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kastein posted:Yeah, I'll take "the light came on so I had it towed here" over "the light came on last month and I figured I should do something about it, now it's making a really loud banging noise and leaking oil everywhere, will it cost more than $100 to fix?" any day. You make a good point, it was just hilarious to me when that BMW driver was FREAKING. THE gently caress. OUT. that he had lost oil pressure, when it was just a faulty sensor.
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Glad my Fit is cheap and old enough to mostly have normal service requirements. Except for the maintenance minder wanting to have the oil filter changed every other oil change for some reason* and the 'lifetime' fuel filter that's inside the fuel tank. Though that reminds of something that might be relevant to this thread. DrPain or any other professionals, do you run into any issues with 'lifetime' fuel (or other) filters? Every vehicle I've owned has needed at least one fuel filter at some point so I don't know how this lifetime filter isn't going to lead to trouble. * I'm not going 16,000 miles on a loving oil filter especially when it's tiny and the OEM filter is like $2.50.
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Apr 30, 2014 21:53
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I just bought a TJ Wrangler with 185K on the clock that's exhibiting symptoms of low fuel pressure (hard starts, stuttering under acceleration when cold, sluggish up hills) and I wish I could try replacing a $5-10 filter before dropping the tank. IDGI.
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Apr 30, 2014 22:06
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Nope, all 97 and later Jeeps have a combo check valve, FPR, and filter module that costs $75+ and (as you already know) the tank has to be dropped to get at it. Keeping these parts each $5-20 and separate/easy to get at was not a good idea, you see. http://www.jeep4x4center.com/fuel-filter-fits-all-engines-4798301.html
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Apr 30, 2014 22:16
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I see that your brotruck estimates don't contain all suggested maintenance that should be done when otherwise doing work on the area. I mocked up one with them just so you can see how much free money you're losing 
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Apr 30, 2014 22:21
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DrPain posted:You make a good point, it was just hilarious to me when that BMW driver was FREAKING. THE gently caress. OUT. that he had lost oil pressure, when it was just a faulty sensor. My Audi burns a little oil and will generally need a quart topoff between oil changes (normal for the 2.0T.) When I got the car I a) didn't realize this and b) didn't realize the oil level light was different from the oil pressure light, so the first time it popped on while cruising at highway speeds I drat near panicked.
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Apr 30, 2014 22:24
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kastein posted:Nope, all 97 and later Jeeps have a combo check valve, FPR, and filter module that costs $75+ and (as you already know) the tank has to be dropped to get at it. [derail] Thanks for the heads-up on that; I got a new pump module, figuring the pump sock was the only filter in the system (and also LOL gauge accuracy). Didn't know there was a real filter in the system. [/derail]
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Apr 30, 2014 22:29
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Snowdens Secret posted:My Audi burns a little oil and will generally need a quart topoff between oil changes (normal for the 2.0T.) When I got the car I a) didn't realize this and b) didn't realize the oil level light was different from the oil pressure light, so the first time it popped on while cruising at highway speeds I drat near panicked. BMW did this better on the E39 (S62, at least); I get a message saying "Check engine oil level". Simple, hard to misinterpret, and should result in less panic. Of course, it'd be a lot nicer if the car didn't burn enough of its
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Galler posted:* I'm not going 16,000 miles on a loving oil filter especially when it's tiny and the OEM filter is like $2.50. The sample I sent Blackstone out of my CR-V was the second change on the factory oil filter. I think these modern engines are so sealed up in terms of their crankcase that if there's even anything significant that the filter needs to take out, something is already very wrong.
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Apr 30, 2014 22:40
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My 550i burned oil as well.... about a quart ever 4000 miles. I wondered why that compartment in the trunk was oil bottle sized. Anyways, did the Intimdator come back in? Those style Monte Carlos are just.... just awful. The Lumina 2 door models were decent, if not boring as gently caress.
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Apr 30, 2014 22:42
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KaiserBen posted:BMW did this better on the E39 (S62, at least); I get a message saying "Check engine oil level". Simple, hard to misinterpret, and should result in less panic. Of course, it'd be a lot nicer if the car didn't burn enough of its It would be nice to have a separate light on the dash that would come on in cases like that and say "Don't panic". Seems like a very SAAB thing to do, so prolly not happening anymore.
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kastein posted:Of course, people could just, you know, carry spare oil and check the level when the light comes on, but that's expecting someone to open the hood. I still wouldn't trust that too much, Subaru managed to find a failure mode where you have oil but no pressure. The oil pickup on the turbo motors can crack right at the top (most speculate due to the tube being brazed onto the flange with the joint being stressed by vibration at certain rpms) and you end up with no oil pressure. It's mostly an overblown issue, but still, the chance is there. There are aftermarket pickups that are really overbuilt to combat this issue. I wish there would be more driver education so we can have fun things back, like an actually oil pressure gauge, or temp gauge, or factory turbo motors where you can actually hear the spool or blow off. You know, nothing obnoxious, but I'm guessing people who panic when their car makes any sort of noise or actually gives any real feedback 
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Bajaha posted:I wish there would be more driver education so we can have fun things back, like an actually oil pressure gauge, or temp gauge, or factory turbo motors where you can actually hear the spool or blow off. You know, nothing obnoxious, but I'm guessing people who panic when their car makes any sort of noise or actually gives any real feedback With more and more advanced ICE on the same bus as the ECU I'd expect to see GT-R style flatscreen parameter display apps becoming more common. Hell, you're starting to see these with smartphone integration on motorcycles. Factory turbo spool / blowoff IIRC has been legislated out of existence for noise levels.
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Apr 30, 2014 22:58
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Petrol car engines are almost all becoming VGT now so no blowoff required, anyway.
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Apr 30, 2014 23:12
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Sormus posted:I see that your brotruck estimates don't contain all suggested maintenance that should be done when otherwise doing work on the area. A couple of my co-workers bought bro trucks at the same time two years ago. Once bought a ridiculous 6.4L PowerStroke with dual wheels (presumably for the 450lb jet ski he occasionally tows) and the other a lifted Silverado. They both have since sold them because maintenance and repair costs nearly put them in the poor house, and now both drive midsize import sedans. The same practical cars we were ridiculed for driving a short time ago.
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Apr 30, 2014 23:18
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Snowdens Secret posted:With more and more advanced ICE on the same bus as the ECU I'd expect to see GT-R style flatscreen parameter display apps becoming more common. Hell, you're starting to see these with smartphone integration on motorcycles. I have a bluetooth ODB2 connector and Torque. Assuming you have the phone (I use a 7" tablet), you can get the bluetooth adapter for like $15 for a Chinese one, or $50 for a name brand. That's all you need. It will display all of that information in real time.
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Apr 30, 2014 23:20
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HotCanadianChick posted:Before you start heaping too much praise on Toyota for their water pumps, you should look up what's involved in replacing the starter on the 1UZ in that LS400. That'll make you rethink how much you like Toyota engineering. Or a starter on an earlier 4 Runner. I don't get people that are proud about changing their own oil for the "savings". Pretty much any shop has some sort of oil change specials going on. If its an excuse to get into the garage and away from the wife thats one thing, but there is no way you can change your own oil without spending less than 24 bucks and getting a garage covered in oil. Plus now you have used oil you have to get rid of. Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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 THE INTERNATIONAL IS DONE  That big loving Allison transmission took no less than 18 quarts of dex/merc to fill it back up. Holy goddamn. I got the invoice all written up, and we came in right bang on our estimate, and at a healthy profit margin to boot! I love working on these big trucks, they are the best jobs. Usually high dollar repairs mean less margin, but this job was absolutely a home run for us. The techs got paid, the shop made some money, and the customer is happy as a clam to get this big fucker back to work. Work began on the PT cruiser today, as well. The timing belt is not broken entirely, but the teeth on it are pretty badly worn, and there is a ton of belt debris in the timing cover.    Back to rangerchat for a minute if I may.  This belongs to a parts store delivery driver, and while I don't care for his baby moon wheels with all terrain tires, or dual rear exhaust with glass packs (not pictured), I kind of dig the headlights and grille. Is the billet grille look pass, and would those newer generation headlights and side mirrors fit on my truck? I think they might. I know he's got a newer front clip, which can be swapped, but to swap one of those onto my truck would require paint, and I'm not keen on paint. I'm very strongly considering one of these drop in grille inserts. Thoughts? DrPain fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Apr 30, 2014 23:53
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I think the billet grille thing came and left in the late 90s, and hasn't come back around yet. What about doing something to your existing grille, like black PlastiKote?
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A Melted Tarp posted:I think the billet grille thing came and left in the late 90s, and hasn't come back around yet. Yeah, painting it black was my other thought. Though I'd also have to paint my new radiator, as it would show through.
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Well, either black or body color.
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You can swap the headlights/clip into yours. years ago I put those same lights on a festiva. hah
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That Ranger looks lovely, like a high school kid butchered it. sorry  Yours looks way better. Preoptopus posted:I don't get people that are proud about changing their own oil for the "savings". Pretty much any shop has some sort of oil change specials going on. If its an excuse to get into the garage and away from the wife thats one thing, but there is no way you can change your own oil without spending less than 24 bucks and getting a garage covered in oil. Plus now you have used oil you have to get rid of. How retarded must someone be that they can't change oil without getting it all over the garage? And it's not like taking the oil back to the parts store that you got it from in the first place is a daunting task. I will always change my own oil and do as much of my own work as I can because I know it's done right and it gives me a chance to inspect and understand better the machine I drive around everyday. And the savings come in when you don't have to sit around the shop waiting for it to be done(or deal with getting a ride) and more savings when the oil change monkeys don't strip the poo poo out of you drain plug threads or wrench the filter on so hard it's never coming off again, or break any number of clips or tabs on the undertray aventari fucked around with this message at 05:17 on May 1, 2014 |
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I change my own oil because it doesn't take a loving impact wrench to torque a sump plug to 18ft/lb. Tried to convince my mechanic that for two years but now I'm gonna learn to do the rest of the scheduled service myself.
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Preoptopus posted:I don't get people that are proud about changing their own oil for the "savings". Pretty much any shop has some sort of oil change specials going on. If its an excuse to get into the garage and away from the wife thats one thing, but there is no way you can change your own oil without spending less than 24 bucks and getting a garage covered in oil. Plus now you have used oil you have to get rid of. If you have the kind of car that is happy with 5 quarts of generic conventional oil in a common weight, then sure it's hard to beat the $25 oil change special. But if you have a car that requires synthetic oil, high ZDDP oil, lots of oil, and/or an uncommon viscosity, then DIY can be a substantial savings. BWM M-motor? 6-8 liters of fully synthetic 10W60 required. Nobody but the BMW dealer or BMW specialist has this on hand and it'll be over $150. DIY cost: ~$85 Air-cooled porsche? 10-12 quarts of high ZDDP 20W50. Ditto for hard to find and $100+. DIY cost: $70-90
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some of us have a 1-1/8" drain plug placed horizontally right beside the driverside exhaust downpipe. It'll dump 7.5 quarts of high zddp 15-40 in about 10 seconds. Right on the exhaust system which makes a rainbow of oil. Good thing 5 gallon buckets and shop sized dust pans fit under the drat thing.
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aventari posted:I will always change my own oil and do as much of my own work as I can because I know it's done right and it gives me a chance to inspect and understand better the machine I drive around everyday. This is why I change mine, too. I like doing as much of my own work as possible, even though I'm far from a mechanic. I don't save a whole lot on the oil change, but the time savings is amazing. Need to change my oil? I can do it under half an hour instead of having to wait an hour at the least and over 2 if I also need my tires rotated. Bonus: I work at a parts store on the weekends, so I can buy and recycle my oil all without having to go out of my way at all.
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cursedshitbox posted:some of us have a 1-1/8" drain plug placed horizontally right beside the driverside exhaust downpipe. I think telling the newbie to do an oil change on a Disco without prior warning is some form of hazing in Rover shops. The one I worked at got me good with it. I change my own oil because it's a good excuse to get under the car and check other stuff out every couple months, and I know it's done right with the kind of oil I want, not whatever brand the shop gets kickbacks from for forcing on their customers.
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aventari posted:How retarded must someone be that they can't change oil without getting it all over the garage? And it's not like taking the oil back to the parts store that you got it from in the first place is a daunting task. One of the many, many drain bolts on my motorcycle will shoot out oil at such a rate that it will hit the front wheel. All the while, the other drain bolts are still dripping oil, right onto the exhausts even if you use the supplied oil drain chute. It's pretty much a 2-3 catch pan job, and a messy one at that.
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cursedshitbox posted:Good thing 5 gallon buckets and shop sized dust pans fit under the drat thing. My girlfriend bought these nifty storage boxes designed to roll under beds. Lots of volume and spread out. So naturally I took them and use them for wide area drip trays.
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Once you figure out the flow paths, making drain chutes out of aluminum foil takes little time and costs pennies. Also doing your own oil change may or may not make efficient use of time / money, but for many owners it's a rare opportunity to look under their vehicle and maybe become aware of any other material issues going on down there.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Once you figure out the flow paths, making drain chutes out of aluminum foil takes little time and costs pennies. My new car is all GM-LAN stuff as far as electronics, and in a fit of inspiration I replaced my whole centre console, HVAC to emulate dual-zone, reprogrammed VIN into up-spec stereo etc so I could have loving USB inputs while retaining steering wheel controls. As the resident 'electronics expert' my friends keep coming to me for all their poo poo after hearing about it. I just 'hmmm' and 'ooooh' until they decide to take it to someone who knows what they are talking about. I am well prepared to gently caress up my own stuff and walk tail between my legs to a pro but I am not doing it to other people cars.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I think these modern engines are so sealed up in terms of their crankcase that if there's even anything significant that the filter needs to take out, something is already very wrong. The last sample I sent Blackstone had nearly 11k on both the oil and filter. The only thing worth noting is they mentioned slightly (very slightly) elevated silicon levels in the oil. That oil had a road trip on it that involved a lot of dirt roads/trails on it. The followup email they sent me after asking about the silicon and mentioning trails was basically "... you took an Ion that far off the beaten path? Are you loving crazy? SEND US MORE SAMPLES WE GOTTA SEE THIS poo poo!!" Preoptopus posted:I don't get people that are proud about changing their own oil for the "savings". Pretty much any shop has some sort of oil change specials going on. If its an excuse to get into the garage and away from the wife thats one thing, but there is no way you can change your own oil without spending less than 24 bucks and getting a garage covered in oil. Plus now you have used oil you have to get rid of. 5 quarts of Mobil 1 Synthetic 5W30 at Walmart: $25 + tax AC Delco oil filter, also at Walmart: $8 (they have a Fram that fits, but the Delco filter is the same price, and I'm not a big fan of Fram oil filters) Cheapest full synthetic oil change I've priced from a shop in the past year: $60. And they wanted to add $10 for the "special" oil filter (cartridge) that my car uses. Nevermind the fact that every GM 4 cylinder made in the past ~12 years uses the same filter style.. So... $25 + 8 = $33. Add a $25 Blackstone job in, and the $3 (less, actually) to mail them a sample. I'm up to $61. For Mobil 1, an "OE" filter, and an oil analysis. The typical lube shop wants $60+ for just an oil and filter job, and they'd stare through you and ask what language you were speaking if you mentioned "can you get a sample for me?". The nearest shop that will actually use Mobil 1 wants $75... and again, since I use a speshul snowflake oil filter, they want at least another  extra for the filter (even though the filter, from the dealer, runs about $8 - and we both know the lube shop gets a bulk rate on whatever no-name poo poo they use).Now if you used whatever cheap oil you can get your hands on, then maybe a local lube shop might be a few bucks more than a DIY job; it definitely won't be a chain though; the cheapest chains are around $30 for the cheapest oil change. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 12:24 on May 1, 2014 |
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some texas redneck posted:The last sample I sent Blackstone had nearly 11k on both the oil and filter. That pretty much backs up the validity of the standard 12K mile / 20K km oil change interval on most newer cars. Unless you're driving something super high-strong or otherwise out of the ordinary, 3K mile oil changes are a waste at best.
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This winter when it was colder than poo poo I didn't want to change my oil, so I called a few shops to see if they would use my oil and filter (already had it and don't want to use cheap stuff) and just do the labor. Most said no, one said they'd do it for around $40-50. So, I manned up and did it myself. Sorry to continue the thread hijack. 
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KozmoNaut posted:That pretty much backs up the validity of the standard 12K mile / 20K km oil change interval on most newer cars. Unless you're driving something super high-strong or otherwise out of the ordinary, 3K mile oil changes are a waste at best. tell that to the idiots who buy new subarus at my work. Which Subaru recommends 7500 intervals, and these idiots come in at 3000 and under...  the worst part about those oil changes is the service writer's still expect us to find problems with the car.  "so does this car need any added maintenance" " No its only got 2800 miles. It doesn't even need the oil change" " so why cant you find anything else to sell then" " Because its a 2015 and shouldn't even be getting an oil change"  I love my job
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This makes me feel a lot better about the 10K change interval on my Fiesta ST. I have 6k on it now and I feel terrible not changing the oil even though it's a lease. I'm going to stop worrying!
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I mean, maybe a stupid question, but is there anything directly bad/harmful about changing the oil a little sooner than recommended? Our Toyota recommends every 8000km (so about 5000miles), but I usually bring it in around 5000km or so. I do live in the frozen north, if that makes any difference.
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The closest thing I can think of is "greater risk of someone forgetting to put oil back in it" because you're changing it more often. Aside from lightening the wallet a bit / environmental concerns, there's nothing wrong with it. That said, unless your car is considerably older, or your drives are all really short ones that never get the engine properly hot, or you only rack up 5000km in a year, that's a really short change interval.
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I change the oil in my 2002 wrangler every 3000 miles, give or take 500 miles. I just feel like it will blow up otherwise.
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