|
The "Ohhh yeah charitable contributions will totally make up for our attempted welfare/public works budget slashing!" thing is pretty infuriating to me because they're sort of tacitly approving welfare/public works stuff as a Good Thing (which would get them crucified by their base) while simultaneously gleefully hamstringing or destroying the programs.
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 17:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 02:56 |
|
|
joepinetree posted:As far as I know, none of the currently implemented school voucher systems in the US allow kids to choose another public school to attend. The way they've been implemented is that families under a certain income threshold can choose to take their kids out of their local public school and get a voucher to enroll them at a private one. Los Angeles has a non-voucher system to provide school choice to students in specific geographic boundaries: http://zoc-lausd-ca.schoolloop.com/ Most of these are public schools (including magnet and pilot schools, which are in-district). There are some charters using co-location that may be on the site of a public school. Generally, the idea is a student at least has a choice for a public high school (usual a small learning community/academy/interest program) that meets their interests. Since the schools are in the same general area, you can argue if they're getting a "real" choice or whether it's an out for a "bad" school. The broader issue of vouchers and Michele Rhee-like "student choice" just moves the poo poo around. It's a stopgap fix for a systematic failing of students in the public school system. I mean, somewhere along the way you realize that some kid can't read because they didn't receive foundational support and hit a wall in high school. There's also a lot to be said about alternative schooling to deal with fringe cases -- (like the student that shows up twice a week, spends most of the time hiding out in the bathroom, etc etc).
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:02
|
|
|
FilthyImp posted:The broader issue of vouchers and Michele Rhee-like "student choice" just moves the poo poo around. It's a stopgap fix for a systematic failing of students in the public school system. I mean, somewhere along the way you realize that some kid can't read because they didn't receive foundational support and hit a wall in high school.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:13
|
|
|
Charter schools are economic rent seeking. You have to go to school, I have the school, so pay up because you have to go to school. It is as textbook as the literal textbook example of the baron guarding the river. And if you think we will get competition from rent seekers rather than cartel actions to lock in a relative margin look at every other rent seeking body out there.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:18
|
|
|
FilthyImp posted:The broader issue of vouchers and Michele Rhee-like "student choice" just moves the poo poo around. It's a stopgap fix for a systematic failing of students in the public school system. I mean, somewhere along the way you realize that some kid can't read because they didn't receive foundational support and hit a wall in high school. "School choice" is a segregationist throwback to the anti-busing protests and riots. The only thing it's a fix for is white students having to occupy the same building (because the way gifted/AP class placement works there's little chance they'll actually interact) with poors and minorities.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:21
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:Charter schools are economic rent seeking. You have to go to school, I have the school, so pay up because you have to go to school. It is as textbook as the literal textbook example of the baron guarding the river.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:23
|
|
|
Jindal, Paul, and Santorum are all going to appear at the Iowa GOP convention in June http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/07/three-address-iowa-gop/7407945/ Someone post the "it's happening!" Gif
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:24
|
|
|
There was a press conference" the minimum wage bill in mn this morning, you'll never guess what the Republican response was focused on... obamacare! Well, really MNSure, but they are really fixated on this story of the governor knowing it was going to have problems and letting it go live anyways. I don't see anyone biting on it, and MNSure is one of the more successful state programs so good luck with that Republicans! Also one of/the lead Republican candidate for governor said he would work to repeal the COL indexing and possibly repeal the minimum wage increase altogether, which I do not see going over well.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:45
|
|
|
I know this thread was bonkers for Alpha House, so lemme plug Veep here. It is a hilarious, deeply cynical take on American politics, I feel like y'all would love it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:51
|
|
|
gently caress You And Diebold posted:There was a press conference" the minimum wage bill in mn this morning, you'll never guess what the Republican response was focused on... obamacare! Well, really MNSure, but they are really fixated on this story of the governor knowing it was going to have problems and letting it go live anyways. I don't see anyone biting on it, and MNSure is one of the more successful state programs so good luck with that Republicans! Also one of/the lead Republican candidate for governor said he would work to repeal the COL indexing and possibly repeal the minimum wage increase altogether, which I do not see going over well. Adding this to the list as one more reason this state is better than Wisconsin.  I'm really pleased they got the inflation index into the main bill and didn't have to wrangle it into a Constitutional Amendment on the ballot.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 18:59
|
|
|
zoux posted:I know this thread was bonkers for Alpha House, so lemme plug Veep here. It is a hilarious, deeply cynical take on American politics, I feel like y'all would love it. I'm Hendrixposting so brevity but I concur. It's a really, really funny show. Less partisan than The Thick of It, which wasn't explicitly partisan except that you could clearly categorize the cast, whereas with Veep all the policy topics are milquetoast center-center-left uncontroversial things. It's got a different sensibility than Alpha House, which is way more rooted in actual political context rather than a "politics" atmosphere.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 19:06
|
|
|
The Warszawa posted:It's got a different sensibility than Alpha House, which is way more rooted in actual political context rather than a "politics" atmosphere.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 19:08
|
|
|
"Thad Cochran... Jimmy Carter... hmmm, are they brothers?" wonders the Club for Growth in its new ad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1y0zWGMU_g
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 19:14
|
|
|
JT Jag posted:I mean christ one of the main cast members in Alpha House is Literally Marco Rubio By A Different Name. Everyone in alpha house is a member with a different name. It is part of why it is glorious
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 19:37
|
|
|
Ugh these freaking people are impossible to reason with. Am I allowed to join the Democratic party but still vote for Jeb Bush in 2016??? Or would I just be swapping RINO derision for DINO derision???
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:02
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:Ugh these freaking people are impossible to reason with. Why the gently caress would anyone vote for Jeb Bush? Did you just blank out your memory between 2001 and 2008? Or do you think we need more successful terror attacks, more kidnap torture kill squads, more wars, more intentional inflation of destructive financial bubbles, more bailouts, more crumbling infrastructure, more spies outed for political points, more naked graft, more fictitious and politically motivated lawsuits against other parties, more using counterterror assets against anti war protestors, abuse of eminent domain to seize private assets, more destruction of cities and more private appropriation of public assets? Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 7, 2014 |
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:04
|
|
|
Christies former bestie is talking to the Feds http://www.vox.com/2014/4/7/5590690/reports-ex-christie-aide-david-wildstein-talking-to-federal-prosecutor
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:05
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:Gallup has released a new poll on the ACA. Big news is the impact it is having on the number of uninsured - it is down 3.2 percentage points so far Put that image of Ron Paul sitting in the folding chair looking sad in the foreground with the flashing lights in the background.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:05
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:Everyone in alpha house is a member with a different name. It is part of why it is glorious Not quite everyone. Haven't heard anything close to the Gil Jon speech from any republican politician.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:06
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:Ugh these freaking people are impossible to reason with. 2016 Bush v. Clinton II: Plus ça change
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:08
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:Christies former bestie is talking to the Feds Look, this guy talked out of turn in middle-school social studies, I'm not sure we can trust him.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:08
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:Why the gently caress would anyone vote for Jeb Bush? Did you just blank out your memory between 2001 and 2008? He was governor of my state from 1999-2006. And he was fine. And I cannot stand Hillary Clinton.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:08
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:He was governor of my state from 1999-2006. And he was fine. And I cannot stand Hillary Clinton. How come?
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:09
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:Ugh these freaking people are impossible to reason with. Do you potentially want more people like Scalia, Thomas, and Alito on the supreme court? If so, vote Jeb, go hog wild.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:11
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:He was governor of my state from 1999-2006. And he was fine. And I cannot stand Hillary Clinton. "Fine" ignores mass voter suppression and abuse of us attorneys for partisan political purposes and private appropriation of public assets. Plus all the other stuff I listed above.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:14
|
|
|
I just did some googling and realized that he wasn't joking, Jeb Bush is apparently considering a run? This is a real thing. In 2016 the best this country can do for a presidential race is Bush v. Clinton II. God help us all.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:14
|
|
|
It probably wouldn't have been a thing if Christie hadn't poo poo the bed. But as a wise man once said, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want or might wish to have at a later time.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:15
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just did some googling and realized that he wasn't joking, Jeb Bush is apparently considering a run? Don't look up George P. Bush, who will usher in the next generation of George Bushes being in government.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:16
|
|
|
Rauri posted:Do you potentially want more people like Scalia, Thomas, and Alito on the supreme court? If so, vote Jeb, go hog wild. Ideally, no, but more people like Ginsburg, Sotamayor, and Kagan could mean tipping the 5-4 balance when it comes to the second amendment. And the 5-4 balance already is against property rights (Kennedy joined the majority in Kelo). The former 3 don't have resumes any more impressive than the latter when it comes to bad decisions and pissing on civil liberties. When it comes to SCOTUS nominees, it's a wash either way, unless I get selfish and only think about which side's terrible civil liberties rulings are more apt to impact me personally.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:17
|
|
|
hangedman1984 posted:Not quite everyone. Haven't heard anything close to the Gil Jon speech from any republican politician. Gil John is that dude in Oklahoma who just said that making it difficult for women to buy birth control is bullshit because men can buy jimmy hats at any age. "This isn't the republican party I originally joined" All the left wing websites are blowin up about him.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:17
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just did some googling and realized that he wasn't joking, Jeb Bush is apparently considering a run? His statement on immigration yesterday as an "act of love" is blasted all over brietbart and his support of common core has the nutjobs howling
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:18
|
|
|
comes along bort posted:It probably wouldn't have been a thing if Christie hadn't poo poo the bed. But as a wise man once said, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want or might wish to have at a later time. Eh, Christie's just one of about twenty or thirty up-and-coming Republican pseudostars who have managed to poo poo their own beds one way or another, ranging from Sanford to Rubio to Cruz to Cain. Some of them just fell to the circular firing squad, some are corrupt, some are incompetent. For that matter, the Bushes and Clintons have managed to poo poo their own beds, too, it's just they have enough name recognition to (possibly) get away with it. (To answer the "how has Hillary poo poo the bed? question: 1) loving up health care the first time, 2) supporting the Iraq war, 3) getting beaten by Obama when she should have had it locked up, which doesn't speak well of her competence). What's the old rephrasing of Orwell? The future history of this country may be a palm slapping a human forehead, forever?
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:21
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:... I've been posting about it here for a week since Costa started talking it. He and Hillary are besties over Common Core. They recently appeared together in an non-adversarial education discussion.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:23
|
|
|
Fried Chicken posted:
Yes. Yes it does. It was (1) true, and (2) conveniently very politically shrewd. BOY DID I STEP IN IT TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO SOME PEOPLE.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:27
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:Ideally, no, but more people like Ginsburg, Sotamayor, and Kagan could mean tipping the 5-4 balance when it comes to the second amendment. And the 5-4 balance already is against property rights (Kennedy joined the majority in Kelo). The former 3 don't have resumes any more impressive than the latter when it comes to bad decisions and pissing on civil liberties. But more seriously I am sure there are Democratic groups that will be about as pro-2A as you could want, although mysteriously many of them may have gotten flipped in favor of Tea Party maniacs lately.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:28
|
|
|
If Bush wins and the Republicans take the senate, Obamacare's going to get repealed and replaced with nothing, including the Medicaid expansion, no pre existing conditions, and no lifetime maximums. If you have a soul that really shouldn't be cool with you.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:31
|
|
|
Chris Christie posted:Ideally, no, but more people like Ginsburg, Sotamayor, and Kagan could mean tipping the 5-4 balance when it comes to the second amendment. And the 5-4 balance already is against property rights (Kennedy joined the majority in Kelo). The former 3 don't have resumes any more impressive than the latter when it comes to bad decisions and pissing on civil liberties. Now, I hope you understand that I'm saying this as a gun owning democrat (that loves the poo poo out of trap shooting), but really shut the gently caress up about the god drat second amendment.   No one is going to take your loving guns while Hillary is in office if she wins in 2016.*e:*Provided you're not committing felonies or things like that. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 7, 2014 |
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:36
|
|
|
Monkey Fracas posted:The "Ohhh yeah charitable contributions will totally make up for our attempted welfare/public works budget slashing!" thing is pretty infuriating to me because they're sort of tacitly approving welfare/public works stuff as a Good Thing (which would get them crucified by their base) while simultaneously gleefully hamstringing or destroying the programs. It's the "of course helping people is good but I'm supposed to do that because I WANT to not because the government steals my money and does it in a horribly inefficient, wasteful manner!" defense. A Winner is Jew posted:
Countdown to someone committing a felony, losing their guns and insisting you be toxxed.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:37
|
|
|
Lemming posted:If Bush wins and the Republicans take the senate, Obamacare's going to get repealed and replaced with nothing, including the Medicaid expansion, no pre existing conditions, and no lifetime maximums. If you have a soul that really shouldn't be cool with you. If bush wins I'm going to end up in a rubber room drawing with crayons held between my toes, coo-ing softly to myself. I will be drawing pictures of a happy world, one where people are able to learn from their god damned mistakes.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 02:56 |
|
|
Lemming posted:If Bush wins and the Republicans take the senate, Obamacare's going to get repealed and replaced with nothing, including the Medicaid expansion, no pre existing conditions, and no lifetime maximums. If you have a soul that really shouldn't be cool with you. That's really pretty unlikely. Dismantling the ACA at this point would be a massive undertaking, since all the funding and programs are already in place. It'd be way, way harder than passing it in the first place, even if they had near-complete control of all the branches. I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, but it would be really unpopular and would require dozens of individual bills, at the very least. Something that big gets entrenched almost immediately, which was why they put so much effort into blocking it in the first place.
|
|
#
?
Apr 7, 2014 20:38
|
|
