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Lutha Mahtin posted:I'd just like to say that I find disgusting your deceptive plan to dangle a few dollars in front of amateurs to get a game engine that you can proprietize. You claim you're just doing this for your own educational benefit, but if this was the case it doesn't make sense that you insist on the source code being released under a non-reciprocal license. Someone who only wants to learn wouldn't care if the code was licensed under a reciprocal license like the GPL, or even a very restrictive license that wouldn't pass muster with the FSF or OSI: the only practical reason I can think of for insisting on something like BSD or MIT is that you want to use it for a proprietary project. Your mind-reading is rusty. I have no interest in "proprietizing" anything. This would be the stupidest way to go about it. For a fifth of one of the prizes, I can get Unreal source. I do want people to be able to use the code, though, and BSD/MIT are my preferred licenses because they combine well with each other, GPL, MPL, Apache. Edit: also, I included Apache as one of the licenses. I co-founded Mozilla, helped develop the MPL, have spent most of my relatively long career working on open source, and currently work on ways to release more of Facebook's technology as open source. Painting me as some sort of exploitative counter-revolutionary because I wanted to give out some prizes to recognize a practice I value is absurd, only more so. You would have a hard time picking a worse target for your rant. Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Subjunctive posted:You would have a hard time picking a worse target for your rant.  Polo-Rican this stream entertaining, I like that we can actually see you guys.
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Day 1 of judging is done for me. I did half the games. I won't post scores but I will post the comments I left since I have no idea how they'll be compiled later. If you don't see your game on the list, I'll review it tomorrow and post again. Also, you other judges need to get on the ball. -------------- 2:22 AM What the gently caress did I just play? Most categories was an obvious solid 10. I decided the fun was derived from the experience but wish there was more interaction in each scene instead of just... you know... experiencing it. Story I took off because I had no idea what the gently caress was going on but that's the nature for these weird things. Theme I felt was adhered to well. This is definitely a show I could see myself watching at 2:22 AM on channel 12 but man was it off the wall so I had to take a off just for plausibility. #YesCallMen drat near perfect game. Visuals I recognized as default NGUI but they fit the "card" look so no big deal. Tons of fun to play. Polish was definitely there. A very interesting take on card games. YesCallMen is 100% public access. Story was a given. Excellent Job! 555-Skeleton Visuals and Audio are dinged because of Twine.  I definitely enjoyed the story as "opening a can of whoop rear end" is a perfectly fine text adventure option. Stuck to the theme great! Game was fun, but Twine is kinda meh unless you're really into text adventures.Anime Club Text Quest Played this right after the other twine game and the same stuff applies to audio and visuals. This was a tad bit more fun because of the anime questing to start a club. I was a little let down by the ending I got though (everything disbanded). The part that hurt the worst is that this game didn't do anything about the theme. It was just anime club. I also hate anime. Assault on PA13 http://puu.sh/aKATc/3434e0e324.png Fix your poo poo bro. Bob Ross's Puzzle Painter A match 3 game with Bob Ross slapped on top. Not very innovative and no story really. Game was OK fun and polished. Audio was best part honestly and the Bob Ross videos. Breakfast with Agatha As promised, an MS Paint egg. I played this one twice, once perfectly for the aliens and again downing my flask at every opportunity and making scrambled eggs. Too bad no audio, but visuals were a bit better than default Twine. Cool game. CulTV: Fhtagn with Mr. Cthulhu Visuals were consistent but audio felt like it was slapped on last second. Game was OK, could have used a ton of instructions and a restart button. I like the idea of different channels being used as minigames. This really felt like a solid attempt at a whole game. Dinosaur P.I. Visuals could use a good polish since nothing was animated, just bobbing around. Audio felt last second slapped on top. Game was OK, but didn't really fit the theme besides being inside a TV. I wish it was a little longer or more polished (or both!). 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I still cranked something out and so did you. Cheers! Jeremy's Dance Magic LMAO This game. I couldn't defeat Satan. You know what else I couldn't do? Find something wrong with this game. Kooking With Krugg For the life of me, I could not get a handle on those controls. Game looks super polished and well done but even after 2 tries at the instructions I couldn't grab the fish. gently caress YOU FISH. Game was awesome, good job! Let's Be Heroes It felt more like a radio show than a public access show. Gameplay would have been better if the voices narrated what I was doing instead. A walking around adventure game would be a good format for what you have put together already. Lovely Day for a Parade Sorry to hear your teammate bailed but that seems par for the course on SAGDC. Your game definitely fit the bill for a game but didn't have an end state! Other than that, E for effort. Monday Afternoon Quizzlers I thought this was a very solid game albeit a bit wordy. By the time I got to the action, I just realized it was a typing game where I could put whatever I want. Although weak in gameplay, the writing was very well done. Visuals were great as well. Good job! Night Vision TV I absolutely love the concept! Even playing solo, it took over a minute waiting before they would react. I highly recommend flipping this over to hitbox.tv to reduce the delay. Everything about this game was solid other than that.
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Quoting from the stream.quote:You just walk in with a machine gun and shoot up the place. Are these guys even bad? You didn't ask any questions? Wow. Just. Just wow.
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Polo-Rican posted:Okay the video should appear here: I'm beyond happy that you managed to play Turtle Derby without falling through the game world. Thanks for the feedback. As for the slopes, I modeled them almost entirely like Excitebike hills: 
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Yep, strangely, our internet totally died at the exact moment we finished game #20. Our cable modem had the Four Blinking Lights of Doom. We'll probably do a 20-40 stream tomorrow night, although it will just be Jackie and I, not all four of us.
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Subjunctive posted:Your mind-reading is rusty. I have no interest in "proprietizing" anything. This would be the stupidest way to go about it. For a fifth of one of the prizes, I can get Unreal source. I do want people to be able to use the code, though, and BSD/MIT are my preferred licenses because they combine well with each other, GPL, MPL, Apache. Edit: also, I included Apache as one of the licenses.  God drat son. Here lies Lutha Mahtin, never stood a chance 
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Aug 9, 2014 05:05
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Thanks for the criticism and hahaha I guess I unconsciously drew Dr. Zoiberg for Mr. Cthulu. Unfortunately we had some problems so yeah it was a pretty unfinished game, and the whole concept nearly had to be stripped. Especailly the running mini game, we had troubles implementing certain animations. I mean you were going to be a cult guy/girl carrying a camera dodging all the obstacles so you can get to your show within the time slot it starts. And if you ran into the lights, you just explode into a fireball. Shame I didn't get to see my explosions. . But thanks for the encouraging words, and hopefully maybe the 4th time we'll have a functional game. Well ok technically this will be my third time with the same programmer but hey we are doing better! Hell last year we couldn't get poo poo working at all and didn't even submit what would be called a game.
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Polo-Rican posted:The stream ended early because our internet died. What are the chances. Thanks to anyone who watched! Good show. It's a shame you couldn't play Public Access Wars. I'm in Britain so your stream was in the middle of the night for me otherwise I'd have created a game you could join. If you're able to try it out at some point before 2am BST (9pm EDT, earlier is better) I'll be able to get a few other people to play - e.g. if we could try it out first in the second round of games or something - otherwise, is it possible to arrange a game with other judges sometime so that it can get judged?
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Shindragon posted:Thanks for the criticism and hahaha I guess I unconsciously drew Dr. Zoiberg for Mr. Cthulu. Unfortunately we had some problems so yeah it was a pretty unfinished game, and the whole concept nearly had to be stripped. Especailly the running mini game, we had troubles implementing certain animations. I mean you were going to be a cult guy/girl carrying a camera dodging all the obstacles so you can get to your show within the time slot it starts. And if you ran into the lights, you just explode into a fireball. Yeah I feel like I really made a mess out of this month for a second time in a row. I don't think I have much room to complain about it being too tough considering what some other people had to go through this year. My hope is that we can still make good on the Mr Cthulu game in our spare time and implement all the crazy poo poo we had planned out initially, hopefully sometime before next year!
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The stream was a lot of fun and you clearly all look very sleepy by the end of it. I'm sure you all had terrifying dreams.RickVoid posted:Quoting from the stream. I seem to have made some kind of meta art game* that judges the judges (in this case as homicidal robo-cops). I accept my 0.0 "violence is bad" score with pride! Note to self that putting the controls on the pre-mission screen, instead of in the readme, would have been a good idea - that's two playthroughs I've seen without anyone shouting 'Freeze!'. Also I should have probably tried for a bit more theme adherence beyond the setup in the opening screens. * in lieu of actual environment art. Hidden Asbestos fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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TheOrange posted:Yeah I feel like I really made a mess out of this month for a second time in a row. I don't think I have much room to complain about it being too tough considering what some other people had to go through this year. My hope is that we can still make good on the Mr Cthulu game in our spare time and implement all the crazy poo poo we had planned out initially, hopefully sometime before next year! So far the trend is to get closer and closer to a finished product, year after year. I think we can do it next year, no problem.
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I have been streaming for a little while (Take Two Treehouse crashed once I beat it. Heartbreak ), and I probably will for a little longer. I'm not necessarily the most entertaining person, I'm mostly trying to get deep into games' mechanics: http://www.hitbox.tv/SharpenedSpoon Edit: Just finished. I will probably stream a bit more tomorrow! SharpenedSpoonv2 fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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I'm done judging! Here's my second set of reviews in alphabetical order. The quality of submissions this year blew last year out of the water in my opinion. I personally didn't really like the theme this year, but there was some great takes on public access TV. I'm glad people really took off with the idea! Congrats to all those who got a submission in (even the super bad ones). Here's my top 10 list in random order:  I had a 3 way tie for first and all 3 had perfect scores in my opinion. There was one 99 and the rest were 90 or above. ----- Probing Nature Very simple gameplay. I took off big for innovation because I assume you used the same "engine" as your other game you've been working on and that's not really in the spirit of game jams to essentially change assets on a previous game as an entry. Polish and visuals were obviously there, but I felt the theme was a little tacked on. Public Access News No audio. Game was a neat take on the theme but I wish it was a bit more clear which were going to be puns and such. Adhered to theme well and the writing was pretty funny. Public Access TV: Superstar Another game that looks like it used a previously built engine. Everything was pretty fun but I wish it wasn't so "guess and check". Some combinations I thought would work out did not, and picking randomly seemed like the way to go. Interesting concept though. Public Access Wars Wow, what a game! We had 4 people play and it was a ton of fun goofing around making a show. Adhered to theme perfectly and the stories everyone made were great. Tons of fun, everything was there, super high scores on this one! Public Assets Interesting concept but could have been fleshed out a bit more. Theme adherence was sorta there but not really. Web build needed to lock cursor. A ton of unity assets slapped together does not really make a game however it did help it look polished. E for effort. Public Axes I loved the neckbeard sprite. Platformer physics were pretty spot on. Theme adherence could use a bit more work but I liked where it was going. A pretty solid game overall. Couldn't get past the sand coming at me. Bonus points for screen shake. Sink Wow what a game! Everything was extremely polished and well done from audio and visuals to the gameplay and voice work. Great game and everyone should go give it a try. Spiritual Seth Great little game. Game play was a little too simple in my opinion but took way too much focus away from the text in the top left. The death animation and sound was just great. Very cool game. Spook Manor Game was a cool concept and interesting take on theme. Could REALLY use an end state now and maybe some different levels. It also needed some more sound effects besides a song overlayed on top. SWAT: Freedom of Breach I didn't really understand what was going on during the gameplay even though I got the premise of the game. I ran around and shot everything until I got bored. Is there an end to the game? Seemed like an interesting concept but needed to be fleshed out more. If only we had one more month! Take Two Treehouse I get a total "Home Movies" feel from this game. I like the concept and theme adherence. The sprites are um... inspired to say the least. Very tiny... yes... Mowing the lawn is just as annoying as it is in real life so props for capturing the essense of lawn work! Cool game. The Angry Atheist Gamer This was a thing. Also a game. I made it all the way to the end and the jerk didn't even want my atheist show, what a jerk. That's the last time i wait all day in a queue for coffee. There is no God. The Contract Goku sucks. Also every house is on fire in this town. Also there's a cult of leprecahns (sp?). Let me walk faster plz. I couldn't take it long enough to get the first camera. I do wish there was more to this game. The Game Knight I was stuck clicking around everything and couldn't go anywhere! I read the instructions again and now I can play the game OK. Full points for neckbeard sprite! That god awful midi should give you negative points but alas, all I have is a 0. Game seemed interesting if I didn't die all the time. Story was going somewhere but I couldn't get very far and got tired of walking. Someone should tl;dr this game for me. The Rage of Painting   Look at this work of art. Call the loving Louvre because I'm going places with this. gently caress game development and gently caress computers, I'm an artist forever. Thanks so much for turning me onto my true passion. I'm in tears. It's a very emotional time in my life right now. Thank you.Tubulargame Martin Lutha, I'm very proud of you for getting back into programming. I'm also sorry to hear your team bailed on you. I'm also sorry to say your game is not very good. But thanks for trying! Better luck next year! Turtle Derby Turtle Racing is real. I saw it on public access once. I think Internet Janitor cried because he couldn't handle how awesome it was. By the way I fell off the earth because turtles don't handle ramps that well. If only they were 8 bit motorbikes instead. Where's the map creator? Where's mode B? Good concept and good effort put in. If you had other turtles, that would have been awesome. TV Tycoon Hahahaha. Very clever idea. I love the cookie clicker meets public access website. Brings me back. Wish there was audio to go along with the gifs. Missed a huge opportunity for midi music. Very cool game. Wizard Broadcast Special Even though I judged solo, I had an opportunity to play it with people during JonTerp's stream. I really liked the world and the Wizard public access spin on it. Gameplay was weird until you got to pushing block puzzles. It was hard to figure out what was going on in the game but the visuals were certainly there. You Have to Do Everything Hahaha. I'm pretty sure this accurately describes most public access sets. Where have those albino squirrels been anyway? Visuals were a bit subpar but everything was solid. Very clever use of theme and I stayed for most of the dialogue. Great job! poemdexter fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Chernabog posted:Is there a recorded version? I missed the whole thing. Yep it's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txEmuNR5Us Can't believe how many games there are this year, 40 (I'm forgetting...did we have that many last year?)! Even though we didn't spend long on each, I can't believe it took us over 3 hours to get through half of them. Good stuff goons! Can't wait to get through the rest of them with Polo-rican later.
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Apple Jax posted:Yep it's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txEmuNR5Us I split judging half last night and half this morning. Still took a solid 8 hours total to get through all 40 games.
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Apple Jax posted:Can't believe how many games there are this year, 40 (I'm forgetting...did we have that many last year?)! Ultigonio fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 9, 2014 |
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Subjunctive posted:Howard Krell: can you stick a license on your files and put them somewhere that they can be downloaded? Okay, I put the source on my wiki page. Also, I've made a "special episode" of Monday Afternoon Quizzlers. It's called the Something Awful Super Special and has all sorts of Something Awful related content that I'm sure someone will enjoy. Here's the Hi-Def version: http://harold-krell.itch.io/monday-afternoon-quizzlers-sass And here's the Lo-Def version: http://harold-krell.itch.io/monday-afternoon-quizzlers-sass-800x450
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poemdexter posted:
There is actually midi music that accompanies each program, but it's off by default because I'm not a monster. The button to toggle it is at the top of the page.
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Harold Krell posted:Okay, I put the source on my wiki page. Thank you for your contribution to my scheme for building a ruthless game code empire atop game jam entries.
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Subjunctive posted:Thank you for your contribution to my scheme for building a ruthless game code empire atop game jam entries. That misplaced reaction will never not be funny.
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poemdexter posted:The Game Knight A goth kid with a public access TV show wrote fake rituals with his friends and they made a TV show out of it. One of them turned out to actually work and it summoned Cthulhu's drunken uncle Carlthulhu. This damaged reality and the Game Knight, named after his own show which literally nobody watched, got a map of the world to show him how to go back to the ocean. He then proceeded to go on a series of tedious fetch quests for the twin sisters TDS and Fetch K. West. This gave him the keys necessary to run the gauntlet of sub bosses before getting to the final boss, which was Jeb Kerman living in a pipe. This displeased the Game Knight, who opened a trap door and went back to his basement to wait for reality to unfuck itself. If you power level a bit early on the game becomes less tedious but yeah, in retrospect the combat of the game was pretty loving terrible. The game turned out to be just plain bad bad rather than good bad. Oh well! I learned a gently caress ton about games and on July 1st I had no idea how to make JRPGs but on August 1st I had a (quite bad, I'll admit) JRPG I can point to and say "I made that!" so I'd say the month was a success despite the lovely game.
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RickVoid posted:That misplaced reaction will never not be funny. If he'd just said "I think people should be able to do GPL, is that OK?" I'd probably have said it was fine. But he had to get all ad hominem, so I got a bit irritated. (I'd still consider him for the prize if he wanted, though.)
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SlightlyMadman posted:There is actually midi music that accompanies each program, but it's off by default because I'm not a monster. The button to toggle it is at the top of the page. Well that alters my score a bit!
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Subjunctive posted:If he'd just said "I think people should be able to do GPL, is that OK?" I'd probably have said it was fine. But he had to get all ad hominem, so I got a bit irritated. (I'd still consider him for the prize if he wanted, though.) And somebody got awfully quiet all the sudden... I can't believe that I had not made the subjunctive / mozilla connection before now. Pretty cool.
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poemdexter posted:SWAT: Freedom of Breach Yeah there is an end to the game - a boss fight (tucked away in a mostly rightwards direction from the starting point) and after that a rating screen where it gives you a ranking based on how many people you arrested (it's simplistic: you shout freeze! at them with the RMB and they either give up or shoot back) vs. how many people you gunned down without trying to negotiate with. It's not exactly very realistic when you play it as you kind of have to instantly forgive being shot at, but that's the intention of the game mechanics. edit: I fully admit that the level design really hurts my game and the bland walls and lack of direction work to hide the fun from the player. Here's a picture showing off more of Jo's awesome sprite work:  More screens here on my website Thanks to putting time into playing all of our games. These review shows are great for the sort of critique you'd get if you released a game to the public. What I've learned most from this is that instruction manuals need to be built into the game. Seems stupid to do otherwise in hindsight
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It's the unfortunate curse of Family Issues having taken away from planned development time. If you make it towards the end, the theme is practically entirely backloaded there as a big reveal, and it was intended to carry over and influence the rest of the story that was never implemented, after the climactic fight. Dadas would have taken over Gorging George's infrastructure and used it to promote a nihilistic religion for his personal benefit, the new PC that never got implemented would have led a party to reclaim the Core (Broadcasting Tower) for the use of all Grublands. Yes, that means Dadas would have been the end-boss.
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We're not going to do a second livestream this weekend for games 21-40 because we both have a sore throat thing and feel like poo poo. So the new plan is to just play through the games on our own (we're doing it right now) and finish the official judging. However, if anyone ~really~ wants to see us play their game, let me know and we can do it later this week. We'll already have completed judging your game, but you can still see our reactions or whatever.
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Polo-Rican posted:Okay the video should appear here: Missed most of this last Friday and just got around to watching you play our entry. Funnily enough, the entire intro sequence took maybe a few hours to model and animate with another few hours for music and creating the opening "cutscene" a few days before the deadline. The real reasons why the game part of our game was half complete are a bit more complex and don't have much relation to the time I put into it (although they do have a lot to do with priorities and time IMO).
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Polo-Rican posted:We're not going to do a second livestream this weekend for games 21-40 because we both have a sore throat thing and feel like poo poo. So the new plan is to just play through the games on our own (we're doing it right now) and finish the official judging. Do you have a plan for judging Public Access Wars since it's multiplayer? If you'd like - tell me when and I'll get a few people to play it so you can see how it works. Otherwise, there's a video of the gong show playing it at https://vimeo.com/102420455
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Heisenberg1276 posted:Do you have a plan for judging Public Access Wars since it's multiplayer? Everyone should give this a shot multiplayer if possible. It was a ton of fun.
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