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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Doctor Chaxtical posted:

How is that him justifying it?

It wasn't that bad of superpower bully episode compared to Crimea.

I guess part of being president is being forced to praise the fuckups of the previous administration as sound foreign policy.

etalian fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 27, 2014

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New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

etalian posted:

It wasn't that bad of superpower bully episode compared to Crimea.

I guess part of being president is being forced to praise the fuckups of the previous administration as sound foreign policy.

Not to mention making sure that none of them get nailed for war crimes like approving of torture.

Runaktla
Feb 21, 2007

by Hand Knit
He did not praise the fuckups of the previous administration.

He basically said he was not for Iraq, but at least it was done better than Russia did Crimea.

Keep on keepin' on trolling though.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Well you can't compare the two situations since the Russians haven't constructed a naked men pyramid yet.

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

ayn rand hand job posted:

Someone asked when it became trendy.

Oh, right. Ok.

Also, how the hell was the Iraq War within the international system. Didn't the Bush administration basically tell everyone else to gently caress off?

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
The US still uses strings when trying to make our puppets. Putin's just slamming his fist straight-up the rear end and that's rude.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

1stGear posted:

The US still uses strings when trying to make our puppets. Putin's just slamming his fist straight-up the rear end and that's rude.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/thanks-for-being-so-cool-about-everything,35584/

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
So Youtube just recommended this video to me. It's in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mug1Mx7sKHQ

It's called "Ukraine - see what kind of Europe awaits you!" and is blatant propaganda, and as such is pretty entertaining. It follows the classic format for propaganda of two debating voices. The woman in this one is pro-european, saying things like, "But everyone is always smiling! And they have such modern infrastructure!" while the man has an anti-EU, anti-capitalist answer, saying things like, "Those supposed sound barriers on the highway are actually there to hide from sight the wretched hovels where the average european lives, prostituting themselves and burning wood for heat because their salaries have been ravaged by the EU!"

"Look at these barbed wire fences and guard towers!"
"But they are just surrounding a field of vegetables"
"A field of vegetables less than 50 km from the birthplace of Hitler!"
(actual quote)

I highly recommend this if you can understand Russian; it's like a modern day Reefer Madness.

Towards the end a rat-faced mulleted Italian peasant explains the plan for Ukraine - "It would be great if they joined because of all the resources in Ukraine! We can exploit all their highly educated men and attractive women in our factories and brothels!"

twoday fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Mar 27, 2014

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

twoday posted:

So Youtube just recommended this video to me. It's in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Qrji1uJZI

It's called "Ukraine - see what kind of Europe awaits you!" and is blatant propaganda, and as such is pretty entertaining. It follows the classic format for propaganda of two debating voices. The woman in this one is pro-european, saying things like, "But everyone is always smiling! And they have such modern infrastructure!" while the man has an anti-EU, anti-capitalist answer, saying things like, "Those supposed sound barriers on the highway are actually there to hide from sight the wretched hovels where the average european lives, prostituting themselves and burning wood for heat because their salaries have been ravaged by the EU!"

"Look at these barbed wire fences and guard towers!"
"But they are just surrounding a field of vegetables"
"A field of vegetables less than 50 km from the birthplace of Hitler!"
(actual quote)

I highly recommend this if you can understand Russian; it's like a modern day Reefer Madness.

The greatest piece of propaganda is still the one with small penis devil being on the EU side of the picture.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

ChaosSamusX posted:

Oh, right. Ok.

Also, how the hell was the Iraq War within the international system. Didn't the Bush administration basically tell everyone else to gently caress off?

It was totally outside of the international system. We ignored the UN and went in with that farcical coalition of the willing, knowing drat well that the UN would be forced to accept what happened after the fact. After all, who's gonna enact economic sanctions against the U.S.? No one.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


twoday posted:

So Youtube just recommended this video to me. It's in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Qrji1uJZI

It's called "Ukraine - see what kind of Europe awaits you!" and is blatant propaganda, and as such is pretty entertaining. It follows the classic format for propaganda of two debating voices. The woman in this one is pro-european, saying things like, "But everyone is always smiling! And they have such modern infrastructure!" while the man has an anti-EU, anti-capitalist answer, saying things like, "Those supposed sound barriers on the highway are actually there to hide from sight the wretched hovels where the average european lives, prostituting themselves and burning wood for heat because their salaries have been ravaged by the EU!"

"Look at these barbed wire fences and guard towers!"
"But they are just surrounding a field of vegetables"
"A field of vegetables less than 50 km from the birthplace of Hitler!"
(actual quote)

I highly recommend this if you can understand Russian; it's like a modern day Reefer Madness.

That's the right sector guy recently found executed right?

Edit: can't watch video where I'm at, no clue

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Berke Negri posted:

That's the right sector guy recently found executed right?

Edit: can't watch video where I'm at, no clue

Sorry, I had the wrong link, it's fixed.

etalian posted:

The greatest piece of propaganda is still the one with small penis devil being on the EU side of the picture.

This is pretty much an hour long video version of that painting.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

New Division posted:

It was totally outside of the international system. We ignored the UN and went in with that farcical coalition of the willing, knowing drat well that the UN would be forced to accept what happened after the fact. After all, who's gonna enact economic sanctions against the U.S.? No one.

Wrong thread.

az
Dec 2, 2005

At night this thread is like Gizmo if you feed it after midnight, and then drown it in the tub. To add to the Obama derail, his prescreening detail are the worst people in the world. If he ever comes back to Berlin I will take a month of sickdays in advance.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Since there are non-news, I guess I can post this (from the morning):
http://www.unian.net/world/900768-anneksiya-kryima-uvelichila-reyting-putina-na-tret-opros.html:
A poll taken on 23rd shows a +20% jump in Putin's reelect from 44% to 64% from the whole Crimea thing.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

OddObserver posted:

Since there are non-news, I guess I can post this (from the morning):
http://www.unian.net/world/900768-anneksiya-kryima-uvelichila-reyting-putina-na-tret-opros.html:
A poll taken on 23rd shows a +20% jump in Putin's reelect from 44% to 64% from the whole Crimea thing.

It's pretty much a rule of thumb that people love "successful" military adventures.

rockopete
Jan 19, 2005

Interesting pictures I haven't seen before from Mezhyhirya in here and how it has impacted the political situation in Ukraine, a sense of "this is exactly the thing we need to destroy", and some good footage and interviews with everyday people as well as types like Tyahnibok of Svoboda

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/can-ukraine-overcome-division-and-corruption/

Start at 3:35 unless you want to go over Obama's speech as well.

rockopete fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 27, 2014

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

etalian posted:

It's pretty much a rule of thumb that people love "successful" military adventures.

Also to be frank, the Russian population in general sees Crimea as "Russian" at least on an emotional level. The biggest gain for Putin seems to have been domestic support, which I assumed was his reasoning from the beginning.

New Division
Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

Discendo Vox posted:

Wrong thread.

Hey, Obama brought it up in a speech in the subject, so obviously it has some relevance.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Ardennes posted:

Also to be frank, the Russian population in general sees Crimea as "Russian" at least on an emotional level. The biggest gain for Putin seems to have been domestic support, which I assumed was his reasoning from the beginning.

Yeah it was pretty much a successful message of liberating ethnic Russians from evil Ukrainians who were planning to abuse and kill them.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

etalian posted:

The greatest piece of propaganda is still the one with small penis devil being on the EU side of the picture.

The what?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

OddObserver posted:

Since there are non-news, I guess I can post this (from the morning):
http://www.unian.net/world/900768-anneksiya-kryima-uvelichila-reyting-putina-na-tret-opros.html:
A poll taken on 23rd shows a +20% jump in Putin's reelect from 44% to 64% from the whole Crimea thing.

Times of national crisis or military adventure tend to have a rally-around-the-flag effect. Thing is, it doesn't necessarily last:



Bush's approval ratings. H.W. also hit 90% in the early stages of the first Iraq war, but was out of office two years later.

Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Mar 27, 2014

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Who is that with the wings anyway, the boy Putin kissed?

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

SedanChair posted:

Who is that with the wings anyway, the boy Putin kissed?

Just a wholesome Slavic :dings:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

SedanChair posted:

Who is that with the wings anyway, the boy Putin kissed?

He's only there because Obama made sure there were no survivors.

Edit: poo poo, thought this was the cartoons thread. Um, ignore that joke everyone, it would be terrible even if you did get the reference,

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen

twoday posted:

So Youtube just recommended this video to me. It's in Russian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mug1Mx7sKHQ

It's called "Ukraine - see what kind of Europe awaits you!" and is blatant propaganda, and as such is pretty entertaining. It follows the classic format for propaganda of two debating voices. The woman in this one is pro-european, saying things like, "But everyone is always smiling! And they have such modern infrastructure!" while the man has an anti-EU, anti-capitalist answer, saying things like, "Those supposed sound barriers on the highway are actually there to hide from sight the wretched hovels where the average european lives, prostituting themselves and burning wood for heat because their salaries have been ravaged by the EU!"

"Look at these barbed wire fences and guard towers!"
"But they are just surrounding a field of vegetables"
"A field of vegetables less than 50 km from the birthplace of Hitler!"
(actual quote)

I highly recommend this if you can understand Russian; it's like a modern day Reefer Madness.

Towards the end a rat-faced mulleted Italian peasant explains the plan for Ukraine - "It would be great if they joined because of all the resources in Ukraine! We can exploit all their highly educated men and attractive women in our factories and brothels!"
Why do they combine footage of people biking with a Nazi marching song?

Is it like an American thing? "LOOK AT THOSE EUROPEAN FAGGOTS (ALSO NAZIS) WITH THEIR BIKES"

Dusty Baker 2
Jul 8, 2011

Keyboard Inghimasi

etalian posted:

Well you can't compare the two situations since the Russians haven't constructed a naked men pyramid yet.

Honestly I think not building a naked man pyramid is a war crime.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Doctor Chaxtical posted:

Honestly I think not building a naked man pyramid is a war crime.

it's also a work of art if you put pavel patel at the top of the pyramid.

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

CSM posted:

Why do they combine footage of people biking with a Nazi marching song?

Is it like an American thing? "LOOK AT THOSE EUROPEAN FAGGOTS (ALSO NAZIS) WITH THEIR BIKES"

No, it's more a poverty thing. "See what happens when you embrace the nazi human being lifestyle?? You won't be able to afford a car!! And if you can afford a car you will be sleeping in it because then you won't be able to afford an apartment. Also there will be black people nearby!"

I just noticed that there is a part where they are saying that the headlines of various European newspapers have shown how the continent is being ravaged by poverty, and a bunch of newspaper articles appear on screen. The English example they use is a headline like, "airplane struck by lightning near Bristol" but who cares, neither the people who made this or their intended audience can read English.

az
Dec 2, 2005

twoday posted:

No, it's more a poverty thing. "See what happens when you embrace the nazi human being lifestyle?? You won't be able to afford a car!! And if you can afford a car you will be sleeping in it because then you won't be able to afford an apartment. Also there will be black people nearby!"

I just noticed that there is a part where they are saying that the headlines of various European newspapers have shown how the continent is being ravaged by poverty, and a bunch of newspaper articles appear on screen. The English example they use is a headline like, "airplane struck by lightning near Bristol" but who cares, neither the people who made this or their intended audience can read English.

That streak of Russian propaganda accusing western Europe of all those things could be replaced by an hour loop of the growing ironicat.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Doctor Chaxtical posted:

Honestly I think not building a naked man pyramid is a war crime.

Is all this anti-gay bullshit really just insecurity about traditional, manly Russian dance?

I'm just asking questions.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

twoday posted:

No, it's more a poverty thing. "See what happens when you embrace the nazi human being lifestyle?? You won't be able to afford a car!! And if you can afford a car you will be sleeping in it because then you won't be able to afford an apartment. Also there will be black people nearby!"

I just noticed that there is a part where they are saying that the headlines of various European newspapers have shown how the continent is being ravaged by poverty, and a bunch of newspaper articles appear on screen. The English example they use is a headline like, "airplane struck by lightning near Bristol" but who cares, neither the people who made this or their intended audience can read English.

it's basically a hilarious recycling of old Soviet era propaganda themes which depicted the west as being a crime ravaged poverty filled hellhole

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

SedanChair posted:

Is all this anti-gay bullshit really just insecurity about traditional, manly Russian dance?

I'm just asking questions.

Couldn't possibly be that.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?

etalian posted:

it's basically a hilarious recycling of old Soviet era propaganda themes which depicted the west as being a crime ravaged poverty filled hellhole

Speaking of Soviet era, Putin signed a decree this Monday to restore the GTO system - under the old name, no less.

In combination with ITAR-TASS going back to its old name of TASS and other institutions scrambling to switch back to their Soviet names (for instance, ВВЦ becoming ВДНХ again), I would not be surprised if that Simpsons gif became reality within a year or two.

az
Dec 2, 2005

"I'll have the Soviet Union with a side of Oligarchy, but hold the socialism and the communism. Oh and pour some hyper nationalism over the whole thing, I love that!"

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Sir John Falstaff posted:

Times of national crisis or military adventure tend to have a rally-around-the-flag effect. Thing is, it doesn't necessarily last:



Bush's approval ratings. H.W. also hit 90% in the early stages of the first Iraq war, but was out of office two years later.

It hit 90% after 9/11, and then got a bump after Iraq, but yeah you can even see a bump after e surge in the end years. Really around the flag effect is like 101 stuff and if you see anyone uncritically reporting it as a sign you can write them off.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Ephemeron posted:

Speaking of Soviet era, Putin signed a decree this Monday to restore the GTO system - under the old name, no less.

In combination with ITAR-TASS going back to its old name of TASS and other institutions scrambling to switch back to their Soviet names (for instance, ВВЦ becoming ВДНХ again), I would not be surprised if that Simpsons gif became reality within a year or two.

Maybe Europe and everyone around them will follow suit, throttle their bandwidth, and give them pre-1989 internet speeds. :unsmigghh:

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

OhYeah posted:

On vaguely related news, Denmark has also decided to send additional F-16 fighters to guard the Baltic airspace as a sign of solidarity. It hasn't been officially confirmed yet, but as it was being mentioned already last week I guess it's happening.

I'm not sure if we should be flattered or worried.
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HellishWhiskers
Mar 29, 2012

She was an awkward girl

Absolutely not

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