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In addition to castrating hogs, GOP senate candidate Joni Ernst enjoys nullifying laws Truly, Iowa must be proud
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Jul 28, 2014 21:56
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Jackson Taus posted:Some would argue that there should be a distinction between the roles - for instance WhiteHouse.gov shouldn't be as overtly partisan as obamaforamerica.org or whatever, because one is Obama wearing his "Leader of All Americans" hat and the other is Obama wearing his "Leader of the Democratic Party" hat. Yeah but the Speaker is an explicitly partisan role in the way the President isn't.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:00
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Why is the speaker any more an explicitly partisan role? It's not the house majority leader, even if it is the de facto leader of the house majority party.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:02
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Bunleigh posted:Don't forget the economy they wrecked and refuse to let anyone attempt to fix! They blame that on Clinton and Carter. My right wing father and law has never even heard of the Glass-Steagal act.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:05
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Magres posted:Why is the speaker any more an explicitly partisan role? It's not the house majority leader, even if it is the de facto leader of the house majority party. Because they are the de facto leader yes. And have no accountability to the public at large to boot, not even through indirect election like the President.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:10
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Honestly, I'm more pissed off he didn't reference Captain Jack over anything else since that Billy Joel song is criminally underrated when people talk about his work.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:11
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Nintendo Kid posted:Because they are the de facto leader yes. And have no accountability to the public at large to boot, not even through indirect election like the President. The president is the de facto leader of their party. And the speaker of the house has accountability to the public through their district. Unless by 'at large' you mean 'the entire country' which is a distinction I don't really see as terribly relevant.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:13
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Magres posted:The president is the de facto leader of their party. And the speaker of the house has accountability to the public through their district. The Speaker isn't even in charge of a whole branch. Sorry bud.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:15
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Keep moving those goalposts The correct answer to why one is explicitly partisan and the other is not is "tradition." Thanks for playing
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Jul 28, 2014 22:16
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BiggerBoat posted:I went to pay my mortgage today and realized my payment book was empty. When I called the bank they said the Federal Government had made them suspend the practice of payment books in lieu of monthly statements which seems stupid. The CFPB standardized mortgage payments a few months ago (good thing), maybe part of that?
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Jul 28, 2014 22:19
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Magres posted:Keep moving those goalposts And your point is? You admit it's partisan even.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:23
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Magres posted:Keep moving those goalposts Dude: it's fishmech.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:27
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The most objectionable parts of this are three-fold. 1. Southwest Ohio's problems are because morons like Boehner refuse to fund anything and keep voting themselves tax cuts even at the lowest levels of government. 2. Cincinnati's entire industry hold can be summed up as P&G + Fifth/Third. All the manufacturing is in Kentucky because it's even cheaper, and every other company of repute in Ohio would rather be in Columbus or Cleveland where more people are. 3 Cincinnati chili is awful, shameful spaghetti sauce masquerading as chili, and it's literally the worst local food in the US by far.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:31
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Fried Chicken posted:Dude: it's fishmech.  I always have hope that some day they will actually discuss something, ANYTHING in good faith instead of being a turd. Like I legit feel bad for them because I don't really think they're trolling, I think they're actually this socially incompetent and cannot understand why so many people get into it with them and think they're a terrible poster.In other news, I really wish English had separate third person singular and plural pronouns. It's a grievance of mine with this language of ours. Nintendo Kid posted:And your point is? You admit it's partisan even. The question I asked wasn't 'is it partisan' the discussion was 'why is it partisan.' I was looking to see if anyone had an answer other than 'tradition.' No one did, because the answer is up and down 'because it's tradition.' Please read and understand the question before answering, it's extremely unhelpful when you try to answer a different question than the one I asked.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:35
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i don't know how I feel about this. I mean, going to Burning Man is on my list, I'm saving up to go next year.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:36
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Magres posted:Why is the speaker any more an explicitly partisan role? It's not the house majority leader, even if it is the de facto leader of the house majority party. Because the Speaker is chosen by partisans. In America we expect that the president, now chosen by The People will govern over all of them but we have no such expectation for the Speaker of the House and the President Pro Tempore. So as you said, tradition.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:42
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HootTheOwl posted:Because the Speaker is chosen by partisans. Not really, since the Speaker is election through an open vote on the House floor, so there could be cross-partisan coalitions to elect a compromise Speaker. But the Speaker does control the floor because they appoint the members of the Rules committee who get to decide what measures make it to a vote.
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Jul 28, 2014 22:52
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Joementum posted:Not really, since the Speaker is election through an open vote on the House floor, so there could be cross-partisan coalitions to elect a compromise Speaker. This all did happen relatively recently in political history btw, it is how DeLay nearly pulled a coup against  in the summer of 1997, depending on whose account of that backstabbing clusterfuck you believe
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Jul 28, 2014 23:00
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I still can’t believe I managed to get romneywasright.gop.  That said, I really don’t want another election with Romney with it, and I really don’t want Romney to post icky, staged family photos.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:04
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Fried Chicken posted:i don't know how I feel about this. I mean, going to Burning Man is on my list, I'm saving up to go next year. ... Why?
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Jul 28, 2014 23:07
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Joementum posted:Not really, since the Speaker is election through an open vote on the House floor, so there could be cross-partisan coalitions to elect a compromise Speaker. Has there ever been a successful example of this or is this all theory? Because if it's never actually happened even though it could it would support the "it's tradition" line.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:12
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Fried Chicken posted:In addition to castrating hogs, GOP senate candidate Joni Ernst enjoys nullifying laws Hmm, picking and choosing which federal laws to follow or not follow....who else does this, so much so that the GOP was forced to file a lawsuit and threaten impeachment. For the life of me I can't remember. I think he's black, though.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:20
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Conspicuously absent: Allentown.
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Jul 28, 2014 23:21
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Speaking of Palin...holy poo poo this speech https://www.crooksandliars.com/2014/07/sarah-palins-oddball-speech-denver-sounds This is a must watch because she sounds inebriated heavily
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Jul 29, 2014 00:26
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Shifty Pony posted:Conspicuously absent: Allentown. It would have been easy, too. And no Leningrad foreign policy joke?
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Jul 29, 2014 00:33
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beatlegs posted:Hmm, picking and choosing which federal laws to follow or not follow....who else does this, so much so that the GOP was forced to file a lawsuit and threaten impeachment. Andrew Johnson? 
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Jul 29, 2014 00:46
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Palin...holy poo poo this speech Holy poo poo is right. She is drunk  I swear she's done the drunk 'oh god where'd my balance go' sway then settled back down onto the podium like three times
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Jul 29, 2014 00:48
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BiggerBoat posted:They blame that on Clinton and Carter. My right wing father and law has never even heard of the Glass-Steagal act. But... Clinton killed Glass-Steagal...
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Jul 29, 2014 00:49
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Shifty Pony posted:Conspicuously absent: Allentown. Hah good catch! Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Palin...holy poo poo this speech Ho boy.
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Jul 29, 2014 00:53
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Didn't Carter also really get the deregulation train rolling before Reagan?
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Jul 29, 2014 00:54
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Magres posted:Holy poo poo is right. She is drunk At least she doesn't need a teleprompter like 0bummer
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Jul 29, 2014 00:56
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:At least she doesn't need a teleprompter like 0bummer Well who would, what with the words swimming in and out of view regardless of where you looked?
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Jul 29, 2014 00:59
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Palin...holy poo poo this speech She's in Denver, so it might be a case of   Not quite as funny as the time Rick Perry took uppers to counter his pain pills in New Hampshire.
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Jul 29, 2014 01:00
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Radish posted:Didn't Carter also really get the deregulation train rolling before Reagan? IIRC both the airline and railroad industries were deregulated during his administration, so… maybe?
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Jul 29, 2014 01:00
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StandardVC10 posted:IIRC both the airline and railroad industries were deregulated during his administration, so… maybe? Railroad deregulation was in combination with the massive spate of governmental authorities taking over remaining passenger rail and to a limited extent freight rail depending on region. Conrail would remain government owned until 1987. Railroads also still remain heavily regulated, the main thing loosened up was price controls and ability to consolidate redundant infrastructure.
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Jul 29, 2014 01:05
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Nintendo Kid posted:Railroad deregulation was in combination with the massive spate of governmental authorities taking over remaining passenger rail and to a limited extent freight rail depending on region. Conrail would remain government owned until 1987. Fair enough, I must have been thinking of the Staggers Act specifically, which was in 1980. Conrail had been formed in 1976 after the dumpster fire that was Penn Central so I don't think Carter necessarily played a role, while Amtrak had existed since 1971.
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Jul 29, 2014 01:07
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StandardVC10 posted:IIRC both the airline and railroad industries were deregulated during his administration, so… maybe? Yeah looking into it he weakened Regulation Q of Glass-Steagall in 1980 with the Monetary Reform Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_Q
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Jul 29, 2014 01:10
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Radish posted:Didn't Carter also really get the deregulation train rolling before Reagan? Lots of good comments in the link as well. ufarn fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 29, 2014 |
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Jul 29, 2014 01:20
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StandardVC10 posted:Fair enough, I must have been thinking of the Staggers Act specifically, which was in 1980. Conrail had been formed in 1976 after the dumpster fire that was Penn Central so I don't think Carter necessarily played a role, while Amtrak had existed since 1971. Yeah arguably the Staggers Act has been the only good "deregulation" law passed in the history of the US, and it only managed that because of the nationalization of intercity passenger with Amtrak in the 70s, and the governmentalization of remaining commuter and short distance services through the 70s and 80s.
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Jul 29, 2014 01:32
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StandardVC10 posted:IIRC both the airline and railroad industries were deregulated during his administration, so… maybe? Speaking of the airlines, in today's Double-Speak Legislation Of The Day, the House today voted to lower advertised airline ticket prices and make them "more transparent".
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