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What, that actually went through? loving hell. I remember seeing the plan mentioned in this thread some time ago but I never thought it would see the light of day given the chaos it'll cause at the job centres. So.... what happens if the queue is so long you don't see an adviser before closing time? Your benefits get docked? notaspy posted:With a new month coming up can I bagsy the new OP? I want to do a neo liberal one for maximum lolz like they did over at the ozpol tread a few months back. I already bagsied it  Since it's May next month it ought to be an  Euro Election Special
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Loonytoad Quack posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ly-9294586.html Why is this allowed to perpetuate? The simply equation of [number of jobs available] - [number of unemployed] isn't a positive number, even before accounting for the vast number of fake-jobs, "self-employed" people selling cleaning supplies or windows or whatever, and the issues of jobs not being equally distributed in areas of unemployment. Surely one reporter with a calculator could point this out to IDS?
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It's so utterly pointless. It'll overwork everyone in the jobcentres, which will probably be the reason this won't last because it sure as gently caress won't be the well being of the jobseekers. There's not even a point in going in when you're not signing on. The jobs posted there are utterly worthless, half of which are obvious scams and they're not updated regularly enough to justify going into the jobcentre. They don't want full employment. They like the level of unemployment as it is because it keeps the unemployed desperate enough to take any job. This is just punishment for the poor and torture porn for the sociopathic right wing shitheels.
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Loonytoad Quack posted:No discussion about the new signing on rules? This cannot be for real. Do they not understand that this means wasting a huge amount of time that people could actually be using to look for jobs?
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winegums posted:Why is this allowed to perpetuate? The simply equation of [number of jobs available] - [number of unemployed] isn't a positive number, even before accounting for the vast number of fake-jobs, "self-employed" people selling cleaning supplies or windows or whatever, and the issues of jobs not being equally distributed in areas of unemployment. There have been times when IDS is given irrefutable evidence that child poverty is on the rise and he looked at the graph, pointed at it and said "No, no. The point is Child poverty is in decline." He's divorced from reality. He's ether completely insane or he's just plain evil. So, you know. A Tory.
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Gonzo McFee posted:There have been times when IDS is given irrefutable evidence that child poverty is on the rise and he looked at the graph, pointed at it and said "No, no. The point is Child poverty is in decline." Haha yes, every single Tory is indeed insane or a cartoon supervillain, nice comment.
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Tolth posted:This cannot be for real. Do they not understand that this means wasting a huge amount of time that people could actually be using to look for jobs? They don't care. This is about punishing the vilified poor for all to see, so they can secure the vote of the other vilified poor who don't think they're the vilified poor and the vicious right wing middle class cunts.
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Apr 28, 2014 11:06
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Saki posted:Haha yes, every single Tory is indeed insane or a cartoon supervillain, nice comment. Look at everything they're doing and tell me they're not.
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Meanwhile Bernie Ecclestone made a deal with HMRC to avoid paying £2 billion in taxes. I am going to write them a letter on my lunch break asking if I can get my tax free allowance also set to £2 billion as I reckon that'd mean I never pay income tax again. Or maybe just see if I can get put on his 0.8% tax rate rather than the 20% basic rate as that still counts as quids in for me. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/10791537/Bernie-Ecclestone-accused-of-biggest-ever-personal-tax-dodge.html Torygraph posted:The Inland Revenue made a secret deal with Bernie Ecclestone allowing him to settle a £2 billion tax bill for just £10 million, it has been alleged. HMRC spent nine years investigating the tax affairs of the Formula One supremo and his family after he transferred a large portion of his assets to his then wife Slavica in 1996. The money was later transferred into one of the Ecclestone family trusts based in Liechtenstein. Thieving oval office.
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Tolth posted:This cannot be for real. Do they not understand that this means wasting a huge amount of time that people could actually be using to look for jobs? lol look at you thinking they're spending all that time looking for jobs. No, this will only take time otherwise spent watching Sky TV and making GBS threads out kids.
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The most remarkably sexist article is at the top of mailonline at the moment. I'd link it but archive.is seems to be down.
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twoot posted:The most remarkably sexist article is at the top of mailonline at the moment. Screenshot?
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Saki posted:Haha yes, every single Tory is indeed insane or a cartoon supervillain, nice comment. This sort of hyperbole doesn't work as well when it's completely believable.
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Jack the Lad posted:Screenshot? 
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Jack the Lad posted:Screenshot? Susanna Reid his her legs under a table for most of ITV's new breakfast show, day was saved when she moved to a chair so men could leer at her legs. This is top news! I spotted this as a flaw in the format last night when rehearsal shots were shown online  Edit: 
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Flectarn posted:This sort of hyperbole doesn't work as well when it's completely believable. Exactly this. Some of the poo poo that they have done in the last four years has been utterly reprenhensible.
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Gonzo McFee posted:This is just punishment for the poor and torture porn for the sociopathic right wing shitheels. This is offensive. There are at least as many if not more sociopaths on the left than the right, anarchism is infested with legit high-functioning sociopaths and anyone who thinks socialists aren't sociopathic has never applied the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder to a SWP meeting. Please do not smear us as tories, thank you.
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winegums posted:Why is this allowed to perpetuate? The simply equation of [number of jobs available] - [number of unemployed] isn't a positive number, even before accounting for the vast number of fake-jobs, "self-employed" people selling cleaning supplies or windows or whatever, and the issues of jobs not being equally distributed in areas of unemployment. There's no excuse for IDS not to know it, but I'm constantly shocked by the number of people who genuinely think there is no problem because hey, I can go onto a job site and there are jobs on there, so obviously there's enough jobs for everyone and anyone who doesn't have one is just lazy. And if you get chucked out of your job because of mechanisation, you can just retrain and get a new job. It's that easy. Where are all the jobs coming from if everything's increasingly mechanised? Well, there'll always be jobs, because people will innovate and make jobs. The job creators will innovate. Presumably if their jobs were automated out of existence, the people who think this would selflessly move across the country, get into debt retraining, and get a job making the machine that made them unemployed without a word of complaint...
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Errr I'm not sure about that one either. I'm kind of against the dumb smearing of either side/party, it just makes the smearer look stupid and childish.
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Saki posted:Errr I'm not sure about that one either. I'm kind of against the dumb smearing of either side/party, it just makes the smearer look stupid and childish. It's not a smear. Politics on every single side is infested with sociopaths because sociopaths are A: socially manipulative, B: obsessed with power, and C: Tend to view themselves as being qualitatively 'better' than other people, which can manifest itself at extremes either as Ayn Rand obsessed 'I'm superman' types or SWP 'I am the savior of the poor working classes' types depending on whether they base their ridiculous and unjustified ego either on being a 'great person' or a 'good person'. The reason people view this as a smear is because sociopaths are (justified or not) perhaps the most Othered group in modern society. There a lot of people who will tell you that every 'sociopath' should be killed or imprisoned by default despite the fact that they'll go blank when you ask them what that word actually means. Tolth fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Saki posted:Errr I'm not sure about that one either. I'm kind of against the dumb smearing of either side/party, it just makes the smearer look stupid and childish. Sure, and it's just coincidence that every case of you being 'against' such smearing is whenever someone says something that doesn't paint the right in gloriousness, it's NOT because you're a right wing tool at all.
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SybilVimes posted:Sure, and it's just coincidence that every case of you being 'against' such smearing is whenever someone says something that doesn't paint the right in gloriousness, it's NOT because you're a right wing tool at all. I literally just responded to Tolth, who is clearly a right-winger. Obviously most of my comments will be on the left-wing in this extremely left-wing forum.
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Saki posted:I literally just responded to Tolth, who is clearly a right-winger. Obviously most of my comments will be on the left-wing in this extremely left-wing forum. Wasn't he joking that he's a sociopath, and thus dislikes automatically being called a Tory? I mean, unless you, too, believe sociopathy to automatically result in right-wing views.
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Darth Walrus posted:Wasn't he joking that he's a sociopath, and thus dislikes automatically being called a Tory? I'm not sure, it's kind of a struggle interpreting Tolth's posts.
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God this thread depresses me. How can that jobcentre thing possibly work? Last time I was on JSA they just wanted to process you and get you gently caress out asap without actually providing help with job recommendations or anything, how the flying gently caress can it possibly function if everyone has to go every day?!? There will be a loving riot! I cant believe this actually happened! I doubt 2 fat g4e (iknow thats wrong i just cant remember it) squadies are going to be able to hold off the collective rage of 500 pissed off people. Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Saki posted:I literally just responded to Tolth, who is clearly a right-winger. Obviously most of my comments will be on the left-wing in this extremely left-wing forum. I'm an anarchist, I'm not right wing at all. I just distrust the harder parts of the socialist left because in my experience it is infested with people who care more about their image than actually achieving anything concrete. Saki posted:I'm not sure, it's kind of a struggle interpreting Tolth's posts. That guy interpreted it perfectly; I don't think anyone except you is struggling. Tolth fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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I remember when I was unemployed my wait at the job centre was never less than half an hour for any appointment. It used to puzzle me that they managed to be so consistently late to appointments they themselves scheduled for their own staff in their own building. What the hell they're going to do if they effectively have to do ten times the work with no extra resources, I don't know. Will you literally just show up, sign the book and leave?
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Gort posted:I remember when I was unemployed my wait at the job centre was never less than half an hour for any appointment. It used to puzzle me that they managed to be so consistently late to appointments they themselves scheduled for their own staff in their own building. I dunno what you do about this.
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Seaside Loafer posted:God this thread depresses me. How can that jobcentre thing possibly work? Last time I was on JSA they just wanted to process you and get you gently caress out asap without actually providing help with job recommendations or anything, how the flying gently caress can it possibly function if everyone has to go every day?!? There will be a loving riot! I cant believe this actually happened! You only have to go every day if you've been out of work for two years. It's still poo poo, but that group of people is small enough that it's workable for most of the country. They're not really meant to go everyday, they're meant to be bullied into taking the lovely "Voluntary" jobs that are on offer. And if you don't volunteer eventually they'll cut your benefits anyway even if you do go to the job center every day. "Voluntary" sounds a lot better than "Forced Unpaid Labour" I guess. Fans fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Cameron will be in Essex today with IDS launching Help to Work, but cabinet office not saying where he will be. I have an Ingeous apppointment. Pleasepleasepleaseplease be Chelmsford 
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Loonytoad Quack posted:No discussion about the new signing on rules? I heard it on the radio this morning while I was still half asleep, screamed internally, then fell back asleep and had a dream about cathartically screaming some more. Woke up feeling pretty good! 
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It's really, really stupid. I'm something of an apologist for the Job Centre, since they have to follow these crazy policies, so I really hope this blows up and IDS gets the sack. Canterbury JCP tried a self-signing box a while ago. You'd drop in your job-logs in a two-hour timeslot and pick up a new form. Then is was handing them in at the desk and witing for a new form. Then it was dropped altogether. Lasted about a month.
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IDS will never be dismissed, for he believes he is doing the best possible job, therefore it is true. Such is the power of the dread solipsist  Fans posted:You only have to go every day if you've been out of work for two years. It's still poo poo, but that group of people is small enough that it's workable for most of the country. They're not really meant to go everyday, they're meant to be bullied into taking the lovely "Voluntary" jobs that are on offer. Can't wait to see how this intersects with people getting kicked off ESA. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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It's true, IDS is a great one for "the reality is". Regardless of what the reality actually is. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jan/23/duncan-smith-benefit-cap-poverty posted:"The reality is that at £26,000 a year it's very difficult to believe that families will be plunged into poverty."
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Iain Duncan Smith is the God Emperor of Musty Bellends. Now that I've weighed in on the topic du jour, I need some advice: my brother's mate killed himself at the weekend after only a few weeks of depression. My brother had been trying to support him during those few weeks, so now he's convinced he missed "the signs" and is a bit of a wreck. I'm off to have a talk with him now but assuming I can't convince him that it's not his fault, who should I get him to talk to? Do the Samaritans deal with that sort of thing? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Saki posted:The Jobcentre will at least pay for your bus pass though. They're legally obliged to recompense you for your travel costs I think. No they're not, although Working Links, the lovely welfare to work company I ended up with, did (mostly - I had a lot of trouble getting expenses off them). When I was on JSA, I was about 9 miles from the jobcentre (rural Scotland) and the bus fare was £5 (Stagecoach local monopoly). This would have had me spending £25 of my £60 allowance just to sign on every day. I don't know if things have changed in recent years, but the jobcentre was the worst place to find a job. All they had were these terminals where you could search jobs and print out the contact details. I could do the exact same search from home and it wouldn't cost me a £5 bus ticket. Plus from home I could search other sites and apply online. The jobcentre's only purpose seemed to be to make you feel worthless in front of other people.
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