocca posted:How is that the opposite though? Sandor is quite alive. Because that's not the Hound, it's just some guy wearing Sandor's helm and using his reputation to their benefit. The real Hound that was Sandor is dead since Sandor Clegane is "at peace."
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Mar 20, 2014 18:35
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Narmi posted:Because that's not the Hound, it's just some guy wearing Sandor's helm and using someone else reputation to their benefit. It's not the opposite of 'This guy is rumored to be dead, oh look, turns out he's been alive all along!' Sandor Clegane is rumored to be dead, turned out he's actually alive. That's exactly the same trope as above. The fact that the persona of the hound has been assumed be other individuals is just some misdirection.
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Mar 20, 2014 18:37
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Well, he originally planned for three books, right? So assume the original contract was done at the end of Storm. Now he's in free territory, and the publisher is making mad bank off his series so they aren't too concerned, though they would clearly like more books for more income. I seem to recall he mentioned his publisher being antsy for Dance, though I suspect that may have had something to do with the TV show coming out. I was under the impression that GRRM fired his editor after ASoS. It explains a lot if he was irritated at an editor riding his rear end and cutting his precious paragraphs. Once his series was successful enough for him to have clout and leverage, he did away with those pesky quality-assurance people. And then we got the next two books over the following 11 years 
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Mar 20, 2014 18:38
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Propaganda Machine posted:I was under the impression that GRRM fired his editor after ASoS. It explains a lot if he was irritated at an editor riding his rear end and cutting his precious paragraphs. Once his series was successful enough for him to have clout and leverage, he did away with those pesky quality-assurance people.
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Mar 20, 2014 19:43
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Propaganda Machine posted:I was under the impression that GRRM fired his editor after ASoS. Probably not, there was an interview with his editor who has worked with all five books in the series: http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/07/dance-interview-with-george-r-r-martin-editor-anne-groell.html
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Mar 20, 2014 19:49
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Nope. http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/07/dance-interview-with-george-r-r-martin-editor-anne-groell.html quote:Anne Groell has been George’s editor from the very beginning, when the manuscript for A Game of Thrones hit her desk. Since then she has edited all five volumes of A Song of Ice & Fire, being an integral—but ninja-like—presence in a series that is growing in fandom by the hour. As a result of her job, she has read A Dance With Dragons more times than anyone. I believe that she's the person who suggested pulling the two battles from the end of ADwD. e: beaten, of course 
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Mar 20, 2014 19:50
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colonel_korn posted:I believe that she's the person who suggested pulling the two battles from the end of ADwD. I'm... actually kind of paralyzed on whether that was a good choice to make. On the one hand, yeah that book was plenty long enough. On the other hand, you're telling me that something could have happened in ADwD??? 
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Mar 20, 2014 19:53
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A Jaime/Cersei clip that was shown during some talk show interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EUiA5inImw
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Mar 20, 2014 20:02
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loquacius posted:I'm... actually kind of paralyzed on whether that was a good choice to make. On the one hand, yeah that book was plenty long enough. On the other hand, you're telling me that something could have happened in ADwD??? I don't know if people remember this, but he finished ADwD in his publisher's office after being dragged there and sat in front of a computer to get the drat book done. That makes sense since they were trying to go for a publishing date to line up with the premiere of the show, so they would suddenly need him to finish it. I can see them looking at the progress on those battles and deciding to just cut them in the interest of time.
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Mar 20, 2014 20:10
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's not the opposite of 'This guy is rumored to be dead, oh look, turns out he's been alive all along!' The statement "The Hound is alive and well, I saw him at the massacre at saltpans" is false because they're referring to the Hound that was Sandor (and who Brienne was specifically looking for too), and we know that Sandor the Hound is no more. I'm not arguing with the fact that Sandor is alive after being believed dead, I'm saying that the Hound that was a part of Sandor, i.e. the Hound that everybody refers to, is dead. The fact that's it's misdirection is relevant because Sandor and the Hound are no longer the same person. Narmi fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 20, 2014 |
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Mar 20, 2014 20:25
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I think this has been stated before but a show only ending might be best at this point. It will serve as an editor and hopefully extract all the best parts of GRRM's story and leave out the neeps and nuncles. Martin can still get into all the detail he wants in his GRRMarillion thing (which hopefully will include the whole Stark/Bolton feud from it's beginning).
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Mar 20, 2014 20:28
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nooneofconsequence posted:Sounds like a trope needing of subversion. Nothing would make me more interested in TWoW if it turned out Jon was actually dead, and all attempts to revive him either fail (he wargs into Ghost who then gets the Grey Wind treatment) or go horribly wrong (he becomes a warped abomination like Stoneheart and leads the Others through the Wall Night's King style). Of course, it would go against all the buildup, foreshadowing and hints the series has dropped so far but that's what'd make it so interesting! Let's see what happens when both in-universe prophecy and narrative structure go off the rails! The fact that the actual ending will probably roughly follow one of the bigger fan theories that incorporates all the foreshadowing and plot structures is kind of a letdown.
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Dolash posted:Nothing would make me more interested in TWoW if it turned out Jon was actually dead, and all attempts to revive him either fail (he wargs into Ghost who then gets the Grey Wind treatment) or go horribly wrong (he becomes a warped abomination like Stoneheart and leads the Others through the Wall Night's King style). Of course, it would go against all the buildup, foreshadowing and hints the series has dropped so far but that's what'd make it so interesting! Let's see what happens when both in-universe prophecy and narrative structure go off the rails! I wonder if the rise of internet discussion kind of ruined it for GRRM as well. A lot of the good fan theories are based on solid evidence and allusions that may not have been picked up by that many people if so many people weren't looking at the book with a magnifying glass and then posting about it online. I can see him relishing the idea of revealing this stuff and then being bummed out when a lot of people sussed out the information.
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