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TinTower posted:(after all, you don't think it was the Tory part of the coalition to go for same-sex marriage, do you?). part of the Tory part. it's a big split in the party, almost up there with wet / dry and pro/anti europe. cameron and some others on the metropolitan wings of the party (who are disproportionally represented in the higher ranks at the moment) see same-sex marriage as both inevitable (so you might as well pass it and get the credit years down the line) and a useful way to detoxify the party which is still haunted by 'the nasty party'. which isn't to say that the lib dem part weren't very important, maybe even vital, in getting it through. ReV VAdAUL posted:Laws justified his theft of a huge sum of money as being a necessary part of his staying in the closet due to homophobia. Cameron stating he deserves a second chance on those grounds is part of the trend I highlighted. i also think you're mischaracterising the Laws affair. unlike Miller he didn't take any more money that he was allowed to, but lied on the paperwork to hide his relationship. (not saying that's not wrong, he was right to go) so if we summarise: Miller - IDS claims that her political enemies (opposition & tory back benches) and media critics are only going after her because they want to punish her for same sex marriage because they are homophobic. Laws - says he lied on paperwork because he didn't want his mum to know, doesn't explicitly call her homophobic but that's the implication. nobody - not Laws or anyone else - ever suggests that the opposition or media pundits calling on him to resign are motivated by homophobia. so really, I'm not seeing the link have i missed something?
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Fluo posted:He is however an Orange Booker. how does it feel to be the only person to have read that (contributors excepted)?
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Cerv posted:part of the Tory part. To her credit, Theresa May was very enthusiastic about pushing LGBT rights in her first couple of years, but only due to Lynne Featherstone's junior portfolio in her department. Really, Justine Greening should've got the job. She's one of the few competent ministers in Cameron's cabinet, and DfID are already doing a lot of work on international equality (which, again, is one of the better departments). That, and Lynne.  Secondly, DCMS becoming DCMSE means that Harriet Harman is now effectively the Shadow Minister for Equalities. And ten thousand trans women say "gently caress" at that idea. Cerv posted:how does it feel to be the only person to have read that (contributors excepted)? I tried to read the Orange Book once. It was awful.
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Trickjaw posted:Another thing about the current Tory situation, I caught a brief mention whilst flipping channels about Farage planning to challenge Miller's Basingstoke seat. I can't find anything definitive to confirm this, but if by some act of a vengeful god he wins, that's Cameron who has had his chips. I have no desire to see even one UKIP MP, MEP, Councillor, or Neighbourhood Watchman, but if the current government create enough revulsion and groundswell for Nige to gain ground, then it has truly failed this country. I don't think it is likely, but the timing couldn't be better after two (pointless) public debates that Farage on most accounts bounded home, and just over a year of the Tories tearing themselves apart. Don't worry, first past the post is good for one thing, and that's preventing new parties in to parliament. best they can achieve is splitting the tory vote 
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Trickjaw posted:Oh jesus. That's what I get for giving them more credit for nous than they deserve. They could have had a bit of a media wank-fest and a tiny coup. Mind you, apparently big Nige is on HIGNFY this week, so thats going to be braying and hooting. The only politician I follow on twitter is Tom Watson. Given that he's an MEP, could he even stand without resigning that "seat" first? And wouldn't doing so be the stupidest thing to do, ever.
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SybilVimes posted:Given that he's an MEP, could he even stand without resigning that "seat" first? And wouldn't doing so be the stupidest thing to do, ever. I sort of assumed that would be the case, or perhaps his ego wouldn't stand a lost deposit. What did Cleggy do? e: Clegg buggered off ('The argument for Europe can better be fought at home!' Huh? Not in the European Parliament?) to work for a Lobbying firm for a year in 2004 before getting selected in Sheffield. Thats some mighty fine lobbying. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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SybilVimes posted:Given that he's an MEP, could he even stand without resigning that "seat" first? And wouldn't doing so be the stupidest thing to do, ever. He stood for Buckingham (the Speaker's seat) in 2010. Caroline Lucas was also an MEP when she won Brighton Pavillion in the same election; she resigned afterwards. But yeah, you can't double job between Parliament and either the European Parliament, and any peers elected to the European Parliament must take a leave of absence. Trickjaw posted:I sort of assumed that would be the case, or perhaps his ego wouldn't stand a lost deposit. What did Cleggy do? Clegg was only a one-term MEP, from 1999 to 2004.
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Trickjaw posted:I sort of assumed that would be the case, or perhaps his ego wouldn't stand a lost deposit. What did Cleggy do?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Is everyone looking forward to receiving their taxpayer statement? It'll give you an ever so handy breakdown of how much tax you paid and how your money was spent by the government over the last year: And at least they didn't call welfare or a section of it 'benefits'. The word welfare hasn't quite been tainted to the extent that it has in the US yet. Cerv posted:part of the Tory part.
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Fabricant is actively whoring himself out for media ops and after dinner speaking on twitter, despite being a 'decent chap' and turning down Newsnight. Do they pay? Good news for his constituents that he is so glad to be able to concentrate on their issues now. Ooo tories 
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Guavanaut posted:That chart's at least good for one thing, it puts the "all our money is going off to Brussels and Uh Lemon Drizzle doctored that chart, here's the REAL one they don't want you to know about  
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Counterpoint: Jon Snow wears stripy socks and is a good dude. (hooray I am free of my AI trainchat probation) 
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I so wish to type something snarky but David Cameron is on a mission from God.quote:David Cameron has claimed divine inspiration was at work when it came to drafting a key concept for Conservative Party policy. Yes, let's all line up to help shoulder poor David Cameron's troubles.  What is with this resurgence of Christianity with the tories?
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Fingerless Gloves posted:What is with this resurgence of Christianity with the tories?
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Fingerless Gloves posted:What is with this resurgence of Christianity with the tories? Their PR people probably includes a few Americans. Activating the Religious Outrage vote worked wonders for Bush. I don't think the British electorate are primed for such a move but it seems they're working on it.
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KPMG and Shelter have published an interesting report on "public attitudes to the economy, cost of living, and housing:" http://www.kpmg.com/UK/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/PDF/About/kpmg-shelter-research-slides.pdf
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How are Christians the most persecuted faith in the world today? I hear it a lot but it never goes past "We can't
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Gonzo McFee posted:How are Christians the most persecuted faith in the world today? I hear it a lot but it never goes past "We can't You've just described Christians as witch burning homophobic bigots so maybe he's not wide of the mark?
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Fucks sake, the EDL are demonstrating outside my office window. A lovely sunny day and all I hear is fascist chanting though the window.
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Pissflaps posted:You've just described Christians as witch burning homophobic bigots so maybe he's not wide of the mark? Mate, you been to church recently?
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Pissflaps posted:You've just described Christians as witch burning homophobic bigots so maybe he's not wide of the mark? No he's saying those complaining about being persecuted are homophobic bigots. And in the first world he's right.
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Gonzo McFee posted:How are Christians the most persecuted faith in the world today? I hear it a lot but it never goes past "We can't I dunno about "most" persecuted faith but Christians do, in fact, get a genuinely raw deal in many parts of the world, suffering harassment, attacks and killings by those of other faiths especially in Africa from hardline Muslim groups. Of course when American TV pundits talk about they are referring to the RISE OF THE GAYS.
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Pissflaps posted:You've just described Christians as witch burning homophobic bigots so maybe he's not wide of the mark? Remind me again of the faith of the people we've been killing as a state for the last decade?
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LemonDrizzle posted:
I am a cosmopolitan critic. I hate that loving magazine. Aside - how *correct* is DIY? On the one hand Homebase is the home of middle class couples arguing over wallpaper, but doing things yourself because it is cheaper is anti bourgeois. As I am now officially unemployed after submitting my thesis decorating seems like a good outlet.
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DIY isn't an ideological battleground ffs, if you want to do it then do it (just don't suggest that if wage slaves are struggling to make ends meet they should try living The Good Life to save money)LemonDrizzle posted:
"Calm Persistence" aka "[recent conservative policy] isn't working and has never worked, obviously this means we need to do it harder"
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LemonDrizzle posted:The truest labourites: the affluent and cosmopolitan hand-wringing middle classes Sounds about right, in that they're the group most likely to vote en masse for the (current) Labour Party, having wobbled off Lib-Dem-ward at the last election. A combination of Labour chasing the mythical middle (as the Tories pull that middle ever-Right), and Tory pandering to the xenophobe crowd and other divide-and-conquer strategies (Tebbit's "Basildon Man" idea really is the Thatcherite equivalent to the Southern Strategy), has meant that the working class are now probably about 50-50 between Labour and Tories of various colours. Of course Labour's reaction to that has been to cravenly copy Tory xenophobia, demonisation of people receiving benefits, and general worship of the Holy Market, which only makes the situation worse.
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Cerv posted:how does it feel to be the only person to have read that (contributors excepted)? It made me suicidal, the worst thing was being told "I Didn't Know What An Orange Booker" was during the general election.  I warned goons but it fell silent. Pissflaps posted:I bet Thatcher never wore socks. lol.
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Pissflaps posted:You've just described Christians as witch burning homophobic bigots so maybe he's not wide of the mark? Truly nothing says persecution like the personal opinions of SA forums poster Gonzo McFee.
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