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Nihilarian posted:The only Azure_Horizon LP's in the archive are ones that he did with other people. I imagine Baldurk left them in so he wasn't punishing not-rapists, but took down all his solo acts. My understanding is that he requested they be removed for ~reasons~ which may or may not have been related to his ban, not that they were removed arbitrarily by a mod. Same for why they are no longer on lparchive. Someone posted an alternative off-site archive of it either earlier in this thread or in the main ff thread in games but I can't remember where or be arsed to look. Anyways, enough about former forums poster AH. I'm pretty excited to see where this goes next - hopefully Elentor isn't getting too sidetracked by Star Citizen 
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Kalenn Istarion posted:My understanding is that he requested they be removed for ~reasons~ which may or may not have been related to his ban, not that they were removed arbitrarily by a mod. Same for why they are no longer on lparchive. Someone posted an alternative off-site archive of it either earlier in this thread or in the main ff thread in games but I can't remember where or be arsed to look. I'm not really playing Star Citizen, though, I'll wait a few months/years on it. I was practicing for some League of Legends tournaments in my spare time and finishing the Telltale Sam & Max series. 
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Elentor posted:I'm not really playing Star Citizen, though, I'll wait a few months/years on it. I was practicing for some League of Legends tournaments in my spare time and finishing the Telltale Sam & Max series. Both admirable goals, regardless of what anyone says about Telltale's earlier (aka "pre-Walking Dead") works. But yeah, FF8 remains a cursed game, in its own way. It's never been completed in a way that the entire internet can see, at least.
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Jul 4, 2014 17:24
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KataraniSword posted:But yeah, FF8 remains a cursed game, in its own way. It's never been completed in a way that the entire internet can see, at least. I'm pretty sure Leovinus completed it once. Then he tried to do it again and lost his mind.
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Why did he try to do it twice? I can't remember the rationale
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KKKLIP ART posted:Why did he try to do it twice? I can't remember the rationale He wasn't happy with all the dated jokes and was giving the game more of a fair shake in terms of plot (but still taking the piss out of it because there are so many  moments)
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Jul 4, 2014 20:09
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KataraniSword posted:Both admirable goals, regardless of what anyone says about Telltale's earlier (aka "pre-Walking Dead") works. I really like Telltale games. Just recently I finished Puzzle Agent and found it really charming.
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Jul 4, 2014 22:02
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For what it's worth. The FF8 Leovinus let's play was the 1st ever lets play I read. It was like almost 8 years ago or something. I used to read it every 2 years or so. I should have made a back up. I really liked that LP.
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Sefal posted:For what it's worth. The FF8 Leovinus let's play was the 1st ever lets play I read. It was like almost 8 years ago or something. I used to read it every 2 years or so. I should have made a back up. I really liked that LP. If you have Archives... actually, nevermind. The images were uploaded to PhotoBucket.
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Jul 5, 2014 00:01
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KataraniSword posted:But yeah, FF8 remains a cursed game, in its own way. It's never been completed in a way that the entire internet can see, at least. Kinda like how a large number of people stopped playing FF8 after the first disk. ... What? Someone had to say it.
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Jul 5, 2014 01:36
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Just read the dirge of cerebus LP instead.
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Jul 5, 2014 01:55
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waah posted:Just read the dirge of cerebus LP instead. Yet a good game in it's own right, if it was FF7 plastered, it might have been received better.
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Jul 5, 2014 03:04
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Leovinus' first FF8 LP had lots of jokes calling Squall gay. Not a great look for the year 2014.
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zakharov posted:Leovinus' first FF8 LP had lots of jokes calling Squall gay. Not a great look for the year 2014. Think it was Zell, but the point stands
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Zifnab posted:Think it was Zell, but the point stands Both wrong, it was Laguna. And it remains funny.
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Oxxidation posted:Both wrong, it was Laguna. And it remains funny. In moderation it was, but it laid it on way too thick. He made Family Guy jokes like the knee injury or "He's a Phoney!" look restrained.
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Jul 5, 2014 22:29
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It was pretty much every male character not named Kiros, because after Kiros's introduction Leo tended to use him to get his daily recommended allowance of gay jokes in.
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Honestly I never felt the gay jokes were too much. Or rather, they were, and thats what made it funny. Kiros' dedication to calling Laguna gay in every immature way he could think of. Gave a slimmer of characterization to an otherwise flat cardboard cut out.
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Akratic Method posted:Were there subtleties like this in 8? I always remembered the big plot twists there as being kind of non-sequiturs, but I guess when I played it I was 16 and this LP proves I wasn't exactly reading subtexts at the time since I missed all the ones in FF7. In disc 1 when the radio antennae or whatever are brought back so Galbadia and Edea can make an announcement, you run past a TV displaying a mysterious message: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Timber_TV_Station.jpg quote:IAMALIVEHERE
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IIRC most places that any real connection to the real world had landline/cable as a means of communication, brought about partly because of the dramatic static caused by Adel. Dollet had a dish capable of breaking through the static, but not possibly the everyone or requiring some masssive power draw or something. The tower certainly uses a lot of loving juice, considering that I thought the tower was secretly a death laser and not a big old antenna when I was a kid playing it.
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VagueRant posted:There's nowhere near as much stuff like this in VIII, but there is one that kinda blew my mind. And it sucks that Leovinus' LP is gone so I can't grab an image from it. Fortunately the wiki has the screenshot. There are hints, bits of a good story in there... But it's so buried under the rest that it's lost.
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VagueRant posted:There's nowhere near as much stuff like this in VIII, but there is one that kinda blew my mind. And it sucks that Leovinus' LP is gone so I can't grab an image from it. Fortunately the wiki has the screenshot. Thanks for the memories there Rant, makes me still like Final Fantasy VIII despite all the struggles I had with it.
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FinalGamer posted:...that is...pretty awesome and drat creepy and I finally now know what the hell that TV was. You know it's on Steam, right? Though it suffers from the same issues VII did on release of steam, what with the MIDI soundtrack, and some summons missing sounds.
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Re: Leovinus' original FFVIII LP, from what I've heard it was very high quality at the time it was made, so at least from an archaeological-standpoint it's significant. My opinion that either his LP or Azure's should be on lparchive.org because FFVIII's story makes FFVII's look simplistic.
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SirPhoebos posted:Re: Leovinus' original FFVIII LP, from what I've heard it was very high quality at the time it was made, so at least from an archaeological-standpoint it's significant. I think that's more of the fact that FF8's story is considered more...  then really followable. Granted, there are a ton of theories, though the whole thing with the TV puts a hole in the Squall's Dead theory.
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SirPhoebos posted:Re: Leovinus' original FFVIII LP, from what I've heard it was very high quality at the time it was made, so at least from an archaeological-standpoint it's significant. I'm trying to think of a polite way to say "well too bad your opinion doesn't matter," but ... well. The two people with opinions that matter are the author and baldurk. I think that's completely right, personally. (ps: history != archaeology)
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Silegna posted:I think that's more of the fact that FF8's story is considered more... Eh, I've always preferred the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory anyway.
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Silegna posted:I think that's more of the fact that FF8's story is considered more... Basically every major theory about FF8 makes it ridiculously depressing, whereas theories about FF7 are just attempts to explain what is even going on. So it's the opposite if you ask me.
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Silegna posted:though the whole thing with the TV puts a hole in the Squall's Dead theory. Not necessarily. I remember another thing that was supposed to disprove it, maybe it was how NORG is mentioned in the Garden computer on disc 1? Except it doesn't mention NORG being a huge yellow ballsack with giant hands? So maybe that TV transmission screen manifested in a space sorceress after disc 1? I dunno, it's been a long time since I've played/cared about VIII. And I never really believed or understood R=U but I do NOT want to go down that rabbit hole in this thread.
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Madmarker posted:Eh, I've always preferred the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory anyway. Nah, Rinoa isn't Ultimecia. Rinoa and Squall's daughter is Ultimecia.
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Bregor posted:Not necessarily. I remember another thing that was supposed to disprove it, maybe it was how NORG is mentioned in the Garden computer on disc 1? Except it doesn't mention NORG being a huge yellow ballsack with giant hands? So maybe that TV transmission screen manifested in a space sorceress after disc 1? I dunno, it's been a long time since I've played/cared about VIII. R=U is pretty much the same as the Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination theory: An attempt to explain something that makes next to no goddamned sense.
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I've never understood the need to prove or disprove the Squall's dead theory. It's obviously not a reading that's intended by the people behind FF8's plot, but it's a valid enough interpretation of what's there that gives the plot more impact for some people, and is more satisfying than what we're otherwise given. Same thing with R=U or the ME3 Indoctrination theory.
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Kajeesus posted:I've never understood the need to prove or disprove the Squall's dead theory. It's obviously not a reading that's intended by the people behind FF8's plot, but it's a valid enough interpretation of what's there that gives the plot more impact for some people, and is more satisfying than what we're otherwise given. Same thing with R=U or the ME3 Indoctrination theory. The problem is that a lot of people who buy in to such theories don't pay attention to the first part of that statement and go around forcing it on people in order to try to ~show the lesser fans the truth of the artists' true vision~. In exchange, you get people who oppose it just because the first group is just so blindingly dumb.
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The reality is everyone BUT Squall is dead.
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KataraniSword posted:The problem is that a lot of people who buy in to such theories don't pay attention to the first part of that statement and go around forcing it on people in order to try to ~show the lesser fans the truth of the artists' true vision~. In exchange, you get people who oppose it just because the first group is just so blindingly dumb. the teenage livejournal ones that is. Do people still use livejournal, god I'm old by internet standards.Silegna posted:You know it's on Steam, right? Though it suffers from the same issues VII did on release of steam, what with the MIDI soundtrack, and some summons missing sounds.  when they put FF9 on Steam and not give it a MIDI soundtrack, then I'm buying that poo poo.
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FinalGamer posted:Nah I'm good, I knew it was on Steam already but thanks for telling me Sadly, this will never happen. Hell, it'll never make it to Steam even with a lovely MIDI soundtrack.
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Kajeesus posted:I've never understood the need to prove or disprove the Squall's dead theory. It's obviously not a reading that's intended by the people behind FF8's plot, but it's a valid enough interpretation of what's there that gives the plot more impact for some people, and is more satisfying than what we're otherwise given. Same thing with R=U or the ME3 Indoctrination theory. Whatever works for you, I'm very "Death of the Author" when it comes to it. Personally, the Squall's dead theory never resonated with me, but Rinoa=Ultimecia seemed to work, and plug the plotholes that litter everything. Is it intended by the people who wrote/produced this game? Hell no. The same is true of Squall is dead. FF8 has a vague enough plot that all these theories can easily be seen as correct, albeit not simultaneously. FF7 has a very specific plot with very specific events that occurred. And even though these events are understated/misunderstood, the plot is open to far less interpretation. No one questions that Sephiroth/Jenova is the primary antagonist, merely which one is dominant. No one questions that Aerith is responsible for Holy helping save the planet, though there is debate over whether aerith/the planet/ or holy was actually directing things The only real debate about events in FF7 is whether or not it exists in the same universe/planet as FFX.
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