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Thanks guys for making me feel like poo poo for deciding to use y last name as my nickname. A name for a single family tree. ...and I kind of want to get in to politics.
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Femur posted:Because our government is weak by design; due to fracturing, there is no real power. This a false dichotomy of course because a legitimate government by definition has complete control, and absolute power. We have exerted this absolute power at times of need. At first I misread your mispelling as a reference to Sinuhe. And then I got to the part about term limits: Have you ever worked in state politics in a state with term limits, and a state without? If anything, term limits are one of the most centralizing and concentrating means of enforcing partisanship.
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Anecdote: Jared Polis apparently posted on the official forum for League of Legends or Dota 2 or something and says he frequently plays the game. I haven't heard of any attacks-by-association with spergy gamers though so it doesn't seem using the internet is automatically career-ending. Rap Record Hoarder posted:On a city/county/state level, I'd be surprised if there aren't already some office holders with gauges, neck tattoos, or facial piercings. On the national stage...I'd say maybe a decade at most. Seems like most of the uproar about that kind of stuff is quickly fading, in cities or major metro areas at least. A Representative from Seattle or Portland or Austin? Seems conceivable now. Executive branch material? Not so much. My Imaginary GF posted:At first I misread your mispelling as a reference to Sinuhe. And then I got to the part about term limits: Have you ever worked in state politics in a state with term limits, and a state without? If anything, term limits are one of the most centralizing and concentrating means of enforcing partisanship. Not just partisanship, but a complete inability by officeholders to build authority on the law, letting lobbyists gain authority and influence much more easily.
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Considering Rand Paul still has a career after the Aqua Buddha thing, I think we're in the clear. Well, unless you got permabanned for threatening the President. That's probably a little more suspicious.
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I heard making death threats on Barack Obama is actually considered a positive in some circles, but then again you'd have to search pretty far and wide to find people with that kind of strong and irrational hatred of Obama in this country
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My Imaginary GF posted:At first I misread your mispelling as a reference to Sinuhe. And then I got to the part about term limits: Have you ever worked in state politics in a state with term limits, and a state without? If anything, term limits are one of the most centralizing and concentrating means of enforcing partisanship. I've heard that, and really, I just want to make the position one that is attainable for more. giving an idealist a chance within their lifetime. Wouldn't it be great if former politicians commonly walk amongst us and tell us their experience? I believe it a numbers game, increase the possibility of connection, and accountability. I am not that well read, so that was just my opinion. The Estate tax I believe to be fact. Taxes has to be collected, they should get all personal info. As long as it is funded heavily, and tied to metric with a little lag, and transparency, I see no problems? Man cannot beat the immortality of numbers, and it's bullshit we gotta carry around their memory. Femur fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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She won by like five points, though...
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Femur posted:I've heard that, and really, I just want to make the position one that is attainable for more. giving an idealist a chance within their lifetime. Wouldn't it be great if former politicians commonly walk amongst us and tell us their experience? I believe it a numbers game, increase the possibility of connection, and accountability. So what you do is this: Since corporations are not people, and only people can die, you put all your money in a Family Trust. You may pay some accounting fees, and when you structure it right, you'll just use the trust's credit card for anything and wire money directly from it to various campaigns [with the added benefit of attribution to any member of the trust, no matter its actual governing structure]. In effect, you've just limited the ability of wealth to be passed down intergenerationally between the middle class. Former politicians do walk among us. That's why we have elections, to hold the real shitheads accountable and feel like we have buy-in. What works better is to broaden the base of individuals with buy-in, so long as the positions meet the following requirements to avoid the collosal motherfuck of a corrupt system that is Chinese politics: 1. Elected positions should pay an above-average salary, with generously defined benefits and lifetime pensions 2. No matter what, always pay the civil servants. Always, always, pay them on-time, on-schedule, direct-deposit, and never, ever, with red envelopes.
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My Imaginary GF posted:So what you do is this: Since corporations are not people, and only people can die, you put all your money in a Family Trust. You may pay some accounting fees, and when you structure it right, you'll just use the trust's credit card for anything and wire money directly from it to various campaigns [with the added benefit of attribution to any member of the trust, no matter its actual governing structure]. In effect, you've just limited the ability of wealth to be passed down intergenerationally between the middle class. Whatever the current situation is, giving the IRS power will change the dynamic. They are like beggars now, no respect really. Tax law is not a firm thing, Things can be argued if resources were put forth. Your situation , how are shares and ownership transferred? The records are there, you NSA level review this case. There has to be an exchange somewhere. I don't care about cost of living x100 per child or whatever. Be generous on the exception, I don't care. The IRS is being humiliated right now for doing her job. And I believe we are saying the same thing in increasing the base. A change like yours probably requires a bigger revolution than what I feel is attainable immediately. Increase everyone's pay! Femur fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Hedera Helix posted:She won by like five points, though... Horde Bias confirmed
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Femur posted:Whatever the current situation is, giving the IRS power will change the dynamic. They are like beggars now, on respect really. Tax law is not a firm thing, Things can be argued if resources were put forth. If I may ask, where you from? Its a family trust, its duly registered with the IRS and all the necessary reports are automatically filed. There's only tax when it pays out; however, its possible to issue premium shares with options, have an auditor's valuation peg them as worth 1 cent each, and deposit those in your IRA. All completely tax-exempt. And when the options expire, the trust buys back the shares at -preset amount, depending how much your trust has in it; could be $1 a share, could be $100, or $50,000 if you have the assets. Now, this system works for a reason: anyone who goes through this process will have to hire an accountant and attorney versed in these matters. The trusts' funds are invested and return a generous rate of capital, which is in almost all forms tax-exempt. Why? Because the trust reinvests the funds in the economy; without this system, the dollar would be losing market share as the world's currency. There is, of course, a natural-occuring taxation system that is almost 100% determined on an honest future-risk perception market basis: inflation. I am quite against revolutions, thankyouverymuch, unless they are in my national interest, then I am quite for those revolutions and feel more foreign aid should flow freely. I am for expanding certain, impactful elements of bureaucratic structures, when there is an evidence base behind the economic benefits via multiplier effects of those structures. Hell, anyone who wants part of the systen can form their own self-governing body. That's why towns can go from unincorporated to incorporated, and if the towns offer better services then elsewhere, will attract more citizens. Edit: also, when referring to alphabet-agencies, you use the letters. For instance, instead of writing, 'The IRS does a great job,' the stylistically correct way would be "IRS does a grest job." There are no genders assigned to acronyms. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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I simply mean revolution in thinking. Everyone universally feared and hate the taxman. Through I imagine the world economy will have collapsed before my future, so that will not matter. The records are all there, and you just can just take it after death. Femur fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Femur posted:I simply mean revolution in thinking. Take what after death? The trust never dies; its a self-governing body which elects its own board of governance, and all of this in public records if you know where to look. If you're saying, 'appropriate the assets after death,' that is creating a systemic incentive to destroy self-governing bodies, or even people, for their assets. Eventually that incentive cauzed a Rubicon moment and the whole house comes crashing down. A 'revolution in thinking' cannot ever be a top-down process. To do so would control everything, while managing nothing. Awareness is worth nothing without well-managed organization. E: And no need to be too jaded, the world economy will certainly look different 'in your time,' and difference should be embraced, nurtured, and have its strengths incorporated into stakeholders of an adaptive, self-governing system. E2: final edit before bed, Shear Modulus posted:Not just partisanship, but a complete inability by officeholders to build authority on the law, letting lobbyists gain authority and influence much more easily. I do agree with your sentiment. What you call "an inability by officeholders to build authority on the law," I call partisanship. I like lobbyists. Every official meeting they hold is a matter of public record, with their employer/purpose declared, which makes it so much easier to research who wants what from whom, why, how they're going to get it, when, and how much it cost them. If you then call up a friend of that individual with this information, you'll know the exact range in which to expect a contribution with 95% confidence interval. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Shear Modulus posted:Anecdote: Jared Polis apparently posted on the official forum for League of Legends or Dota 2 or something and says he frequently plays the game. I haven't heard of any attacks-by-association with spergy gamers though so it doesn't seem using the internet is automatically career-ending. True!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgi96F6VwaM He's a cool dude it seems to have put time aside to speak as a guest for Extra Credits about how to get your voice heard in politics. Edit: quote:I can confirm that a couple who run in the same circles I run in are goons and I have sneaking suspicions about a few others. You'd never be able to tell based on the things they do IRL, both of the 2 people who are also goons and know I post on here wouldn't believe it because my post history makes me come off as a rabid black nationalist or something—which is hilariously hard to believe if you knew me IRL. Don't we have a secret handshake or shibboleth we use to identify each other in public? Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Don't we have a secret handshake or shibboleth we use to identify each other in public? Bumperstickers on our jalopie field cars.
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Raenir Salazar posted:True!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgi96F6VwaM No. Jesus, no.
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My house has stairs in it. I brought protection.
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Aurubin posted:My house has stairs in it. I brought protection. Bonus if said at an NRA, AARP, or IAFF event.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Take what after death? The trust never dies; its a self-governing body which elects its own board of governance, and all of this in public records if you know where to look. The estate tax is appropriation isn't it? The government doesn't need control, but must get back equal value in for the recognition of the new name on checks. All I wish is for getting the people's fair share. Perhaps sales taxes and other regressive taxes can be removed with the new income. I do not believe the past should weigh you down, and is a spiritual foundation only, and refreshes are fine. I don't know why one man would destroy another, the offspring will keep nothing in the end. I understand the current ways things are, it is great for us, but it's not great for everyone else. Any changes will will affect a tiny numbers. You want your current citizen to have a bigger stake in their future, with strong regulations from well paid civil, discuss it. In the past, this meant violence, but we are docile now and what we learn will always be recorded. We will still make things people want, so the dollar is what it is. Through I do concede your point, this will never happen, and the risk in instability is great. I do not desire a change of masters, only a higher fee for the rights. Femur fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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DoubleDonut posted:Considering Rand Paul still has a career after the Aqua Buddha thing, I think we're in the clear. Well, unless you got permabanned for threatening the President. That's probably a little more suspicious. In a few years, candidates who never got a visit from Secret Service won't have their full set of Tea Party bona fides.
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Brannock posted:I honestly wonder if Internet histories is going to mean that we loosen the gently caress up about our public candidates lives, or if it'll just mean we elect even boringer people since they were the ones who managed to not do anything remotely eyebrow-raising as an idiot kid or idiot teenager. And then total Mormon control over the US government will be complete.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:And then total
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GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:From a few days and like 15 pages ago, but was catching up on the thread and browsing through the pics real quick when something caught my eye and I scrolled back up. Haha, my friend owns that same gun. It says "Molon labe" across the slide in Greek, of course. Sig Sauer stole your design, man!
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Republicans would have voted for her if she was a human or ne female.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Republicans would have voted for her if she was a human or ne female. You mean the darkies who live in trees and
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DoubleDonut posted:Considering Rand Paul still has a career after the Aqua Buddha thing, I think we're in the clear. Well, unless you got permabanned for threatening the President. That's probably a little more suspicious. People are saving Aqua Buddha october surprise for if he actually has a chance in the presidential election. That or people just really don't care what you've done as a kid unless it's something atrocious.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:Republicans would have voted for her if she was a human or ne female. Only if she was a dancer at the Lion's Pride Inn.
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I'd not heard of the whole Aqua Buddha thing until now and that's just so loving weird.
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Generic American posted:Truly, they are the only group in America that is *completely* immune to online stupidity. Most of the Amish guys I know have nicer smartphones than I do and are loving obsessed with YouTube.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I'd not heard of the whole <thing Paul did> until now and that's just so loving weird. This seems to be The Rand Paul Experience in a nutshell.
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Would Aqua Buddha really derail a presidential campaign more than the "Romney bullies a long hair" story did (which didn't at all)?
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Brannock posted:I honestly wonder if Internet histories is going to mean that we loosen the gently caress up about our public candidates lives, or if it'll just mean we elect even boringer people since they were the ones who managed to not do anything remotely eyebrow-raising as an idiot kid or idiot teenager. Personally, I'm just going to start scoring candidates based on how many interns they've had sex with and how many times their internet post history contains the words "gently caress" and "assbitch." Bonus points if they've ever made a dickbutt image.
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Shear Modulus posted:Would Aqua Buddha really derail a presidential campaign more than the "Romney bullies a long hair" story did (which didn't at all)? It's kidnapping, kidnapping a woman and idolatry all rolled into one. A competent demagogue would have a field day with this poo poo, but otoh Democrats. e: also the Paul is a Catholic and professed love of Randian philosophy. Aqua Buddha can get a lot worse for him because of all the other little flaws he has in his election persona.
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Shear Modulus posted:Would Aqua Buddha really derail a presidential campaign more than the "Romney bullies a long hair" story did (which didn't at all)? The latter matches up pretty well with the base demographics while the former is heretical.
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I'm pretty sure most of the crazies you could get whipped up about idolatry are diehard Paulites anyway.
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http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.phpquote:The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. Couple days old but I didn't see anything about it while I was catching up on the thread. No wrongdoing found in the latest Benghazi investigation, what a shocker. I wonder if there's any chance this will get the Right (outside of Darrell Issa) to shut up about Benghazi.
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made of bees posted:I'm pretty sure most of the crazies you could get whipped up about idolatry are diehard Paulites anyway. They're also the ones branding people RINOs at the drop of a hat. Sure, they'll hold their nose and vote R anyway, but the shrieking white-hot sphere of pure rage will still be fueled.
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Magres posted:I wonder if there's any chance this will get the Right (outside of Darrell Issa) to shut up about Benghazi. Magres posted:Couple days old but I didn't see anything about it while I was catching up on the thread. I think you've answered your own question. You don't really think the news hasn't been played up because the Republicans have decided that they lost on that issue, do you? It's only quiet because a) it was a null result which isn't sexy news, b) Republicans have found even better things to attack the president on, like his responsibility for "causing" illegal immigration, and c) Hillary isn't in the news lately. I fully expect Benghazi to rear it's head full-force, regardless of the findings, come late next year and into 2016. EDIT: Even better, the fact that this actually didn't make the news will only encourage the rank and file to dismiss it when liberals try to bring up the findings in response to mindless recitation of Hillary's "sins". "What do you mean the House found no wrongdoing? If I didn't hear about it when it happened, it can't be true! It must be a lie spread by known liberal booster Politifact! Down with Hillary!" ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Magres posted:http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.php Is "Khadafy" how the US government spelled his name? Also to answer your question, no chance whatsoever that this stops anything. The Benghazi Committee show hasn't been cancelled or anything.
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