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SirKibbles posted:Ah yeah it's totally illegal but if you can't enforce a law it might as well not exist. I think technically they can get away with it if they declare it a danger zone. Here's a nice little vine of cops pointing guns at civs taking video of them in Ferguson: https://vine.co/v/MYZmwD9Dqhu Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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How bad was/is the rioting in Ferguson? Lots of people on twitter and news comments complaining about "urbans" looting, rioting, and giving the police good reason to start using gas and bullets along with some straight up white supremacist stuff which is really creepy although not surprising. All the pictures I've seen don't really indicate that much.
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All the video just seems to be police wandering around pointing guns at people with signs or just standing around.
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Here's a great article to throw at riot shamers. http://prisonbooks.info/2014/08/11/hey-step-back-with-the-riot-shaming/
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SirKibbles posted:Ah yeah it's totally illegal but if you can't enforce a law it might as well not exist. I think technically they can get away with it if they declare it a danger zone. If it's declared a danger zone, they don't have to allow any press in, but they cannot make any press already there leave.
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Radish posted:How bad was/is the rioting in Ferguson? Lots of people on twitter and news comments complaining about "urbans" looting, rioting, and giving the police good reason to start using gas and bullets along with some straight up white supremacist stuff which is really creepy although not surprising. All the pictures I've seen don't really indicate that much. Freep's convinced it's RaHoWa. Then again, they think that when they see anyone walking around while not white.
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Chuck Todd is going to be the new Meet the Press moderator. This job could also be done by a broomstick wearing a wig stuck in a bucket of sand.
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RevKrule posted:Here's a great article to throw at riot shamers. No, that article is actually poo poo and takes a bunch of generic left-wing talking points and inserts "Fergson" into them. quote:2. “DESTROYING ‘YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD’ WON’T HELP.” gently caress you. You've never heard of Ferguson before this week and you presume to tell us what it's like. Ferguson isn't 1965 Watts. It isn't East St. Louis. It isn't even Normandy or Kinloch, two of the adjacent communities. Ferguson is not the loving ghetto, it's a blue collar town (median income $37k) with a diverse (1/3 white 2/3 black) population that generally keeps neat clean streets and houses. There was plenty of "riot shaming" from the people who actually live in this community and do have ownership of their neighborhoods and who don't want legitimate anger at police brutality to be expressed by destroying the community so gently caress off. There were black kids trapped inside that burning gas station. They escaped, luckily but there is no justification for terrorizing hardworking neighborhood kids who just wanted a decent job.
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Amergin posted:That's my point - you're trying to eliminate welfare by forcing businesses to pay higher wages to cover what might happen to their employees, but you'll never eliminate welfare because something more expensive could always happen. There'll always be a 1% of cases you can't cover, and in the interim you'll be cutting a whole host of jobs because each employee now costs the employer twice as much to retain. So it's a good thing that non-profits and governments subsidize corporations pay sub-living-wages? Amergin posted:And everyone else here is assuming the profits will rise enough to cover it. These assumptions seem to be well-grounded in empiricism. This is a thing that's happened before, you know, and it worked out without massive inflation or corporations falling apart. Unless you're going to make a really stupid argument like blaming the 2008 recession on the 2007 minimum wage hikes, there's not a lot of ground here for you. Amergin posted:I'm arguing against the notion that the new income will flow right to the companies through increased purchases and therefore offset the new, much higher labor costs. In reality yes, spending may increase a little bit, but likely not enough to offset the wage increase/GMI. Meanwhile most poor folks will probably save much of their new income for bigger purchases like new apartments/houses, new cars, college for their kids, etc. Um, first of all I'd point out that folks saving their money in the short-term to spend it on cars or mortgages a year or two down the line is still ultimately them spending the money and still stimulates the economy. Amergin posted:Basically we'd be shoving a bunch of people into a new expanded middle class and the middle class doesn't spend that much. One of the biggest drags on the recovery from this recession has been that people are saving more of their money. Why will that all of a sudden not hold true? I think many of you overestimate the increase in demand from a GMI. You're doing the math on this wrong - the correct comparison is the MPC of someone making $20K with the MPC of their company's owner(s) who would be driven bankrupt by even the slightest rise in labor costs. You're seeming to imply that there's this sudden fall-off in MPC where it's high if you're in poverty but then collapses to be flat and low between $20K and $20M in income, which is absurd. Also LOL at the idea that $20K is middle class.
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I like how people will immediately draw conclusions off of what the internet says despite not living in St. Louis and not actually being in Ferguson at the time of the riots.
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Neo Duckberg posted:I like how people will immediately draw conclusions off of what the internet says despite not living in St. Louis and not actually being in Ferguson at the time of the riots. But the internet totally puts us in their shoes today.
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Zwabu posted:You mean the 1860's, right? Uh, yes. That was a typo. Definitely.
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Neo Duckberg posted:I like how people will immediately draw conclusions off of what the internet says despite not living in St. Louis and not actually being in Ferguson at the time of the riots. Well there are a lot of black people and they're angry so that's all I, a [left wing resistance blogger/conservative racist] need to know to draw a complete picture.
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Radish posted:How bad was/is the rioting in Ferguson? Lots of people on twitter and news comments complaining about "urbans" looting, rioting, and giving the police good reason to start using gas and bullets along with some straight up white supremacist stuff which is really creepy although not surprising. All the pictures I've seen don't really indicate that much. Like someone else said, Sunday was the actual riot, and that was limited to a handful of stores in Ferguson. Strange how the media didn't cover the shooting before the riot and conveniently ignored the community volunteering to clean up some of the destroyed stores the day after (https://twitter.com/G5TheJett/status/499020740650229763). Last night was a ridiculously overhanded response by the STL and Ferguson PD to a bunch of peaceful protests and an attempt by the community to have a candlelight vigil for Mike Brown, the kid who got murdered for jaywalking and daring to respond to a cop in any way that isn't "yes sir" or "no sir". The police constantly adopted aggressive posture towards the protesters during the day, overreacted to a fight at the STL Galleria with 25 cop cars, shut down Washington University in STL due to "threats of violence" (despite Ferguson being nowhere near WU) and then once it became apparent that the community intended to protest and/or march into the evening, went into full blown riot protocol with all their best paramilitary equipment and tactics, culminating in firing rubber bullets into crowds, pointing loaded weapons at unarmed citizens (including an STL alderman), shooting tear gas into backyards and porches, throwing a pregnant woman into the street, and violating the rights of media. They justified this by saying they were trying to disperse a "violent crowd", but they did so by basically shutting down every road in and out of Ferguson, essentially trapping anyone who had gone there to protest (or who was there just to work) and then hounding them throughout the night. The outside media coverage has been piss poor so far, so if you're interested in what's actually happening I'd recommend following these Twitter accounts: https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench (Alderman of 21st ward in STL, has been following and documenting this firsthand basically since a few hours after Mike Brown was murdered.) https://twitter.com/Vandalyzm (local STL musician, has also been following and documenting on the ground, lots of info about community responses and planning.) https://twitter.com/BrittanyNoble (STL reporter, has better access and insight than most others) http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri (So far the only eyewitness account of what actually happened between Mike Brown and the police on the day he was murdered. Witness has yet to be interviewed or questioned by police.) This is honestly a loving crazy situation all the way around, but it's 100% to be expected given the racial bias in the criminal justice and/or police systems here, and how much the police have been allowed to militarize in the past decade, from getting MRAPs to straight up recruiting huge amounts of their personnel right out of the Armed Forces. I keep hoping for Obama to say SOMETHING about this, but I won't hold my breath. The fact that this is how communities of color are treated over legitimate reactions to injustice while dickheads like Clive Bundy get kid gloves is infuriating, to say the least. It has been interesting from a couple of points, specifically in that Anonymous has gotten involved (doxxing the Ferguson police chief, downing the Ferguson city email system through DoS attacks), and that protesters from Egypt and other places are communicating with the Ferguson community to give advice on how to handle aggressive policing, neutralize tear gas, etc. Kind of amazing, that last part. Edit: And FPD just refused to identify the officer, currently on paid leave, who murdered Mike Brown, despite promising to do so yesterday. Incredible. Anonymous is trying to doxx him too now: https://twitter.com/OpFerguson. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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I love when riot shamers show up to tut tut about store fronts. Thousands of people show up to make a point about police brutality, a couple of people around the corner rob a store and it's the entire protest's fault. Welp, better not ever protest anything then
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zoux posted:Chuck Todd is going to be the new Meet the Press moderator. This job could also be done by a broomstick wearing a wig stuck in a bucket of sand.
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zen death robot posted:The media coverage was piss poor last night because the police kicked the media out of the area after tear gassing them during the 10pm newscast. That was a pretty ballsy move imo, because they didn't seem too interested in leaving until they gassed. The PD was also threatening people standing outside their homes on their own property with assault rifles, no one was really sure why that was happening during the broadcast. Keep in mind the reporters are actually trying to keep neutral and just stating what they know when they're out there, surprisingly. This sort of thing is really scary. Like what do you do when the police is actively suppressing media coverage of their possibly illegal activities and the justice system does nothing about it?
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ReindeerF posted:What happened with David Gregory? Don't tell me that ratings were down and he sucked at the job because IT'S A SUNDAY MORNING POLITICAL TALK SHOW AND RATINGS ARE ALWAYS DOWN AND THEY ALL SUCK AT THE JOB - IT'S THE NATURE OF THE JOB. If they wanted to get away from "BOTH SIDES DO IT" they sure picked the wrong guy.
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Spun Dog posted:If they wanted to get away from "BOTH SIDES DO IT" they sure picked the wrong guy. That would be an improvement over the craziest of the crazy Tea Party fucks go on the Sunday morning shows and say nutball things and the moderator just sits there and lets them say it all basically unchallenged.
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zoux posted:That would be an improvement over the craziest of the crazy Tea Party fucks go on the Sunday morning shows and say nutball things and the moderator just sits there and lets them say it all basically unchallenged. Yeah, Chuck's the guy that will get to the bottom of things....oh wait... http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-todd-it-s-not-media-s-job-to-correct-gop-s-obamacare-falsehoods-video
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Spun Dog posted:yeah, Chuck's the guy that will get to the bottom of things....oh wait... Odd, some people might say that's exactly the media's job. The very last shred of my respect for and faith in American journalism was torn away after I watched Oliver's segment last week about how cheerfully the editors and publishers at major news outlets were dissolving the wall between advertising and editorial.
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zoux posted:Odd, some people might say that's exactly the media's job. That wasn't quite the last shred. If you really want to get your faith to absolute zero, watch this Daily Show bit about clickbait.
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Not to mention that Jon Stewart blames the genocide of Palestinians on Hamas and thinks that America weaponmakers only sell weapons to certain countries instead of anyone who has the money to buy them. He's right about 99% of all the other stuff he says on TDS but that was some really stupid I/P poo poo.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Not to mention that Jon Stewart blames the genocide of Palestinians on Hamas and thinks that America weaponmakers only sell weapons to certain countries instead of anyone who has the money to buy them. He's right about 99% of all the other stuff he says on TDS but that was some really stupid I/P poo poo. I think he was pretty far off the mark on the Blackwater CEO as well, but as far as a news source for the next generation if it's not Democracy Now then The Daily Show is a good second choice.
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ReindeerF posted:What happened with David Gregory? Don't tell me that ratings were down and he sucked at the job because IT'S A SUNDAY MORNING POLITICAL TALK SHOW AND RATINGS ARE ALWAYS DOWN AND THEY ALL SUCK AT THE JOB - IT'S THE NATURE OF THE JOB. MTP used to have the best ratings by a wide margin. Sure they all suck at their job, but Gregory really, really loving sucks. I do miss Christiane Amanpour on This Week, she really added a great world news focus to the show. Of course, her rating tanked because she was trying to do decent news rather, so she was gone after two months.
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The executive producer of ABC's This Week is 31, if that makes anyone feel ancient. He's apparently scored a ratings coup this year. But I've always loved George Stephanopoulos. He's adorable.
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Radish posted:This sort of thing is really scary. Like what do you do when the police is actively suppressing media coverage of their possibly illegal activities and the justice system does nothing about it? I mean I'm not in support of what the police are doing, but the "justice system" isn't "doing nothing about it". The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation, the St. Louis County police are investigating, and DOJ is monitoring the situation.
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It's weird that people would get pissed off when a cop shoots an unarmed suspect who's actually trying to surrender to the egregious crime of walking down the street. What's wrong with these uppity animals?Rap Record Hoarder posted:Ferguson, Missouri[/url] God drat. Is there a dedicated thread on this? Radish posted:This sort of thing is really scary. Like what do you do when the police is actively suppressing media coverage of their possibly illegal activities and the justice system does nothing about it? Record it on your phone and post it on the internet? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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haveblue posted:That wasn't quite the last shred. If you really want to get your faith to absolute zero, watch this Daily Show bit about clickbait. Likewise, Buzzfeed's worth is now three times that of the Washington Post.
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BiggerBoat posted:It's weird that people would get pissed off when a cop shoots an unarmed suspect who's actually trying to surrender to the egregious crime of walking down the street. What's wrong with these uppity animals? If you're interested in recording police injustice, don't do it on your phone. Police have worked with mobile phone companies to deploy hardware that will render the camera inoperable in "danger zone" areas. Use dedicated video cameras and still photo cameras to document
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bassguitarhero posted:If you're interested in recording police injustice, don't do it on your phone. Police have worked with mobile phone companies to deploy hardware that will render the camera inoperable in "danger zone" areas. Use dedicated video cameras and still photo cameras to document I'd like to read more about this if you have any links. Because that's pretty hosed up. I can't imagine any possible justification for that other than trying to hide their crimes. There's always the nebulous "terror", but that's getting really worn out and would be a stretch anyway. ReidRansom fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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Sub Par posted:I mean I'm not in support of what the police are doing, but the "justice system" isn't "doing nothing about it". The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation, the St. Louis County police are investigating, and DOJ is monitoring the situation. I will be surprised if this results in anything other than a costly lawsuit for the city regardless of if the DOJ or the FBI or whoever is watching. Pleasantly so however so let's hope!
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ReidRansom posted:I'd like to read more about this if you have any links. patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm&r=36&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=(20120828.PD.+AND+Apple.ASNM.)&OS=ISD/20120828+AND+AN/Apple&RS=(ISD/20120828+AND+AN/Apple) quote:Abstract quote:Covert police or government operations may require complete "blackout" conditions. etc etc. IIRC it will affect the phone even on airplane mode because it's still sending/receiving basic signals
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BiggerBoat posted:Record it on your phone and post it on the internet? >
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JT Jag posted:You record something compromising the police did on your phone and post it on the internet. It is traced back to you, and police officers from that point on start pulling you over at a disproportionate rate, occasionally threatening you to "get out of our town". What do you do next? Embrace the Truman Show way of life and record yourself 24/7.
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BiggerBoat posted:It's weird that people would get pissed off when a cop shoots an unarmed suspect who's actually trying to surrender to the egregious crime of walking down the street. What's wrong with these uppity animals? Their initial story of how it went down - the Brown fought, shoved one of the cops into the car and the officer, fearing for himself and lying prone drew and shot, is contradicted by witnesses, forensics, and the after the fact photos. The officer who shot immediately left the scene They still have not released the name of the officer who shot Brown In the past 14 years Ferguson PD has had numerous complaints about situations exactly like this - shooting people for not immediately complying - and has been investigated by county, state, and federal agencies for racial abuse and police misconduct. That's why the larger organizations were all over this as soon as it happened and have been running the press conferences and investigations. If you want to see how incredibly out of hand this is with the police militarization try this http://mic.com/articles/95998/days-after-michael-brown-s-death-ferguson-looks-like-a-war-zone bassguitarhero posted:If you're interested in recording police injustice, don't do it on your phone. Police have worked with mobile phone companies to deploy hardware that will render the camera inoperable in "danger zone" areas. Use dedicated video cameras and still photo cameras to document
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