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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a poke around on the site and the weird thing is, they've all got this WTF air about them, every single one, all in similar but different ways. I don't know whether to post all or none of them.

I mean look at this one:



How inspirational?
when we finally realize we're dying... we'll all read Ayn Rand's article on Wikipedia for 8 hours a day

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scarycave
Oct 9, 2012

Dominic Beegan:
Exterminator For Hire
Tempts Fate in WOWderland:


Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
How many loving tempts fates did he make?

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Minrad posted:

How many loving tempts fates did he make?
About a dozen. scarycave just finished posting Tempts Fate 6.

They get increasingly convoluted.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Minrad posted:

How many loving tempts fates did he make?
Well, if you think about it, Thunt tempted fate and lost. He died.

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx

Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a poke around on the site and the weird thing is, they've all got this WTF air about them, every single one, all in similar but different ways. I don't know whether to post all or none of them.

I mean look at this one:



How inspirational?

my work is deep and insightful, if you disagree you are obviously one of those sheep

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.


hey zen pencils its only natural to want to continue existence even after your meat suit wears out


welp toodles~

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t

Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a poke around on the site and the weird thing is, they've all got this WTF air about them, every single one, all in similar but different ways. I don't know whether to post all or none of them.

I mean look at this one:



How inspirational?

quote:

Caitlin Moran (born Catherine Elizabeth Moran; 5 April 1975) is a British broadcaster, TV critic and columnist at The Times, where she writes three columns a week: one for the Saturday Magazine, a TV review column, and the satirical Friday column "Celebrity Watch". Moran is British Press Awards (BPA) Columnist of the Year for 2010, and both BPA Critic of the Year 2011, and Interviewer of the Year 2011.[1]

quote:

Moran's Irish-Catholic father is a one-time "drummer and psychedelic rock pioneer" who became "confined to the sofa by osteoarthritis".[2] She is the eldest of eight children and has four sisters and three brothers. She was born in Brighton and then lived in a three bedroom council house in Wolverhampton with her parents and siblings. She attended Springdale Junior School and was then educated at home from the age of 11, having attended secondary school for only three weeks.[3]

Not to knock Moran's childhood, but I can see how it might have been the seed of that quote.

Doesn't make me wanna punch the pencils guy any less on general principle. I even made the effort to see things from his world view! (I looked up Moran's article on Wikipedia)

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Psygnosis posted:

This Zen Pencils guy is starting to remind me of Dobson. Except in this case it's if dobson took a ton of anti-depressants and suddenly became very cheery

:cry: The meanie teacher told me I wasn't good but, I'll show her!
:smug: Now i have my own web comic HA!


Well she was essentially combine with her favorite character, John Galt in Bioshock as Andrew Ryan. is that close enough to being a super villain?

After many years he still draws the same doodles. Because every van Gogh's painting is The Starry Night.

crime weed
Nov 9, 2009
Why does the small child have the face of a full grown adult? It's really creepy.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

It's worth noting that Vincent Van Gogh was actually fairly shitballs crazy

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx

loquacius posted:

It's worth noting that Vincent Van Gogh was actually fairly shitballs crazy

DO IT

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


So...

This is the classic Nickelodeon TV cartoon CatDog with a dinosaur-themed reskin mod applied to it.

Is there anything else to it?

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a poke around on the site and the weird thing is, they've all got this WTF air about them, every single one, all in similar but different ways. I don't know whether to post all or none of them.

I mean look at this one:



How inspirational?

I wonder if he only knows exactly one quote from Moran that gets thrown around among atheist tumbleristas. I just can't imagine him reading "How to Be a Woman". Or any book, really.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

loquacius posted:

So...

This is the classic Nickelodeon TV cartoon CatDog with a dinosaur-themed reskin mod applied to it.

Is there anything else to it?

One of them is blind and also I think the art is cute

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a poke around on the site and the weird thing is, they've all got this WTF air about them, every single one, all in similar but different ways. I don't know whether to post all or none of them.

I mean look at this one:



How inspirational?

Let's just crib a philosophy from Fight Club, not recognizing that you weren't actually supposed to agree with it.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

muscles like this? posted:

Let's just crib a philosophy from Fight Club, not recognizing that you weren't actually supposed to agree with it.

I dunno, blowing up baby boomer corporations has a nice ring to it.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Trapezium Dave posted:

The Zen Pencils guy was a professional graphic designer for eight years before quitting to be a freelance cartoonist.

No wonder all his characters look like they should be off some sort of clip art program or greeting card. They all have that "designer" look to them.

scarycave
Oct 9, 2012

Dominic Beegan:
Exterminator For Hire

Young Freud posted:

No wonder all his characters look like they should be off some sort of clip art program or greeting card. They all have that "designer" look to them.

Is that good or bad exactly?

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Its amazing how smug the Zen Pencils guy can be when all of his quotes come from other people in the first place.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Internet Kraken posted:

Its amazing how smug the Zen Pencils guy can be when all of his quotes come from other people in the first place.

"You are a beautiful, unique snowflake who is capable of doing anything if you set your mind to it and ignore all the people who tell you otherwise!" -- Someone Else Who Is More Accomplished Than Me, A Guy Who Makes Bad Inspirational Comics For Free On The Internet

Veev
Oct 21, 2010

K is for kid.
A guy or gal just like you.
Dont be in such a hurry to grow up, since there's nothin' a kid can't do.
I realized I was just sitting here reading about interesting people instead of being interesting, so I decided to draw them also.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

scarycave posted:

Is that good or bad exactly?

Either/or. ZP's art is competent but staid.

Everything seems to be very infographic, like each panel or beat is going THIS IS THE MESSAGE. The one with the robot valedictorian even more so, since there's a literal diagram shown half-way in.

It's also rather safe, which is funny because the dude is quoting about creativity and challenge and such without showing it or doing anything experimental in his work

scarycave
Oct 9, 2012

Dominic Beegan:
Exterminator For Hire

Young Freud posted:

Either/or. ZP's art is competent but staid.

Everything seems to be very infographic, like each panel or beat is going THIS IS THE MESSAGE. The one with the robot valedictorian even more so, since there's a literal diagram shown half-way in.

It's also rather safe, which is funny because the dude is quoting about creativity and challenge and such without showing it or doing anything experimental in his work

Maybe that's why its so boring. It doesn't really make my eyes "pop" or whatever the term is for attracting the eye.
Everything is so uniform and clean - everything just sort of blends together and goes flat.

Considering he dislikes learning stuff and would rather do his own thing (because people said he wasn't good or something) you'd expect the art to be...more out there. Like abstract, or generic anime or something.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


The little kid artist one is kind of funny because what kind of teacher critiques little kid art.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Young Freud posted:

No wonder all his characters look like they should be off some sort of clip art program or greeting card. They all have that "designer" look to them.

Ooh, quite. Couldn't put my finger on it, but you are right. Every panel looks like an illustration from some 'highbrow' magazine to an article about how serious guys in business suits play Angry Birds, or what watches it's acceptable to wear when you are over thirty.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!



Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t

Young Freud posted:

Either/or. ZP's art is competent but staid.

Everything seems to be very infographic, like each panel or beat is going THIS IS THE MESSAGE. The one with the robot valedictorian even more so, since there's a literal diagram shown half-way in.

It's also rather safe, which is funny because the dude is quoting about creativity and challenge and such without showing it or doing anything experimental in his work

Bingo. That's probably where his background in graphic design is hurting him more than helping: he's used to have someone else do the thinking for him (clients, etc) so when left to his own devices, the result is pretty, but also pretty souless.

It does not help that Zen Pencils is basically the tutorial level of "rear end in a top hat: the Game"

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

scarycave posted:

Maybe that's why its so boring. It doesn't really make my eyes "pop" or whatever the term is for attracting the eye.
Everything is so uniform and clean - everything just sort of blends together and goes flat.

Considering he dislikes learning stuff and would rather do his own thing (because people said he wasn't good or something) you'd expect the art to be...more out there. Like abstract, or generic anime or something.

Oh yeah. I remember taking a class with an instructor who was a real abstract art type and getting admonished if I tried sketching out anything beforehand instead of letting the hand and the charcoal naturally put it down on paper. I learned something important about freedom of flow from the guy despite dropping the class in favor for more traditional art instruction with still-lifes and such.

I remember seeing his professional work and he described his process as painting stuff on acetate sheets and mush it together and would do this a dozen times until it came out with something striking (since all art is done through repetition, be it figure drawing, design, or abstract art).

scarycave
Oct 9, 2012

Dominic Beegan:
Exterminator For Hire

muscles like this? posted:

The little kid artist one is kind of funny because what kind of teacher critiques little kid art.

I've had one of those in preschool. We were supposed to draw a bird in a bird cage, but I added in Mario and Luigi watching a TV and I got in trouble.
Most art classes (grade school - early college basic courses) will pretty much try to spare your feelings, if you actually talk to them about it, they will go into more detail (since your asking for criticism). Generally though, the whole point is to try to help you.

I've had people complain about classes before because they didn't want to draw nude figures and wanted to focus more on their style, though they snapped out of it after a few more courses once they started getting the hang of it - I'm guessing the Zen Pencils guy is like that too, except he never really grew out of it.

Frankly I have a hard time doing productive art stuffs without someone giving me orders because I still lack a lot of discipline and I can't really focus on doing more intense stuff that I should be doing and just doodle random junk.

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

muscles like this? posted:

Let's just crib a philosophy from Fight Club, not recognizing that you weren't actually supposed to agree with it.
broken clock, twice a day, etc etc

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

The art may be bland but like others have said the real problem has that he doesn't understand the quotes he is using. No, telling someone to get up and go do something does not mean going crazy to live a stereotype. No, being a man does not involve carving up bullies with hammers. No, Rand meant "gently caress the common man" not steal cookies.

It is like he gets them off those quote websites that post them out of context and he reads them at face value

scarycave
Oct 9, 2012

Dominic Beegan:
Exterminator For Hire
Altered Beast Reboot:


Fuck Your Website
Nov 29, 2003
FUCK YOU, AND FUCK YOUR WEBSITE
Dude getting paid to do professional art stuff, finds it unfulfilling

Quits to make tumblrbait for retards whose best case scenario dream is getting paid to do professional art stuff

Congrats on missing the point of art entirely, zenpencils. Kill yourself

Edit: sorry don't read poser comics. Gotta draw the line somewhere right

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

sweet fellatio

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

gently caress Your Website posted:

Edit: sorry don't read poser comics. Gotta draw the line somewhere right

I can't read poser comics

Like, my eyes will literally unfocus whenever I see one

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

corn in the bible fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Apr 10, 2014

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

1stGear posted:

If you can't find entertainment in a formerly sheltered hyper-Christian guy making porn because it clearly pays better than his regular comic, I don't know why you even post in this thread. Presumably you have drunk alcohol and are thus on the verge of death.

It's just amazing to me that a man who draws the sheer amount of porn Willis does now can be so loving bad at it.

But then, webcomics, and all.

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PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Grondoth posted:

Wait, the person who slammed someone's arm into a juicer is a good guy in this thing? Why do so many webcomics put terrible people in their leading roles?
I mean poo poo it's not like it was a life or death scenario either. She STARTED the fight and then maimed her opponent, looks like for life! The person behind this has gotta be like 15, right?

literally the one thing I know about that comic is someone posted in BSS that everyone in it is supposed to be an unlikeable psychopath.

why? beats me

Phlegmish posted:

mostly it convinced me that discrimination and bigotry are sometimes good, rather than bad as is commonly assumed

it reaklly is re-introducing nuance into the debate

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