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Tezcatlipoca posted:It's telling that a rapist has better public reception than Jon Jones. Matt Hughes is the director of fighter relations, after all.
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Aug 7, 2014 16:42
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david carmichael posted:yeah. the public backlash against tyson was greater than that of most people, but that's because he was more popular and more polarizing. and the backlash further fueled his popularity. jon jones isn't really polarizing, people just don't like him much.
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Aug 7, 2014 16:48
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TheRationalRedditor posted:The best recent example of sporting disgrace is lance armstrong. He had next to zero supporters or allies throughout the PED inquest saga not simply because he cheated in his sport for so long, but because he was a publicly arrogant condescending piece of poo poo to his peers and fans, and had no problem making it known at every opportunity. Even cancer sympathy can only extend so far, in the case of an egomaniacal turd. This is basically Jon Jones with PEDs added.
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Aug 7, 2014 16:57
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Sucks about Noke, that was probably Akiyama's one winnable fight.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:04
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Joe Silva's regretting giving Akiyama an opponent on his level and is sending a zeppelin for RObbie Lawler
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Aug 7, 2014 17:08
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Could the decline in finishes over the years be representative of an overall increase in fighter skill level/a decrease in "all out war" retardation in training camps? Genuine question, I haven't seen any FOX Sports 1 fights so I have no idea how bad the prelim fighters are these days.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:21
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Could the decline in finishes over the years be representative of an overall increase in fighter skill level/a decrease in "all out war" retardation in training camps? In my opinion yes
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Aug 7, 2014 17:37
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Bell the Cat posted:I want this too. He's already in one. Poirier is only slightly more beatable than TKZ, their fight with eachother wasn't one sided or anything...although I guess it did show that he's hittable with uppercuts and lord knows Conor loves him some uppercuts.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:39
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Intel&Sebastian posted:He's already in one. Poirier is only slightly more beatable than TKZ, their fight with eachother wasn't one sided or anything...although I guess it did show that he's hittable with uppercuts and lord knows Conor loves him some uppercuts. I hope Poirier jiu-jitsus all over Conor
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Aug 7, 2014 17:41
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Could the decline in finishes over the years be representative of an overall increase in fighter skill level/a decrease in "all out war" retardation in training camps? Yeah I'm pretty sure this is what people are supposed to be taking away from those stats instead of the 'lol fighters are getting worse' thing.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:42
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The skill level is still increasing pretty rapidly. So while the talent pool is getting more diluted i.e. there are many more fighters in the ufc who are "bad" relative to the current great fighters than there was say 7 years ago, the bad fighters now are, in absolute terms, so much better than the bad fighters then.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:51
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there is more information available about fighters for joe and sean to look at, so you end up with a smaller % of complete mismatches
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Aug 7, 2014 17:52
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david carmichael posted:there is more information available about fighters for joe and sean to look at, so you end up with a smaller % of complete mismatches Except Charlie Brenneman vs Anyone Else
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Aug 7, 2014 17:53
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If Poirier comes to grapple he's going to be a nightmare for McGregor, whose Irish wrestling over Holloway with a hurt ACL says more about Holloway than it does McGregor IMO. As was said, Poirier showcased some slick jits in the TKZ fight, which was cool as hell. That said, Poirier has a tendency to want to strike more than he should if he feels he has something to prove, which is still fine against the Brookins-level people he fights but I recall had him wobbled against Brandao, so if that happens then McGregor still has a shot at winning, especially early. Poirier is a huge step up for McGregor but stylistically in terms of how some of his fights have gone, it's still McGregor's most winnable in the top of the division. e: david carmichael posted:there is more information available about fighters for joe and sean to look at, so you end up with a smaller % of complete mismatches Like Mendes vs. McKenzie for example
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Aug 7, 2014 17:55
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Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:Could the decline in finishes over the years be representative of an overall increase in fighter skill level/a decrease in "all out war" retardation in training camps? I think its more an equalization of fighter skill levels and more fighters looking at the long game of their career.
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Aug 7, 2014 17:55
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I know I'm always the one to defend mcgregor, but will someone please explain to me why it's just a known thing that he has a wrestling weakness with no evidence to back this up? Please don't use "is irish" or "got tapped years ago at the beginning of his career".
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Aug 7, 2014 18:03
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Dangersim posted:I know I'm always the one to defend mcgregor, but will someone please explain to me why it's just a known thing that he has a wrestling weakness with no evidence to back this up? goon hate popular cool man
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Aug 7, 2014 18:05
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david carmichael posted:there is more information available about fighters for joe and sean to look at, so you end up with a smaller % of complete mismatches That was an option I hadn't considered. Definitely a good thing for the sport overall! LobsterMobster posted:I hope Poirier jiu-jitsus all over Conor Screw that. I had no idea who Connor even was until the Ireland card on Fight Pass, now I'm happily riding the hype train all the way to McGregor getting his legs soccer kicked into a fine paste by Aldo in 2015!
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Aug 7, 2014 18:05
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LobsterMobster posted:I hope Poirier jiu-jitsus all over Conor he'll have to once he gets dropped 
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Aug 7, 2014 18:06
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i haven't watched any mcgregor fights since he knocked out the dbz guy after showing up to the pre fight press conference dressed like mr. gumby
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Aug 7, 2014 18:06
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Akiyama is now fighting Amir Sadollah 
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Aug 7, 2014 18:18
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Dangersim posted:
I actually agree with Dangersim here, but not because I think WMMA is bad. Ladies' Strawweight owns, they had a bunch of great fights in Invicta, and most of those women are now coming to the UFC. There has also already been at least one fun strawweight fight in the UFC, Jędrzejczyk-Lima (I didn't catch the other one so I don't know how good it was). It wasn't as good as it could have been because Lima blew her weight cut and then gassed horribly, but it was still a cool fight. It's going to be a competitive division with cool fights. I won't draw, though, because they're small. Call it the Mighty Mouse principle; people would rather see bad heavyweights than awesome flyweights.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:23
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EvanSchenck posted:She will not. I actually agree with Dangersim here, but not because I think WMMA is bad. Ladies' Strawweight owns, they had a bunch of great fights in Invicta, and most of those women are now coming to the UFC. There has also already been at least one fun strawweight fight in the UFC, Jędrzejczyk-Lima (I didn't catch the other one so I don't know how good it was). It wasn't as good as it could have been because Lima blew her weight cut and then gassed horribly, but it was still a cool fight. It's going to be a competitive division with cool fights. I won't draw, though, because they're small. Call it the Mighty Mouse principle; people would rather see bad heavyweights than awesome flyweights. [/quote] but ronda is a draw and shes 135 maybe its because she is good and most wmma fighters are not good
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Aug 7, 2014 18:25
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Akiyama is now fighting Amir Sadollah The interesting thing about this is that it implies Joe Silva thinks that Amir Sadollah is going to beat the hell out of Akiyama.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:26
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All i want is for them to draw more than mighty mouse, is that too much to ask?
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Aug 7, 2014 18:26
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Dangersim posted:I know I'm always the one to defend mcgregor, but will someone please explain to me why it's just a known thing that he has a wrestling weakness with no evidence to back this up? "Is Irish" is a legitimate reason to question his wrestling ability. I'm not saying he's an awful wrestler, but from a cursory glance/google search of the coaches at his gym it doesn't seem that wrestling is their strength. I mean their main wrestling coach is a Moldovan with 7 years experience. Khabib probably had 7 years experience wrestling before his 10th birthday. I'm sure training with Gunnar is helping a fair bit, but there's no reason to think his wrestling is anything other than mediocre to average at the moment.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:27
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How about he wrestle hosed someone to a 10-8. Also Moldovan's are eastern european, if we're going to make broad generalizations about country of origin.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:30
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EvanSchenck posted:She will not. I actually agree with Dangersim here, but not because I think WMMA is bad. Ladies' Strawweight owns, they had a bunch of great fights in Invicta, and most of those women are now coming to the UFC. There has also already been at least one fun strawweight fight in the UFC, Jędrzejczyk-Lima (I didn't catch the other one so I don't know how good it was). It wasn't as good as it could have been because Lima blew her weight cut and then gassed horribly, but it was still a cool fight. It's going to be a competitive division with cool fights. I won't draw, though, because they're small. Call it the Mighty Mouse principle; people would rather see bad heavyweights than awesome flyweights. [/quote] If Jojo becomes champ and Muay Thai's ladies to death, I think she'll get some attention
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Aug 7, 2014 18:30
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felice herrig is the only one capable of being a draw imo
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Aug 7, 2014 18:33
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It doesn't matter how good women's straw-weight is, it won't draw because basically nothing draws beyond a baseline level anymore except for a few popular fighters and WMMA isn't even going to meet that baseline because they're women and they're small. Lawler/Hendricks only did 300k buys despite being the best fight between the coolest dudes who had been knocking everyone out left and right. If that can't get people interested tiny women that no one has ever heard of have no chance, unless one of them also turns out to be a hot, crazy, armbar savant.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:34
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Dangersim posted:How about he wrestle hosed someone to a 10-8. Yes, THE Max Holloway
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Aug 7, 2014 18:35
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Dangersim posted:How about he wrestle hosed someone to a 10-8. Also Moldovan's are eastern european, if we're going to make broad generalizations about country of origin. Woah, he wrestled Max Holloway to a 10-8 on one scorecard and that proves that his wrestling is anything above average how exactly? Also, Moldova is the rare exception to the Eastern European rule in that they are garbage at wrestling.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:36
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it's not impressive that he wrestled max holloway but that he did it with a torn ACL. but I don't even really know what an acl is
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Aug 7, 2014 18:36
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Yuriy posted:but ronda is a draw and shes 135 Ronda is a draw because she's a good poo poo talker who is obscenely talented at hurting people. Just one of those things is not enough. The only woman in MMA who has a loving personality besides Ronda is Miesha, and her personality is mostly "has big boobs and hates Ronda". Everyone else is too friendly, giggly, and generally unserious to be a draw. Dangersim posted:I know I'm always the one to defend mcgregor, but will someone please explain to me why it's just a known thing that he has a wrestling weakness with no evidence to back this up? Nobody is a good wrestler without elite training/experience. What's Conor's? K8.0 fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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Aug 7, 2014 18:37
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Yuriy posted:wmma fighters are not good Thanks for posting your thoughts about the women's strawweight division, guy who has never watched a women's strawweight fight. LobsterMobster posted:If Jojo becomes champ and Muay Thai's ladies to death, I think she'll get some attention Actually I didn't think of that, but yeah, Calderwood would be an ideal champion for the division.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:37
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Triticum Guzzler posted:Akiyama is now fighting Amir Sadollah 
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Aug 7, 2014 18:40
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Yeah it's just max holloway but he wrestled him into paste with a blown knee. I hope McGregor beats the poo poo out of porier and continues to talk poo poo after because it's awesome and it upsets people.
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Aug 7, 2014 18:42
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Yuriy posted:felice herrig is the only one capable of being a draw imo fighters that can't get past the prelims don't draw, hth
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EvanSchenck posted:There has also already been at least one fun strawweight fight in the UFC, Jędrzejczyk-Lima (I didn't catch the other one so I don't know how good it was). It wasn't bad, the Finnish lady was tough but was clearly overmatched against Gadelha. Both of them have been on Fight Pass so the division hasn't had any exposure so far really (plus most of the top fighters are tied up in TUF).
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