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Cease to Hope posted:Not to interrupt, but something's going on: Goddamn finally.
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Someone who got hit with some kind of police round last night. Looks like it loving sucks big time. Source: http://instagram.com/p/rr8yr8PjIl/
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Aug 14, 2014 23:20
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Holy poo poo, it almost looks like they're interested in not shooting every motherfucker in town, the way they're talking to people on their terms and acknowledging greivances and poo poo.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:21
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XK posted:Someone who got hit with some kind of police round last night. Looks like it loving sucks big time. I saw some people on Tumblr talking about it. Apparently she's a pastor who was part of a group praying near a church when the police basically ambushed them and started shooting. That's probably a close range shot from rubber buckshot.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:22
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Spiritus Nox posted:Holy poo poo, it almost looks like they're interested in not shooting every motherfucker in town, the way they're talking to people on their terms and acknowledging greivances and poo poo. It's pretty telling that this is being met with amazement. 'murica.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:22
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Zeitgueist posted:Either way it's a clever-rear end method of de-escalating. Definitely. Even if it was coordinated with state/federal whoever took over the operation, it's a smart move. If it was organic, even better.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:23
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This is pretty much "deescalating protests 101" and its what police do all the time with other protesters. There's no excuse besides incompetence for why the County PD hasn't been using these tactics since the beginning. Like instead of just announcing "don't protest after dark or else...but there's not a curfew!" You meet with the protest and community leaders and explain your concerns about safety and stretched resources across the county. Ask them to wind down protesting towards dark or congregate in a well lit place or whatever.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:27
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chitoryu12 posted:I saw some people on Tumblr talking about it. Apparently she's a pastor who was part of a group praying near a church when the police basically ambushed them and started shooting. That's probably a close range shot from rubber buckshot. Not just that, but there's a picture of her standing in front of police barricades, apparently trying to calm people down. I'll see if I can find it again. re the police and the march, the police are marching alongside everyone else. https://twitter.com/Lussenpop/status/500043697795661824 https://twitter.com/Lussenpop/status/500045329820291073 https://twitter.com/PDPJ/status/500045248941522944 e: and Johnson is in the lead. https://twitter.com/JustinGlawe/status/500046384612261888 https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/500046501477769216 Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Radbot posted:Why are racists seemingly unable to understand the difference between state/police violence visited upon black people, and black-on-black or black-on-white crime? There's a big loving difference - one of them we can actually do something about. Oh, they can understand the difference if they want to. Trabisnikof posted:I mean, that's how you deescalate a situation, you treat people like human beings and talk to them face to face. Basically the black cops are doing what the white cops should have been trying in the first place. It's almost as if the black cops see the proper relationship between black communities and law enforcement differently than white. Less adversarial, for some reason. zen death robot posted:For the record the state took control of the St. Louis City PD for years because of problems there, and they only recently got local control of it back from the state. I wouldn't be too shocked if the state didn't take control of the County PD as well after all this mess as part of a longer-term remediation. There's been a lot of problems with how County PD has run things in the past in certain precincts (hint: it's basically the same areas that you're seeing here). From a few pages back, but the state had control of the St Louis Police since the Civil War. The state government had secessionist leanings whereas St. Louis was strongly Unionist (and thanks to the huge influx of German immigrants, vehemently abolitionist). So, the state passed a bill taking control of the St Louis Police to try and get Confederate control of the St Louis Arsenal. St Louis wasn't having any of that and the governor was basically powerless to enforce any secessionist laws but the police order was legally passed and so we didn't get local control back until it was voted in last year.
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Zeitgueist posted:Either way it's a clever-rear end method of de-escalating. Who would have thought that simply a group of police officers in regular uniforms who are willing to actually listen to the people and not immediately point high caliber firearms at them would actually keep tempers down. If only such tactics existed in the world of yesterday.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:28
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Zeitgueist posted:It's pretty telling that this is being met with amazement. To be fair, I think the coverage from last night might have shaken people more than we were afraid it might. Some fairly conservative (IE were happy Zimmerman didn't get convicted) people I know from football blogs were tweeting some pretty strong condemnation of the police's tactics - for whatever that anecdote is worth. Has an American riot ever been covered so thoroughly via streams and vines and poo poo before? Of course, we'll have to see how things look in a week or month or year.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:29
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XK posted:Someone who got hit with some kind of police round last night. Looks like it loving sucks big time. And here's the story, which I just found. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-pastor-shot-police-rubber-bullet_n_5678973.html quote:Renita Lamkin, an African Methodist Episcopal church pastor, told The Huffington Post that she was "standing in the middle of the street, with people behind me, and the police were in front of me." Lamkin said she was attempting to mediate between police and protesters the demonstration and told the police, "They're moving, they're leaving."
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Aug 14, 2014 23:31
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Trabisnikof posted:Hell, I bet even loving LAPD would have handled this poo poo in a calmer and more restrained manner. Maybe, but not by much. They killed an unarmed black man this week just to keep up with the Jones's.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:32
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Big rear end line of protestors marching across west Florissant escorted by state troopers
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Aug 14, 2014 23:33
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Trabisnikof posted:Hell, I bet even loving LAPD would have handled this poo poo in a calmer and more restrained manner. And THAT'S saying something.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:34
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XK posted:Someone who got hit with some kind of police round last night. Looks like it loving sucks big time. Nice gang sign, I'll bet she was in the same one was Michael Brown.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:35
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XK posted:Someone who got hit with some kind of police round last night. Looks like it loving sucks big time. Funny, in the old west people who did this kind of poo poo, and shot unarmed kids in the back, would be hung from a tree by the town. Today they are held up as heroes by a large segment of the country.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:35
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beatlegs posted:Funny, in the old west people who did this kind of poo poo, and shot unarmed kids in the back, would be hung from a tree by the town. Today they are held up as heroes by a large segment of the country. Only if the victim was a "dangerous"
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Aug 14, 2014 23:35
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chitoryu12 posted:Apparently she's a pastor who was part of a group praying near a church when the police basically ambushed them and started shooting. That's probably a close range shot from rubber buckshot. When a mixed congregation of Christians praying near a church get shot at by cops for 'protesting' you know we've entered a new chapter in "hosed Up Things Cops Do To People".
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Aug 14, 2014 23:36
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Live streaming of the march in Ferguson on Fox 2 Now
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beatlegs posted:Funny, in the old west people who did this kind of poo poo, and shot unarmed kids in the back, would be hung from a tree by the town. Today they are held up as heroes by a large segment of the country. Oh yeah the old west was big on racial equality.
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This is what the police cordon looks like now. Picture by Wesley Lowery of Wapo: Apparently they're marching to Canfield, where Brown was shot People are saying Capt. Johnson is hugging people and shaking hands, talking about growing up there https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/500048667425128449 https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/500048780188979201/photo/1 Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 23:37
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Nonsense posted:At the same time that it is black people's fault for the escalation in violence in race relations, it is also their fault because ERIC HOLDER, Representative of All Blacks, is institutionalized racism personified because he baits innocent white racists into committing egregious acts. White people say that Black people, Muslims, etc are supposed to be constantly apologizing for whatever random poo poo someone else does or they are hypocrites or sympathizers with terrorists but you will never hear a white conservative apologize when some caucasian guy blows up an apportion clinic, shoot up some place, try and have an armed stand off with the feds, steal money via white collar crime, say that black people would be happier under Jim Crow, kill a gay person, and so on and so on.
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So loving happy to hear about protestors being ESCORTED by the police. That's how you loving do it! Protect their rights! Holy poo poo.
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But you do have a pile of white people with white guilt apologizing for white crimes committed by white people.
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Captain Johnson is being a loving stand-up guy right now. Seriously, it's so great to see all this after last night's shitshow.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:43
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Rollofthedice posted:Captain Johnson is being a loving stand-up guy right now. Seriously, it's so great to see all this after last night's shitshow. My thoughts exactly
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Aug 14, 2014 23:44
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Radish posted:White people say that Black people, Muslims, etc are supposed to be constantly apologizing for whatever random poo poo someone else does or they are hypocrites or sympathizers with terrorists but you will never hear a white conservative apologize when some caucasian guy blows up an apportion clinic, shoot up some place, try and have an armed stand off with the feds, steal money via white collar crime, say that black people would be happier under Jim Crow, kill a gay person, and so on and so on. That's because white conservatives sympathize with white terrorists and killers in exactly the same way that they accuse muslims of being sympathetic with muslim terrorists. They just assume everyone thinks like they do, which is why they're constantly terrified of becoming a minority or letting gay people have rights--because in their crazy minds that means the gays will treat them just like they've treated the gays and it will be Jim Crow against whitey because that's what they would do.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:46
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 Unrelated but I feel we can all benefit from this photo right now. Things seem to be on the upswing with protesters being escorted but the chances of the murderer being convicted are slim to none.
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AngrySpork posted:My thoughts exactly Listening to his interview right now, he's definitely a standup guy and this is how they should have reacted on day 1.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:47
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Rollofthedice posted:Captain Johnson is being a loving stand-up guy right now. Seriously, it's so great to see all this after last night's shitshow. Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark.
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This is how Johnson is handling things https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/500049827015979008 https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/500049494780960768 https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/500049195827724288 KMOV should have news covering the march on soon. Here's a stream for anyone out of town. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Aug 14, 2014 |
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Aug 14, 2014 23:48
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chairface posted:Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark. I might eat this comment, but this is a wrong time for this thread to be cynical as gently caress.
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Jack Gladney posted:Twitter is such a poo poo way of communicating anything important. It makes everything real seem like a snappy quip. Twitter is the primary way this entire issue has been communicated for the last week. It's holding its own at the platform. The lower class and disenfranchised have to voice their problems that would otherwise be unavailable through mainstream media. So no, Twitter owns.
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chairface posted:Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark. At this point I don't think we need to be afraid of that. Cooler heads are well aware that the state is now the laughing stock of the country and are going to work to change that. We may not see a response to the shooting itself in as timely a manner as we'd like or as is deserved, but the worst is probably over.
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chairface posted:Yeah let's see what happens when everyone doesn't go home nicely after dark. Having a police force out who showed sympathy to the protesters during the day and aren't geared up like they're about to enter Fallujah will probably make the after-dark protests a lot calmer.
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