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Hey look Mark Cuban is takin' exactly the "hey he's a scumbag but you gotta protect the sanctity of ownership, boy how rude of them to go into his private conversations" line that one would expect. Man first Kim Kardashian's career and now this TMZ is an amazing force for good in the world 
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I didn't know the local TV deal was on the line for all of this. That raises the stakes for the NBA quite a bit. Not so much for Sterling since the Clippers have had some pretty awful TV deals in the past, but that could hurt the overall value of the league.
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Jota posted:There's no chance in hell they force him to sell against his will. He'd destroy them in court Pretty much this. I predict a 1 year ban and 1 million dollar fine.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:06
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This sounds weird but isn't 1 million dollar fine seem really really low? I mean, Cuban gets fined 100k for complaining about refs. One million just feels low.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:07
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Would Bill come out and say that if he had no factual backing whatsoever? I tend to ignore him but here I am inclined to listen.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:09
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MourningView posted:The politcal environment is not so bad that people in great enough numbers to actually hurt the league are going to side with Sterling and boycott the product as a result, particularly since I would guess most virulent racists are probably not big fans of a league that is like 80% black. And I still doubt they take the team away, they'll just give him a huge suspension and fine. I'm not talking about virulent, hardcore KKK type racists, I'm talking about your average, run of the mill, white Romney voter. So really it's a more insidious type of thing that's born partly of racism, partly of hysteria, and partly of idiocy. I know there are loads of sports fans like this that even cheer black players as long as they are "classy" and "play the right way". Stripping someone of an asset for their beliefs (even if they are lovely) is like a hot button issue for these people. Hobby Lobby went to the Supreme Court last week because the "government was trying to make them pay for abortions!" and Chick-Fil-A had lines out the door when they became "a good, Christian company". There are poo poo loads of these people out there, and they have lots of money - money the NBA wants. Many of them left the NBA post Jordan, but there are still some taking their kids to the Pacers game or whatever. Even if they aren't the primary fans, they might be bankrolling someone who is a fan, like their children or grandchildren. All I'm saying is that if the NBA did something really drastic, I wouldn't be surprised if it became a talking point for Hannity or some other right wing shill. Is it possible that some 2 bit Congressman looking to make a name for himself in an election year starts beating the drum? I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying it's a real risk at this point in time given the divisive nature that has evolved over the last few years. I guess I don't have a lot of faith in the public at large right now, so I can't help but worry that people will be dumb and this could turn into an us vs them type thing. I am with you though, and don't think that the NBA tries to strip the team. Aside from the problems I suggested, the legal mess would take a while to sort out and could make other owners skittish.
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thompson posted:Would Bill come out and say that if he had no factual backing whatsoever? I tend to ignore him but here I am inclined to listen. Sorta, This doesn't seem like something he would make up. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard this from Jalen, who for sure has sources.
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Dexo posted:Sorta, This doesn't seem like something he would make up. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard this from Jalen, who for sure has sources. Yeah I'm not so sure Bill himself has any sources that high up, but he and Jalen are best buds and Jalen Rose would definitely have the type of sources who could get him the right info.
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BigBoss posted:That's not the only problem. The political environment (and by extension the opinions of the people in the USA) is pretty devisive right now. Trying to forcibly separate a man from a billion dollar asset that he owns because he said some racist poo poo could lead to a lot of "PUNISHMENT OF A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN FOR THOUGHT CRIMES? ONLY IN OWEBUNGLE'S AMERICA!" type punditry and hurt the league overall. Let us not forget that a large portion of the country is Ma and Pa Kettle types buying a KD jersey for their grandson. It could backfire on the NBA and alienate a lot of fans. The people who try to gin up those kinds of boycotts typically are part of the demographic who weren't buying NBA merchandise anyway. Various middle-America Christian organizations used this tactic for protests that generated a lot of media attention in the '80s and '90s (and they still try it today), but companies eventually realized that those people weren't watching their TV shows or patronizing their stores anyway. That came from a combination of studying their businesses, studying actual spending habits, and hamfisted protests that were clearly astroturfing. If anything, taking out Sterling would get people to spend more money on the NBA, because people will be happy that they did something. If that happened right now, at this time in the playoffs, it'd be a huge boost for the league for the extremely casual fan and the non-basketball fan. Rick posted:I didn't know the local TV deal was on the line for all of this. That raises the stakes for the NBA quite a bit. Not so much for Sterling since the Clippers have had some pretty awful TV deals in the past, but that could hurt the overall value of the league. I'm pretty sure MLB got a lien on the Dodgers' TV rights in the Frank McCourt situation. The NBA might try to do the same thing here.
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I wonder what locking Sterling out of the club of owners would do to him? Like, I'd suppose the owners could remove him from league decision making and owners meetings and stuff that he enjoys, as well as not letting him go to games. Of any owner, his base enjoyment of owning the team seems more like a status thing than as a cash investment.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:19
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soggybagel posted:This sounds weird but isn't 1 million dollar fine seem really really low? I mean, Cuban gets fined 100k for complaining about refs. One million just feels low. It is low for Sterling. But because someone is really rich you can't just say "I fine you eleventy billion dollars!" If its really outrageous like that or they try and take his team, he'll take them to court and win.
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BigBoss posted:I'm not talking about virulent, hardcore KKK type racists, I'm talking about your average, run of the mill, white Romney voter. So really it's a more insidious type of thing that's born partly of racism, partly of hysteria, and partly of idiocy. I know there are loads of sports fans like this that even cheer black players as long as they are "classy" and "play the right way". Stripping someone of an asset for their beliefs (even if they are lovely) is like a hot button issue for these people. Hobby Lobby went to the Supreme Court last week because the "government was trying to make them pay for abortions!" and Chick-Fil-A had lines out the door when they became "a good, Christian company". There are poo poo loads of these people out there, and they have lots of money - money the NBA wants. Many of them left the NBA post Jordan, but there are still some taking their kids to the Pacers game or whatever. Even if they aren't the primary fans, they might be bankrolling someone who is a fan, like their children or grandchildren. All I'm saying is that if the NBA did something really drastic, I wouldn't be surprised if it became a talking point for Hannity or some other right wing shill. Is it possible that some 2 bit Congressman looking to make a name for himself in an election year starts beating the drum? I'm not saying it will happen, I'm just saying it's a real risk at this point in time given the divisive nature that has evolved over the last few years. I guess I don't have a lot of faith in the public at large right now, so I can't help but worry that people will be dumb and this could turn into an us vs them type thing. oh for gently caress's sake can we not do this in the sports forum?
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MourningView posted:oh for gently caress's sake can we not do this in the sports forum? By this, I really hope you mean gigantic block paragraphs without line breaks.
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poopzilla posted:It is low for Sterling. But because someone is really rich you can't just say "I fine you eleventy billion dollars!" If its really outrageous like that or they try and take his team, he'll take them to court and win. How do you reconcile that with Lester Munson's opinions for ESPN.com? http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling Lester Munson posted:Q: Is it possible for Silver and the NBA to terminate Sterling's franchise ownership?
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Simmons posted a link to this article, which is pretty useful. Basically, it sounds like we can put an end to the "allegedly" stuff soon, because the NBA can require him to answer whether or not it is his voice on the tape, and refusing to co-operate or lying in response could be a fast track to losing the franchise. If Sterling admits that he made the statement, that immediately puts him in jeopardy of a fine of up to $1m and an indefinite suspension (which could be a stealth lifetime ban). If the NBA pushes a bit, they can interpret his behavior to involve another section of the rules to push the fine up to $2.5m and start taking draft picks away. EDIT: ^^^ drat you, I was just posting that!
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Goddamn I would love to read that NBA Owners Contract. It sounds amusing as poo poo.
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Dexo posted:Sorta, This doesn't seem like something he would make up. I wouldn't be surprised if he heard this from Jalen, who for sure has sources. I'm sure Jalen knows more players, but I would guess Simmons is way more plugged in when it comes to people in the league office. He definitely has sources, but he's also prone to exaggerating stuff.
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Politicalrancor posted:I wonder what locking Sterling out of the club of owners would do to him? Like, I'd suppose the owners could remove him from league decision making and owners meetings and stuff that he enjoys, as well as not letting him go to games. Of any owner, his base enjoyment of owning the team seems more like a status thing than as a cash investment. The potentially long game is to starve the franchise of revenue, hoping that Sterling would eventually not pay his bills, then strip him of the team for not paying his bills. If the NBA essentially cuts the Clippers off from league revenue, and from other sources of revenue, and Sterling doesn't pay his bills, the NBA could eventually seize the franchise. BigBoss posted:Stripping someone of an asset for their beliefs (even if they are lovely) is like a hot button issue for these people. Hobby Lobby went to the Supreme Court last week because the "government was trying to make them pay for abortions!" and Chick-Fil-A had lines out the door when they became "a good, Christian company". There may be tons of those people out there, but they aren't spending money on the NBA and wouldn't spend money on the NBA anyway, Sterling situation or not. It is literally a non-issue for the NBA.
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illcendiary posted:How do you reconcile that with Lester Munson's opinions for ESPN.com? 3/4's of the owners would have to agree to strip him of his team. I really don't think they want to open up that Pandora's box, most of the other owners are just as big scumbags as Sterling is.
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Owners aren't gonna vote another owner out for doing a "bad thing" in private. Cuban already covered his rear end with his comments about this yesterday when he said slippery slope like 30 times. They've got no problem condemning him, but once you start loving with the man's property over something he said it gets tricky. These guys are all pretty much seedy in one way or another, and they don't want to set precedent for removing an owner based on some sort of lovely viewpoint. If they set a precedent here the who's to say that they won't be next? They're a brotherhood and they're going to look out for their own interests above all else.
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poopzilla posted:3/4's of the owners would have to agree to strip him of his team. I really don't think they want to open up that Pandora's box, most of the other owners are just as big scumbags as Sterling is. That's fine, and I agree. You just also seem to think he has legal recourse if that did happen, and the article I posted seems to indicate otherwise.
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Whirlwind Jones posted:Owners aren't gonna vote another owner out for doing a "bad thing" in private. Cuban already covered his rear end with his comments about this yesterday when he said slippery slope like 30 times. That's why Sterling was suspicious of Magic. In all seriousness, their own interests are better served by booting the racist slumlord owner. Revenues go up when there's a second marquee team in LA, TV rights deals go up, ticket sales go up, merchandising revenue goes up...it's in their best financial interests that the Clippers are a popular team.
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this reminds me of the scene in lincoln where lincoln has to convince all of the white dudes to vote yes ^ | a white dude AsInHowe posted:That's why Sterling was suspicious of Magic. 
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There's a paper trail on Sterling being a racist scumbag going back at least ten years, and the entire team is in open revolt. A million dollars or whatever isn't going to cut it.
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poopzilla posted:It is low for Sterling. But because someone is really rich you can't just say "I fine you eleventy billion dollars!" If its really outrageous like that or they try and take his team, he'll take them to court and win. Why? I mean the NBA fining him a billion dollars would be stupid. But why can't they fine him 10 million dollars?
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soggybagel posted:Why? I mean the NBA fining him a billion dollars would be stupid. But why can't they fine him 10 million dollars? the maximum fine is 2.5 mil
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The only way the other owners are going to vote him out is if league-wide sponsors step up and say they're backing away from the league as long as Sterling's a part of it.
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Apr 29, 2014 18:40
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ChampRamp posted:$5 Mil fine and indefinite suspension per TMZ Lame
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ChampRamp posted:$5 Mil fine and indefinite suspension per TMZ 
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Congratulations everyone, we've solved racism!
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ChampRamp posted:$5 Mil fine and indefinite suspension per TMZ drat look at that mushroom cloud holy poo poo!!!!!! *yawn*
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Apr 29, 2014 18:42
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Indefinite Suspension is code for Sell your loving Team
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Apr 29, 2014 18:42
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Allow the players currently signed to get easy out routes to other teams/free agency, take away all future draft picks, watch as Sterling signs a team full of guys that look like Henry Rollins.
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illcendiary posted:How do you reconcile that with Lester Munson's opinions for ESPN.com? This is not an accurate opinion. Sterling would absolutely have grounds to challenge the decision in that there hasn't been any direct evidence that he did not ethically run his team. These kinds of disputes get challenged in court frequently. If you have a dispute over your HOA and the board rules against you, judges set that aside all the time and it's effectively the same thing. If they terminate his ownership there would be a lengthy legal battle that I have a hard time seeing Sterling losing.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Allow the players currently signed to get easy out routes to other teams/free agency, take away all future draft picks, watch as Sterling signs a team full of guys that look like Henry Rollins. The Wisconsin basketball team just becomes the Clippers.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Allow the players currently signed to get easy out routes to other teams/free agency, take away all future draft picks, watch as Sterling signs a team full of guys that look like Henry Rollins. *Bill Lambieer's phone starts ringing off the hook*
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