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The Jumpoff posted:That is a huge disappointment. In my shotgun-forcer build, it ends up as 50 damage, 14 accurracy, 28 stability and 45 mag size/100 total ammo. This is more or less with the good-looking mods, too, without taking all that much care about stats. The Bren magazine gives you another 20 rounds and a stability bonus in exchange for accurracy and concealment and makes it a pretty murderous weapon. 14 accurracy is good enough for single shots at medium range, you double-tap Tans and tripple-tap Cloakers and Tasers and half a mag on full auto up close will melt a Dozers face right off. Long-range is a bit hit and miss, but still good enough to work as an anti-sniper weapon on most maps. I just love that fuckin /k/ of all people managed to win the poetry contest. 
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John Murdoch posted:Edit: I wonder if a keycard can spawn in that The safe behind the painting indeedy can spawn a key card.
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Jun 18, 2014 01:41
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you can dominate a guard at the pig drop spot to get the achievement
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Magni posted:In my shotgun-forcer build, it ends up as 50 damage, 14 accurracy, 28 stability and 45 mag size/100 total ammo. This is more or less with the good-looking mods, too, without taking all that much care about stats. The Bren magazine gives you another 20 rounds and a stability bonus in exchange for accurracy and concealment and makes it a pretty murderous weapon. 14 accurracy is good enough for single shots at medium range, you double-tap Tans and tripple-tap Cloakers and Tasers and half a mag on full auto up close will melt a Dozers face right off. This is one of the gun porniest games around.
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Jun 18, 2014 01:48
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I hope this is the only mission with a price tag on it, I don't want to pay $20 for the whole Dentist job list.
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Jun 18, 2014 01:50
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Big Bank is really fun, but man is the payout absolute poo poo for the effort required.
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Dezztroy posted:Big Bank is really fun, but man is the payout absolute poo poo for the effort required. What's the payout for cleaning out the vault?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:08
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FAUXTON posted:What's the payout for cleaning out the vault? The vault has 2-6 mini vaults, each one can have 2-3 bags of money and 1-2 bags of gold. Up to four of the vaults can have pickable lockboxes. Every single lockbox will have loot, either high-value instant cash or a bag item. Which means that every wall of pickable lockboxes is good for about $200K of instant cash, and that's before any bag loot. Doing it loud is fun, but stealth is a low payout if you get caught while still taking the loot out.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:19
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Noticed a couple funny things : Firstly, it looks like Simon Viklund is an NPC in the new heist : Secondly, possible teaser about a return to First World Bank :
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Jun 18, 2014 03:19
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Alkydere posted:The vault has 2-6 mini vaults, each one can have 2-3 bags of money and 1-2 bags of gold. Up to four of the vaults can have pickable lockboxes. Every single lockbox will have loot, either high-value instant cash or a bag item. Which means that every wall of pickable lockboxes is good for about $200K of instant cash, and that's before any bag loot. Basically it's a huge payout but you can't just carry out a couple bags of cash and expect a cool million?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:23
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FAUXTON posted:What's the payout for cleaning out the vault? We cleared it out on overkill and got a little over 500k spending.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:24
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You can stand right next to these office workers in full 75 concealment gear while in casing mode and they won't notice you. Pretty helpful if you've got someone pinging the computer to try and figure out the right one.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:26
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The open time lock door alerts any guard who spots it and on higher difficulties there are too many guards up front even with poison cake to neutralize them all. So I'm not sure how you are meant to clear the whole vault including the wall boxes on stealth. Without getting all the loot the payout is pretty slim. Their paths around the bank seem especially random. They will walk into places they have not visited for 15 minutes on a whim, so any guard can at any time decide to walk over toward that door.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:32
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Mr E posted:We cleared it out on overkill and got a little over 500k spending. Either you missed the lockboxes or Alkydere is bullshitting the numbers.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:32
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Lester Shy posted:You can stand right next to these office workers in full 75 concealment gear while in casing mode and they won't notice you. Pretty helpful if you've got someone pinging the computer to try and figure out the right one. Civs never spot you in casing mode, period. Wee Tinkle Wand posted:The open time lock door alerts any guard who spots it and on higher difficulties there are too many guards up front even with poison cake to neutralize them all. So I'm not sure how you are meant to clear the whole vault including the wall boxes on stealth. Without getting all the loot the payout is pretty slim.  I've only ever seen two guards in the front of the bank + one from the elevators during the time lock. This included OVK and I think DW, too.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:38
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FAUXTON posted:Either you missed the lockboxes or Alkydere is bullshitting the numbers. We probably missed some of the lockboxes.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:45
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John Murdoch posted:Civs never spot you in casing mode, period. I'm an idiot. I have over 100 hours in this game and I've been avoiding civs the entire time.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:46
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Lester Shy posted:I'm an idiot. I have over 100 hours in this game and I've been avoiding civs the entire time. To be honest, I didn't quite cotton onto it until GO Bank. It's not like you really mingle with civs on most stealth maps, and you did so even less often before the Chameleon buff.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:49
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I imagine that they cut back on the possible value of all the loot in the bank because of the First World Bank effect from the first game, where you would log in to find a thousand FWB lobbies and only a handful of other maps. Perhaps they will balance it out in time.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:56
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John Murdoch posted:Civs never spot you in casing mode, period. Maybe I need to recount or something, but when I tried to bag and tag all the guards there was one leftover. This was on Overkill. I'll try again later and see.
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FAUXTON posted:Basically it's a huge payout but you can't just carry out a couple bags of cash and expect a cool million? Basically. It's a huge payout but you have to work for every step and if something goes wrong you kinda lose out no matter how much work you did to that point. Unlike Shadow Raid where you can (and should) stock up the van as you go. Mr E posted:We probably missed some of the lockboxes. Probably. Note that I was describing offshore (e-peen) money, not actual take home money. Spending's 1/4 of that. Anyways, for hot getaways: obviously the default roof exit is the worst, but is free if you want to buy some other stuff (like the thermite drill). My crew and I have tried out all the other getaways and we have to say that the Elevator trick is pretty good: equidistant and a short trip from all the vault door locations but the elevator lobby is somewhat exposed. The Bus Stop is probably the outright best: closest to the left vaults and good cover. C4 Tunneling is kinda cool but almost as bad as going to the airlift. It's a nice and short trip from the right-side vault doors but then you have a gauntlet of four snipers that respawn almost immediately, at least on Overkill they did. Also, my crew had an issue with corpses and smoke grenades never despawning. Wasn't so bad for corpses (the bank started to look like the streets of Stalingrad), but the smoke caused one player's computer to CTD and was starting to grind down another player's computer. Wee Tinkle Wand posted:Maybe I need to recount or something, but when I tried to bag and tag all the guards there was one leftover. This was on Overkill. My crew stealthed it on DW and there were only 2 guards in the front, one possible from the elevator during the time-lock, and 4 in the back. If you get lucky and use the poisoned cake that's 5 guards total (cake permanently freezes one guard in the cafeteria where he spends the round puking his guts out). Also, the call during the timelock can spawn 3 patrol cops. These honestly don't pose much of a problem other than using up 3 body bags since they don't have pagers. Also, you can buy multiple body-bag drops if you want to go hog wild and clear out massive piles of civilians. Alkydere fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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So after a long session of bank robbing and cop murdering, our crew came away with the death wish, stealth, and dropping the pig on a slightly smaller pig. Goddamn does this bank have a shitton of bodies thrown at it.Skoll posted:Firstly, it looks like Simon Viklund is an NPC in the new heist : Also he's a demon or something I think.
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Yeah, those were the pictures. I was not kidding about "streets of Leningrad". Arlingon Cemetary had less dead soldiers per square foot than that bank by the time we were done. I'm pretty sure we went through over a dozen dozers by the time we were done. Also, another picture of freaky exorcist civilian. Every civilian who sits in the chair suddenly becomes an owl with a dislocated neck:
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Skoll posted:It isn't versatile at all. It's a reskin of the Eagle with the same drat limitations. It has a few more pieces to it but that doesn't change the fact that it's still the same piece of poo poo we got before. Ya, got to agree, it looks neat, but it's pretty much the Eagle again. That said, I love the big bank, though I haven't tried all the exits yet. I know it's a long shot, but I do hope they add pre-planning to some earlier maps.
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Alkydere posted:Basically. It's a huge payout but you have to work for every step and if something goes wrong you kinda lose out no matter how much work you did to that point. Unlike Shadow Raid where you can (and should) stock up the van as you go. Also unlike shadow raid you're able to go loud without triggering a 60-second GTFO timer just as you're slogging out a 500-lb set of samurai armor.
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On Hard for the Big Bank between 4 people we had something like a thousand kills. There were basically helmets everywhere.
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Brainamp posted:So after a long session of bank robbing and cop murdering, our crew came away with the death wish, stealth, and dropping the pig on a slightly smaller pig. Goddamn does this bank have a shitton of bodies thrown at it.  Jesus, it looks like the aftermath of a Total War battle, just indoors.
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they need to hurry up and add mexican wrestler masks maybe for a hector themed series of dlc
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Anybody have the pictures of what everything means with the HoxHud layout? Search is down again apparently.
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Robot Randy posted:they need to hurry up and add mexican wrestler masks There's already a luchador pattern, got it on one of my first games Shows up for poo poo on most masks, though, just like most patterns
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Darwinism posted:There's already a luchador pattern, got it on one of my first games Put it on the Hard difficulty mask with dark colors. It looks great.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:
Honestly it would be awesome if it didn't cause people to start lagging out and crashing due to all the smoke. The corpses not despawning is metal as gently caress, but not so much for the resource intensive smoke. It wasn't an issue for me as the host because for some reason I wasn't affected by it, but by the end it was starting to give the other heisters stability issues.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anybody have the pictures of what everything means with the HoxHud layout? Search is down again apparently. It's pretty straightforward. What's confusing you? The poo poo up on the right corner is zipped civs, (loose civs, if those exist), pagers left, body bags, Gage packages. Everything else has a label on it.
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So after a long night of attempting various cheevos, I'm considering the following: 1) Big Bank is now MurderCiv instead of ShootCop when trying to stealth it. Seriously, police murder simulator was one thing, this is just kill anything with a pulse and eyes. 2) Deathwish cams are not titan cams. This is obviously a mistake/bug. No one should even have a hope of stealthing Big Bank. 3) The best possible spawns of interactables are downstairs doors, downstairs computer room near cubicals, downstairs firewall computer, and inside vault area keys. 4) 7 chained fully upgraded ECMs will get you a 4 bag stealth success if you start after hitting one of the green buttons. 5) Stealth Bonus is +30%. 6) Deathwish is possible with the above ECM tactic, and allowing loud to hit. Escape is immediately available after chucking bags.
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Mr E posted:We cleared it out on overkill and got a little over 500k spending.  Glad we stuck it out even though things got ugly after we got into the vault. I'm not used to shotties and I couldn't take a Cloaker at 2m with four rounds from the Mosconi... but somehow, we were okay!Good times, but I'm definitely looking forward to playing the heist loud on Overkill or something in the future. v I know for sure a keycard can spawn in the window-side center cubicles on the first floor. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Does anybody have a general idea of where keycards might spawn? I've only ever gotten a cheese sandwich out of the hidden safe behind the painting, but I assume that's one of the possible locations. Edit: vvvv Yeah, on Big Bank. Lester Shy fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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A keycard spawns in the potted plant on the far left corner of the first floor. That's the only one I saw when I played with my buddies. edit: If you're talking about big bank, I mean.
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Lester Shy posted:Does anybody have a general idea of where keycards might spawn? I've only ever gotten a cheese sandwich out of the hidden safe behind the painting, but I assume that's one of the possible locations. In the cantina on the ledge (by the cake if you bought it), is another location.
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Lester Shy posted:You can stand right next to these office workers in full 75 concealment gear while in casing mode and they won't notice you. Pretty helpful if you've got someone pinging the computer to try and figure out the right one. Funny you should say that, with 3 concealment, you can stand behind their chair and hack the PC they are working on without them detecting you. And then just run out of the cubicle. Darwinism posted:There's already a luchador pattern, got it on one of my first games Mr. Mannequinn is amazingly good for that pattern. Or Ms. Mannequinn.
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