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The New Racism: this is how the civil rights movement ends
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Aug 11, 2014 14:15
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Are people more openly racist than they were 20 years ago or are they just more racist? And how does it correlate to the economy (the one felt by proles, not the one defined by GDP)?
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Aug 11, 2014 14:47
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Radbot posted:Are people more openly racist than they were 20 years ago or are they just more racist? And how does it correlate to the economy (the one felt by proles, not the one defined by GDP)?
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Aug 11, 2014 14:57
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A lot of these people also have understood that you can't scream "niggeerrrsss". Yet, a of then really want to do that. Like the article mentioned and like mentioned before, a lot of local level politics by republicans used Obama to be the face of democrats, in other words using racism to vote against dems, yet making sure that no racial slurs are said out loud. Just things about big government and inner city youth etc. And then some of the people just did not get the memo of not yelling, and now they yell again.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:13
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I think that when it became very socially unpopular to be openly racist, rather than become less racist people just kept it to themselves or close acquaintances. Now that conservatives have decided that there is a war on whites, racism is over, etc and that anyone using the race card is just a baiter trying to shut down discussion, racists have decided that they are allowed to let their views come out into the mainstream again and not face criticism.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:15
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Radbot posted:Are people more openly racist than they were 20 years ago or are they just more racist? And how does it correlate to the economy (the one felt by proles, not the one defined by GDP)? Reminder that a white dude from Arkansas was called "the first black president" 20 years ago because he played the saxophone.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:20
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Radish posted:I think that when it became very socially unpopular to be openly racist, rather than become less racist people just kept it to themselves or close acquaintances. Now that conservatives have decided that there is a war on whites, racism is over, etc and that anyone using the race card is just a baiter trying to shut down discussion, racists have decided that they are allowed to let their views come out into the mainstream again and not face criticism. It seems like every so often somebody (intentionally or otherwise) tests the waters on admitting prejudice and gets enough pushback to keep others from coming out and saying it. Like whatshisname from the National Review with the thesis on how whites are just naturally smarter, or more recently Bundy getting in front of a camera and going off on those lazy goldurn blacks. One person gets the idea that they have some adequate justification for the racism and tries to come out with something heinous and when they get shouted down the rest of them hide it away again until it's been out of public thought for long enough that the cycle repeats.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:26
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Just a reminder that rich racists who funded the craziest most extreme reactions against the civil right movement, big tea party funders, and libertarian think tank backers are often the exact same people. And they also think they can quote MLK in support of their ideas now.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:34
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Ofaloaf posted:Part of it's got to be that it's just easier to see and read about racism, via the internet. We're also at the point that people are seeing an inflection point. It's a lot easier to be a quiet racist when you're the majority and going to stay there for the rest of your life. People start to get crazy when more evidence shows up they they'll be the rump in the next decade or so. Add to that the change in culture about race mixing (it was scandalous when I was in high school, but is quickly becoming a non-issue now) and it's pretty obvious that "white people" as a block are a lessening concern-- assuming that nobody else gets added into the club.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:35
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Someone posted an article recently where the idea was that in areas hit by the financial collapse hard racist groups were the ones to provide some sort of help to the people there when the government was flat footed. So you have a combination of conservative economic and social policies (reckless financial industry combined with slashing safety nets) screwing over populations and then the white supremacists move in to capitalize on the victims feelings of anger and resentment. It really feels planned out (and with the scions of the John Birch society running the libertarian and Tea Party movements I wouldn't be surprised) but I don't think the article went that far.
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Aug 11, 2014 15:40
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Aug 11, 2014 15:44
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Vahakyla posted:A lot of these people also have understood that you can't scream "niggeerrrsss". Yet, a of then really want to do that. Yes, but the problem is that they have all convinced themselves that if they're not wearing white hoods and burning crosses, it's not racist!
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Aug 11, 2014 16:01
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Radish posted:Someone posted an article recently where the idea was that in areas hit by the financial collapse hard racist groups were the ones to provide some sort of help to the people there when the government was flat footed. So you have a combination of conservative economic and social policies (reckless financial industry combined with slashing safety nets) screwing over populations and then the white supremacists move in to capitalize on the victims feelings of anger and resentment. It really feels planned out (and with the scions of the John Birch society running the libertarian and Tea Party movements I wouldn't be surprised) but I don't think the article went that far. I remember this one old election ad I saw. It had some politician promising a bunch of pretty drat populist stuff like support for social security, better healtchare, unions, and what have you. The one specific bit I remember was that he said he'd get blacktop roads for his constituents. It all sounded good until the end, where he said that if elected he'd work to keep black people away from our white schools, or something along those lines. I wish I could find it again, because it sums up that attitude really well.
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Aug 11, 2014 16:03
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Wanamingo posted:I remember this one old election ad I saw. It had some politician promising a bunch of pretty drat populist stuff like support for social security, better healtchare, unions, and what have you. The one specific bit I remember was that he said he'd get blacktop roads for his constituents. It all sounded good until the end, where he said that if elected he'd work to keep black people away from our white schools, or something along those lines. It's nothing new. People, and by people I mean all people all over the world, loving love social welfare programs as long as they're for their own ethnic group. The minute an "other" outgroup is perceived to benefit from "your" work the whole thing goes down the drain. It's a fact of human nature and it loving sucks.
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Aug 11, 2014 16:07
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How are u posted:It's nothing new. People, and by people I mean all people all over the world, loving love social welfare programs as long as they're for their own ethnic group. The minute an "other" outgroup is perceived to benefit from "your" work the whole thing goes down the drain. No it's just a learned behavior and it can be unlearned, but it's really hard to unlearn it when you're poor or working class and are scared that other people might get some of the support that you and your family need to survive. Of course that doesn't justify it but it's extremely difficult to fight against a self-perpetuating mindset that's reinforced by economic inequality and a lack of funding for public education.
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Aug 11, 2014 16:26
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Wanamingo posted:I remember this one old election ad I saw. It had some politician promising a bunch of pretty drat populist stuff like support for social security, better healtchare, unions, and what have you. The one specific bit I remember was that he said he'd get blacktop roads for his constituents. It all sounded good until the end, where he said that if elected he'd work to keep black people away from our white schools, or something along those lines. Not exactly. I remember the flier you are talking about. IIRC it didn't say anything about segregation, but when you got to the end it was a flier for the George Wallace gubernatorial campaign. But yeah, strong populist pitch of social programs, infrastructure building, and high paying jobs. Then you got to the end and saw who was pitching it and knew what an rear end in a top hat he was. I remember because it was a thing of goons thinking "black top roads" was racist when really it was just a reference to expanding the national highway project down there and replacing dirt and gravel with paved streets. Anyways, here's the real thing you need to remember. The ‘Real Racists’ Have Always Worn Suits quote:This week we’ve commemorated the fiftieth anniversary of the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the monumental piece of legislation aimed at outlawing discrimination based on race. A three-day-long “civil rights summit” was organized at the LBJ Presidential Library in Austin, Texas, where many past and present activists and politicians spoke on the legacy of the Civil Rights Act. EDIT: Found the flier. Not segregation, it was the Freedom Riders he was bashing 
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Aug 11, 2014 16:32
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Watch Sarah Palin have a stroke on camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ogJjmgpLM
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Aug 11, 2014 16:57
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zoux posted:Watch Sarah Palin have a stroke on camera: Already saw it here, but it's worth rewatching because it's amazing. Also be sure to note national treasure Joementum: Joementum posted:That video seems to quit about halfway through. 
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Aug 11, 2014 17:02
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We could just have the candidate's base create their songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx5FFFDfAdY
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Aug 11, 2014 17:07
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Mo_Steel posted:Already saw it here, but it's worth rewatching because it's amazing. Sorry I don't read weekend USPol thread.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:09
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zoux posted:Watch Sarah Palin have a stroke on camera: What is even happening here? What is this from? It has to be an outtake.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:31
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It's from her premium internet TV channel.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:32
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zoux posted:It's from her premium internet TV channel.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:45
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Yeah this article is depressing, but it's pretty much the same thing that happened here in Florida.
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Aug 11, 2014 17:51
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Samurai Sanders posted:Any idea how many subscribers she has? Multiply the Freep population by 1.488.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:00
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Rocks posted:What is even happening here? What is this from? It has to be an outtake. Rough transcript: (Sen. Elizabeth Warren speaking): Fast food workers deserve a livable wage and that means when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them. FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SARAH PALIN: We believe...wait...I thought...fast food joints...(hand motion gesturing with thumb backwards over shoulder). Mrhh. Don't you guys think that, they're like, of the devil, or something? That's what...liberals, you wanna send those, evil, employees who would dare work at a fast food joint that ya just don't believe in...thought you wanted to...I dunno, send them to Purgatory or somethin'...(smiles)...so they all go vegan! And uh...wages and picket lines...I dunno, they're not often discussed in Purgatory, are they? I dunno, why are you even worried about fast food wages, you guys... (incoherent mumbling) Well, we believe, in America, where minimum wage jobs, they're not lifetime gigs, they're stepping stones! [Transcript Ends]
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Aug 11, 2014 18:06
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah this article is depressing, but it's pretty much the same thing that happened here in Florida. Yeah, it is insightful though in linking together exactly how all the power plays are tied in through history. I saw on twitter that the author originally wanted to term it "the end of the second reconstruction" instead of the title it got, which seems more appropriate to me.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:15
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Stepping stones to what? Not starving? Being able to feed your family? Does she not know what work is for? People working full time at a fast food joint aren't looking for opportunity. They're looking to pay bills. It's not like there wouldn't be incentive to advance above entry level if suddenly you didn't need to do so merely to survive independently, and who the gently caress are we to condemn people without ambition to misery, anyways? Sarah Palin is literally monstrous. I know you're not supposed to get mad on the Internet, but that is infuriating.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:18
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Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. It's not a skilled position, it shouldn't get skilled pay. It should be reserved for teens who need some spending money, not single moms or whatever.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:19
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Amergin posted:Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. Because a burger flipping job is not a stepping stone for people who are working there as a career, which is a thing that happens
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Aug 11, 2014 18:19
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Amergin posted:Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. Which IRC channel do I join to place bets on the length of this derail and number of posters that still take your gimmick seriously?
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Aug 11, 2014 18:20
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bobtheconqueror posted:Stepping stones to what? Not starving? Being able to feed your family? Does she not know what work is for? People working full time at a fast food joint aren't looking for opportunity. They're looking to pay bills. It's not like there wouldn't be incentive to advance above entry level if suddenly you didn't need to do so merely to survive independently, and who the gently caress are we to condemn people without ambition to misery, anyways? Yeah, not sure where they are supposed to "step" to? Its not like its a job that is limited to people doing it to pay their way through college. A lot of people get stuck there permanently.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:21
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Amergin posted:Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. I missed you buddy
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Aug 11, 2014 18:22
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Amergin posted:Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. I know the gimmick, but let's extend this line of thinking just a bit: why would a single mom, or an individual with skills choose to work at "a fast food burger flipping job"? Can you think of any externalities influencing a person's choice to do that?
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Aug 11, 2014 18:22
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Amergin posted:It's not a skilled position, it shouldn't get skilled pay. So only those of a certain skill level deserve to live (humanely)?
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Aug 11, 2014 18:24
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Because a burger flipping job is not a stepping stone for people who are working there as a career, which is a thing that happens But why should a person who settles for a  career in burger flipping get paid the same as someone whose career requires more skill and/or experience?
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Aug 11, 2014 18:24
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hobbesmaster posted:Which IRC channel do I join to place bets on the length of this derail and number of posters that still take your gimmick seriously? Synirc #poligoons Not to be confused with #polygoons, which is full of very friendly people, but doesn't discuss politics very much
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Aug 11, 2014 18:26
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Amergin posted:But why should a person who settles for a It's better for the economy
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Aug 11, 2014 18:27
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Amergin posted:Someone explain to me how a fast food burger flipping job is not a stepping stone and thus needs a "livable" wage. I agree, really I think we should give all mothers a stipend, being that they are raising the next generation. Also good to see my favorite troll back.
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Aug 11, 2014 18:27
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Everyone should get paid more and the 1% should have their wealth expropriated to the extent necessary to give everyone a guaranteed living wage, the end.
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