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So many of the guys I wanted  Green's extension counts. All contracts are as they are including new RFA deals and extensions.
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Jul 31, 2014 13:36
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I've looked at Barkov for each of the last two picks, cannot believe he took this long to go. He is going to be a very good player for a very long time, I think he'll be considered the most 'complete' player from the 2013 draft within a year or two.
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Jul 31, 2014 13:45
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eXXon posted:Hi it's me gently caress you again. So is your list just the top five picks of the last four years?
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Jul 31, 2014 13:48
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Danny LaFever posted:So is your list just the top five picks of the last four years? That would be a good list but it would sort of exclude Couturier you know. Jordan7hm posted:Green's extension counts. All contracts are as they are including new RFA deals and extensions. This doesn't make any sense. Player values shouldn't change after the draft starts. Fine, the stated rules give an exception for current FAs, but they certainly don't imply anything about pending FAs.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:17
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My D is definitely going to suck. I kind of wanted a d-man with that last pick but there wasn't really anyone I rated at Couturier's level. I like the Spurgeon/Greene picks - two New NHL puck moving dudes who would do a great job hitting Johansen/Duchene in stride. Unfortunately I think we all value those kinds of guys very highly and they're identifiable to a greater degree now.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:21
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T-Bone posted:My D is definitely going to suck. I kind of wanted a d-man with that last pick but there wasn't really anyone I rated at Couturier's level. I like the Spurgeon/Greene picks - two New NHL puck moving dudes who would do a great job hitting Johansen/Duchene in stride. Unfortunately I think we all value those kinds of guys very highly and they're identifiable to a greater degree now. Yeah your team would be a lot better with a bona fide number one defenseman but it looks like you'll have to do defense by committee. But your makeup seems like it will be similar to the Islanders -- absurd forwards group, uneasy young defense.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:32
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Couturier is a good pick, I'd be comfortable with him as a second line center
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Jul 31, 2014 15:33
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I also loved the Greene-Spurgeon pick. Spurgeon especially falls under the radar but with him, Brodin, and Suter, that makes a fine as beck defensive core in Minnesota.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:33
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Cooter is a better pick than Zibanejad from way earlier. I'm not sold on the Spurgeon / Greene combo. I think you could have done better picking 2 D there.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:37
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Jordan7hm posted:Cooter is a better pick than Zibanejad from way earlier. Eh, I'm not convinced (at least from a fancy stats angle). Z put up way better stats on a substantially worse team. I think guys like Couturier are still available, granted they're nearer to 30 than 21 but still. It's easier to find defensively responsible guys than folks than can bury the puck.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:49
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Eh, I'm not convinced (at least from a fancy stats angle). Z put up way better stats on a substantially worse team. I think guys like Couturier are still available, granted they're nearer to 30 than 21 but still. It's easier to find defensively responsible guys than folks than can bury the puck. Couturier is a 21 year old playing as a shutdown player and he still put up just shy of 40 points. If he was 30, that'd be one thing, but he's not. The fact he played in the NHL as an 18 year old is significant.
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Jul 31, 2014 15:55
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So, the next few picks are as follows: Stickarts johnfw50 VJeff Habibi Pat Clements
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Jul 31, 2014 16:20
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Jordan7hm posted:Couturier is a 21 year old playing as a shutdown player and he still put up just shy of 40 points. If he was 30, that'd be one thing, but he's not. The fact he played in the NHL as an 18 year old is significant. Which is admittedly not unlike Jordan Staal, and as a Pens fan I recognize the value in that type of player. That said, I think these types of players are far more complimentary than they are backbones to developing a team. (I definitely took Z way too early)
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Jul 31, 2014 16:22
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Jared Spurgeon had almost identical usage to Ryan Suter last year and scored more and had better possession numbers. He is highly underrated. http://www.hockeywilderness.com/wild-about-numbers/2014/4/29/5662208/wild-about-numbers-wild-players-the-norris-trophy Andy Greene's usage is borderline masochistic and he still dominates possession wise. He is excellent. Age could be an issue because he relies so much on his skating but he's a really smart dude to boot. http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2014/7/7/5874853/what-kind-of-contract-extension-should-we-expect-for-andy-greene Good Soldier Svejk posted:Which is admittedly not unlike Jordan Staal, and as a Pens fan I recognize the value in that type of player. That said, I think these types of players are far more complimentary than they are backbones to developing a team. (I definitely took Z way too early) Cooter is my 6th best forward. I think he'll do fine. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 16:25
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T-Bone posted:Jared Spurgeon had almost identical usage to Ryan Suter last year and scored more and had better possession numbers. He is highly underrated. Saying Spurgeon scored more than Ryan Suter is seriously misusing the phrase "scored more".
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Jul 31, 2014 16:35
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Oop my turn? Sorry folks. Anyway, I may be able to let the snake come back to me another time or two but I don't want to risk it. Scott Hartnell will join the Blues. I love the way he plays and am willing to put up with dumb penalties to get the physicality he offers. He is apparently a possession monster and he generally always tries hard, even if he is a little streaky in terms of the scoresheet. I have him locked up in terms of draining out the useful years of his career, and while his cap hit isn't great he comes off the books just in time for my stable of youngsters to a start needing UFA contracts. And I'm not exactly hurting for space. So far I have only had 2 players picked from the lists I create. Of course they were ppg players, but I was expecting to get raided a whole lot more. Now expect to have the next 10 consecutive picks come down off my list.
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Jul 31, 2014 16:54
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He scored at slightly higher rate than Suter ES per 60 (.86 vs. .80) and was slightly worse on the PP (2.99 vs. 3.07) He had a higher ES scoring rate last year than Yandle/Campbell/Shattenkirk/Voynov/Fowler (among others) while playing difficult minutes. Obviously he's hasn't proven that he can handle the sheer amount of minutes that Suter plays (although he was still in 45th in TOI among d-men last year, AKA top pairing levels) but the quality of his minutes were high (higher than Suter's) and paired with Greene or anchoring the 2nd pair he would excel. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 16:55
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Phone posting to take Matt Moulson, LW.
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Jul 31, 2014 16:58
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:Yeah your team would be a lot better with a bona fide number one defenseman but it looks like you'll have to do defense by committee. But your makeup seems like it will be similar to the Islanders -- absurd forwards group, uneasy young defense. And, just like the Islanders, no mention of a goalie. 
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Jul 31, 2014 19:50
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Gimme the hot sauce. LW - Tomas Tatar from the Detroit Red Wings.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:04
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Greene is a good pick and the contract is a huge bonus. It's a crime Barkov fell as far as he did. I really wanted to take him where I too Olli.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:21
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Next up: Habibi Pat Clements eXXon mentholmoose Twin Cinema
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Jul 31, 2014 20:24
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Twin Cinema posted:Next up: It's so close I can smell it.
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Jul 31, 2014 20:30
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god drat it Habibi get your rear end in here and pick, my trigger finger is itchy
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Jul 31, 2014 20:33
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Someone post the teams so far because I wanna make fun of you nerds
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Jul 31, 2014 20:39
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Paulocaust posted:Someone post the teams so far because I wanna make fun of you nerds https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a80PmyvcOnXidTbKzsd0mkxjVKIP1LoiHcXtMuUMKjU/edit#gid=671811590
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Jul 31, 2014 20:56
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Is there any way to disable those obnoxious colour-coded names, besides encouraging people not to do that?
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Jul 31, 2014 21:05
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Pat Clements posted:god drat it Habibi get your rear end in here and pick, my trigger finger is itchy Patience, patience. I just got home. Let me look over what's happened this morning and I'll make my pick within three hour.
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Jul 31, 2014 21:09
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eXXon posted:Is there any way to disable those obnoxious colour-coded names, besides encouraging people not to do that? I think they're pretty sharp.
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Paulocaust posted:Someone post the teams so far because I wanna make fun of you nerds Why yes, yes I am procrastinating. Tavares/JVR/Jones/Filppula/Bishop Crosby/Chara/M. Koivu/Hossa/Ladd Lundqvist/Palat/Stepan/Green/Zibanejad Stamkos/Yandle/Backes/Kronwall/Zuccarello Karlsson/Spezza/Shattenkirk/Nielson/Ehrhoff Malkin/Voracek/Giordano/Stralman/Hagelin Ovechkin/Zetterberg/Kesler/Campbell/Hamhuis Giroux/Datsyuk/Little/Perron/Trouba Toews/Bobrovsky/Byfuglien/Barrie/Eriksson Subban/Parise/Carter/Fowler/Marchand Seguin/Schneider/Josi/Steen/Gallagher Kopitar/Neal/J. Staal/Gologoski/Saad Hall/Krejci/Hamilton/Henrique/Maata Kane/Price/Sharp/Okposo/Wisniewski Doughty/E. Staal/Skinner/Nisknanen/Dubinsky Suter/Stastny/Hanzal/Pominville/Gormley MacKinnon/O'Reilly/Turris/Faulk/Enstrom Rask/Eberle/Vanek/Galchenyuk/Gaborik Getzlaf/Pavelski/Oshie/Hertl/Markov Weber/Nugent-Hopkins/Vlasic/Nash/Semin Backstrom/Ekman-Larsson/Simmonds/Carlson/Iginla Pietrangelo/McDonagh/Tarasenko/Kadri/Hornqvist Keith/Thornton/Voynov/Burns/Yakupov Kessel/Hedman/Lindholm/Wheeler/Drouin Bergeron/Pacioretty/Seabrook/Muzzin/Nichushkin Couture/Letang/St. Louis/Granlund/Brodin Marleau/Schwartz/Kunitz/Murray/B. Schenn Benn/Landeskog/E. Kane/Ryan/Barkov Perry/H. Sedin/Quick/Phaneuf/Gardiner Duchene/Johansen/Lucic/Nyquist/Spurgeon
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Jordan7hm posted:He didn't have nearly identical usage to Ryan Suter. He was used in similar situations but for significantly less time each game. Ryan Suter's value is in his ability to play 30 minutes a night and still produce pretty good results production-wise. Spurgeon has yet to play an 82 game season. He didn't play the assload of minutes Suter played but he still averaged 22:38 a night so it's not like he was sheltered. And he did quite well with those minutes. I'm comfortable with those two guys anchoring my top two pairs, or even being a pair themselves. I'm rather curious who you'd consider better options. Look through the d left. The ones that can score have big question marks, and the ones that don't aren't any better possession wise than either of the guys I just took.
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Ginette Reno posted:[who would you take] I think the value of individual possession numbers is overblown so take my comments with a grain of salt if you really believe they're good at demonstrating value. Not going to say who I think would be a better pick at this stage, but I will actually couch what I said by saying I didn't realize he was a right handed shot. That makes a difference in how I would value him. Ginette Reno posted:He didn't play the assload of minutes Suter played but he still averaged 22:38 a night so it's not like he was sheltered. And he did quite well with those minutes. Spurgeon played 5 fewer minutes of ES hockey than Suter per game, close to 700 over the course of the season. That is a very significant difference. e: the Suter v Spurgeon thing and not liking the Green / Spurgeon combo are different things and I don't mean to confuse them. Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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We're not even really debating Suter vs. Spurgeon (although Spurgeon compares quite well last year on a minute vs minute basis) - Suter was picked in the first round after all. The real question is about the choice of Spurgeon at this stage which is a fine one imo - you can quibble about it but it's a pretty reasonable pick.
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not that spurgeon is a bad pick (i had him on my list of players to pick) but claiming he's basically like ryan suter based on possession and per 60 stats ignores an awful lot of important context and some pretty basic facts. like the 4 inch height difference for one
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Jul 31, 2014 21:37
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T-Bone posted:We're not even really debating Suter vs. Spurgeon (although Spurgeon compares quite well last year on a minute vs minute basis) - Suter was picked in the first round after all. The real question is about the choice of Spurgeon at this stage which is a fine one imo - you can quibble about it but it's a pretty reasonable pick. As a response to me posting I didn't like the picks you posted an article where the guy argues Spurgeon has a better case for the Norris than Suter.
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Jordan7hm posted:As a response to me posting I didn't like the picks you posted an article where the guy argues Spurgeon has a better case for the Norris than Suter. It's a bar for how good Spurgeon is (or was last year) - that is: very good and worthy of a late 5th/early 6th round pick. the talent deficit posted:not that spurgeon is a bad pick (i had him on my list of players to pick) but claiming he's basically like ryan suter based on possession and per 60 stats ignores an awful lot of important context and some pretty basic facts. like the 4 inch height difference for one Erik Karlsson is 5'11. Who cares. If they can play they can play are we really not past this? Sure if all things are equal you go with size, and it's no doubt a bonus, but all things aren't equal - I don't see many d-men on the board who compare favorably to what Spurgeon did last year. Teams discounted players like Brian Rafalski for years because of this and it bit them in the rear end. Jordan's games played critique is a reasonable one - health could potentially be an issue but these weren't serious injuries and he's only 24. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Habibi posted:Patience, patience. I just got home. Let me look over what's happened this morning and I'll make my pick within three hour. John Scott is available
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Gimme Tomas-weird sign thingies Plekanec. Effort post in just a bit. Pat Clements and his itchy trigger finger are up.
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The order on the way back down is: 23.New York Islanders -- Pat Clements 22.Carolina Hurricanes -- eXXon 21.Philadelphia Flyers -- mentholmoose 20.Dallas Stars -- Twin Cinema
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